MrThe
Mystery Man
Hey i decided to do an Out of Character chat. Also I am doing a map of where my country is. I think it would be cool if we like added all the countries to it as we got more players.
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Pat
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How would your faction mesh with the already estabilized lore of New Canaan being founded in the wake of your community's destruction, and the scattering of the remaining Mormons once that settlement itself was destroyed because of the White Legs?
Pat
Three Thousand Club
Canonically, there's only thirty that survived New Canaan's destruction, that agreed to later eventually found another Mormon community.
MrThe
Mystery Man
I figured we'd ignore the lore because it makes a better country if New Jerusalem was never destroyed. But if you insist on following Canaan (see the pun) then i guess i could make a different country.
MrThe
Mystery Man
Is my country going to be accepted or denied or do I have to wait a while still?
Pat
Three Thousand Club
I'm wondering how your faction would fit with what is canon.
MrThe
Mystery Man
It got accepted mah friend. Also as for the Lore, it's basically what might have happened if New Jerusalem was never destroyed. So i guess that's how it fits with the lore. It's not like this entire thing was built long after New Canaan was destroyed. It is a what if their first settlement never was destroyed. So it doesn't fit in exactly with the lore but it makes a better country to RP with if the area it is based in is not destroyed.
Pat
Three Thousand Club
I'll elucidate.
New Jerusalem - Never Destroyed
If New Jerusalem was never destroyed, then New Canaan was never founded by the remnants of New Jerusalem. If New Canaan was never founded, then Daniel and Joshua weren't born, one of which was a significant player in the Legion, and then the destruction of New Canaan by the White Legs never happened. Then that means the Honest Hearts DLC wouldn't happen, and the White Legs would still exist as a tribe.
So the question I've been reiterating is what do you propose Honest Hearts was, and how would Joshua's backstory occur despite his hometown never being founded?
Should we just consider Zion was never found by any other outsiders than the Sorrows, Vault 22 expedition and the Mexicans? And that Joshua came from New Jerusalem instead of New Canaan, and that Courier Six came to New Jerusalem rather than Zion Canyon and repelled a White Legs invasion?
Pat
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Could you go into a little more detail about your military? Because saying you're well-supplied and you have military vehicles and aerial vehicles is pretty vague, and it would be nice to know what you actually have rather than slowly realizing throughout the RP. Are these Vertibirds and APCs?
MrThe
Mystery Man
Basically yes. Except New Canaan exists it's just that it was settled by colonists and not refugees. Joshua could still help found the legion and the same stuff will pretty much happen the same just with New Jerusalem and with it around still. And also I'll most certainly give more detail on my military. But all that stuff you just said is part of the fun in RP. you can change the lore and make your own story. It is like a giant WHAT IF. What if the Legion Won the second battle of Hoover Dam. What if the NCR was never founded. And in this case What if New Jerusalem was never destroyed. You get to decide what would happen.
Pat
Three Thousand Club
@MrThe. You're talking about Skyrider Stingrays? Isn't that a more recent development? I have reservations about the power armor production too, since, that's actually pretty large numbers as far as power armor goes, even more so since you've produced them all. The below screenshot comes from Danse's dialog page and basically means even the Brotherhood of Steel as of 2287 isn't capable of creating power armor. The only faction that has been able to do that is the Enclave.
MrThe
Mystery Man
Oh ok I'll change the power armour then to be more like 50 protoypes and they can't make any more of them but they are working on finding out how with the blueprints. Also the Stingrays were from before the war they just were found in Fallout 4 suggesting that they were supplied mostly to the east coast which doesn't rule out that Utah didn't have any, after all it was used for a lot of military testing. I also have a few additions to the culture part.
Pat
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How come some Vault Dwelling Mormons are capable of repairing vehicles and aircraft and are capable of flying? You gotta admit trial and error would be costly.
Pat
Three Thousand Club
And could you maybe have even less power armor? Or at least say you gained most of it from a brief but successful war with the local Brotherhood Chapter which detested your successful but small-scale production?
MrThe
Mystery Man
Hmm I could do something like that with the power armor, maybe they managed to cart off a few boxes of power armor without them noticing but if they ever found out would damage their relations? As for the flying vehicles they kind of have only five for that exact reason. As for being able to fly them there was probably a simulation room or something.
