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Umber said:
Can they want to disobey Vulkan?
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An attendant may not injure Vulkan being or, through inaction, allow Vulkan to come to harm.
An attendant must obey orders given to it by Vulkan except where such orders would conflict with the First Law.
An attendant must protect its own existence as long as such protection does not conflict with the First or Second Law.

Otherwise, they have free will.
 
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Normal dude said:
An attendant may not injure Vulkan being or, through inaction, allow a human being to come to harm.
An attendant must obey orders given to it by Vulkan except where such orders would conflict with the First Law.
An attendant must protect its own existence as long as such protection does not conflict with the First or Second Law.

Otherwise, they have free will.
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But can they want to break one of the laws? I am not asking if they are capable of doing so, I want to know if the laws define their desires as sapient creatures or if they are compelled to follow them through by some sort of foreign enchantment that supersedes their free will and own personal thoughts?


P.S. Currently, Vulcan cannot order his attendants to not help humans unless he orders them to actively hurt them.
(The Second Law states that the Attendants have to obey all his orders unless they conflict with the First Law and the First Law states that the Attendants cannot harm a human being through inaction)

It means that they can't let a prisoner be tortured or killed unless they are the ones to torcher or kill them. I find the morality here amusing,

Extrapolating their inability to not to harm a human by inactivity to the logical extreme, has... consequences.
The Attendants could prevent a lot of human beings from starving, disease (maybe), being mugged, killed or harmed in a mutiple of other ways.
They would have to constantly do charity and police work to prevent the above because of the First Law.

Alternatively, In order to prevent themselves from allowing a 'human being to come to harm through inaction', they could kill all the humans as they are allowed to actively harm them and dead humans can't hurt.*
Though they would have to collaborate on their crusade because if they don't they would have to stop each other from butchering the humans.

*Possibly, in the 'Land beyond Life' they can hurt, but the Attendants can't get there... unless they die... and if they go to the afterlife upon death.


Sorry about the long post, I find this sort of thing interesting.

You know, I kinda want this be what happened when Vulkcan first made them. It would have been a complete and utter disaster. They would have to be all destroyed (or captured and reprogrammed) before they killed off all the humans (humans would probably be able to beat them by themselves, to be honest).

Though that wouldn't make too much sense, if they all started to leave his forges he would simply stop them and see what is wrong with them, but if some managed to escape on the other hand...
 
The Shining Man said:
But their magical, not robots, so they could bend to all of Vulkan’s thoughts, so they only do what he expects of them
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They could, but they don't. (Not right now at least.)

They obey a modified version of the three Laws of Robotics, their no mention of a convenient 'bend to all of Vulkan's thoughts' thing.

Besides, them being magic doesn't change much. There is Clark's Third Law of Magic after all: "Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic."

I mean, in the future we could have tech that scans someone's brain and creates an AI that does only what the scanned person would want it to. We'll make functioning AI far before that though.
 
Umber said:
But can they want to break one of the laws? I am not asking if they are capable of doing so, I want to know if the laws define their desires as sapient creatures or if they are compelled to follow them through by some sort of foreign enchantment that supersedes their free will and own personal thoughts?


P.S. Currently, Vulcan cannot order his attendants to not help humans unless he orders them to actively hurt them.
(The Second Law states that the Attendants have to obey all his orders unless they conflict with the First Law and the First Law states that the Attendants cannot harm a human being through inaction)

It means that they can't let a prisoner be tortured or killed unless they are the ones to torcher or kill them. I find the morality here amusing,

Extrapolating their inability to not to harm a human by inactivity to the logical extreme, has... consequences.
The Attendants could prevent a lot of human beings from starving, disease (maybe), being mugged, killed or harmed in a mutiple of other ways.
They would have to constantly do charity and police work to prevent the above because of the First Law.

Alternatively, In order to prevent themselves from allowing a 'human being to come to harm through inaction', they could kill all the humans as they are allowed to actively harm them and dead humans can't hurt.*
Though they would have to collaborate on their crusade because if they don't they would have to stop each other from butchering the humans.

*Possibly, in the 'Land beyond Life' they can hurt, but the Attendants can't get there... unless they die... and if they go to the afterlife upon death.


Sorry about the long post, I find this sort of thing interesting.

You know, I kinda want this be what happened when Vulkcan first made them. It would have been a complete and utter disaster. They would have to be all destroyed (or captured and reprogrammed) before they killed off all the humans (humans would probably be able to beat them by themselves, to be honest).

Though that wouldn't make too much sense, if they all started to leave his forges he would simply stop them and see what is wrong with them, but if some managed to escape on the other hand...
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I just copied the laws of robotics and changed human to vulkan, though I apparently missed a few. And yes their very personality and thoughts are defined by those rules so they can't want or even conceptualize breaking them
 
Ariel Ariel I was wondering since you based your characters of pandora, and I based my character off Hephaestus. I was wondering if you would like to go the full way say that, like in the myth, Vulkan built you, like Hephaestus built pandora?
 
Normal dude said:
Ariel Ariel I was wondering since you based your characters of pandora, and I based my character off Hephaestus. I was wondering if you would like to go the full way say that, like in the myth, Vulkan built you, like Hephaestus built pandora?
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I think it would depend on who came first. I put that the twins were created shortly after humans, and i don't know where they lie on the timeline
 
I actually didn't know posting started as I haven't been keeping up with the OOC. Have I missed much?
 
I'll be making a Lore page later today. Some stuff may get left out so let me know if I missed any important details.
 
Definitely a timeline of sorts. With major events on it too, like the creation of the world and of humankind
 
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