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Pat
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The Mormons aren't really a power armor faction. They're guys with .45 pistols and rifles. Probably combat armor at this point if New Jerusalem never fell. And the Brotherhood would immediately attack you if they found out you repaired a prewar vehicle or was able to get any amount of power armor. They wouldn't even sell you power armor schematics because their entire organization was founded around the ideal of keeping this sort of military technology out of the hands of the average wastelander. But repairing a vehicle isn't that simple. There's only been one ground vehicle of the entire Fallout series that we've seen that was successfully repaired. However, it appears that technology is slowly disseminating from the West because of the Shi, and the 80s tribe might have motorcycles, on the East Coast the Gunners are exploring the possibility of repairing tanks. But still. You're Vault Dwelling Mormons. It's a stretch to say you knew how to repair ground vehicles and aircraft. It's almost impossible that somebody hasn't already looted this air force base before you've even left the vault. Like Megaton was made out of an airport on the East Coast. The only reason the Boomers were able to get to Nellis first was because it was incredibly irradiated for years until they walked up to it and realized that it had declined to habitable levels. If Salt Lake City and it's military bases weren't directly hit, then scavengers would beat you to it or wasteland critters would make a nest there and mess with everything. Relatively successful factions in Boston like the Minutemen and Gunners have acquired vertibirds, like one, or maybe a handful for the latter, implying vertibirds don't rust as much or are repairable for wastelanders, but Stingrays are an entirely different story. They would rust and go into disrepair because the environment around Salt Lake City. A few rainstorms and a couple of years would be all it takes. The environment might be only the reason the Boomers were able to repair the Nellis bomber. It sat in a warehouse in an extremely dry climate, preventing rust. Then they pulled the other bomber out of the lake, stripped it for usable parts and copied what they couldn't salvage, and added it onto an intact frame and jammed the circuits, radio, and controls inside.
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MrThe
Mystery Man
Ok fine I'll get rid of the vehicles but the Power Armor stays.
Pat
Three Thousand Club
I would prefer you got them with a war with the Brotherhood of Steel/some scavenging of local military bases. They really dislike wastelanders having technology, you really can't coexist with them when it comes to owning even a laser rifle, and it makes sense since only the Enclave has been able to make power armor, at least, in a significant scale, since the Great War.
MrThe
Mystery Man
Well I figured that if they found out we nabbed their armor they would end up in a war with us. So I'm kind of leaving it up to what happens in the RP. If they found out in the RP then we'd go to war. If they don't then we don't have to fight the BOS. It's a perfectly plausible explanation of how they ended up with so much power armor and I already made a lot of concessions to you. And if it makes sense does it matter how they got the power armor? Besides if they got it from being in a war with the BOS the armor would probably be damaged, not to mention that it would be flat out harder to get the armor if they fought. The BOS would be on the lookout for us if we went to war making it harder to raid their bases looking for power armor. So it makes more sense to just take it instead of risking a war.
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Pat
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The Brotherhood has a policy of confiscating advanced technology. They went to war with the NCR simply because they disagreed about how technology should be distributed. They would care as much about you simply possessing power armor, even if it was legitimately acquired, as they would about you stealing power armor, which they probably would've noticed if you stole so many suits. If they saw it, they would want it.
Isn't thievery against Mormon values too?
You're welcome to nitpick my faction sheet. Ultimately I have no power. I'm just trying to make this more adherent to reality/the Fallout world.
MrThe
Mystery Man
I guess so. Also yes thievery is against Mormon values but then again this is the Wasteland, some rules have to be bended to survive. Thanks for the help man. As for the BOS they are kind of weak right now. They are too spread out to go declare war on anyone. Much less people who now have 50 power suits and outnumber you greatly. Think about it you are the commander of a small outpost in Utah and find out you are missing several suits of armor, you suspect that the Mormons took it but the problem is that they are now in possession of power armor and there are more of them than you. You could call for backup but what is the chance that theyll even get the message or send help? Or they could arrive too late and by then youd be dead. The BOS might hate us for it but the reality is that one small outpost can't win against the settlements alone and getting reinforcements could take a while or never come.
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Pat
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The BOS was incredibly outnumbered by the NCR yet they still waged war against them. In the Mojave the same story played out. The BOS doesn't care about numbers or tactics. They'll come at you anyway. They're the descendants of soldiers and have some of the strongest weapons available. How would you even get into a BOS bunker anyway? Or close enough to a stockpile to pilfer whatever you want?
MrThe
Mystery Man
With stealth. And the BoS lost man. Ok then I'll go say we had a war then and captured like twice the amount of armor.
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Pat
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Which is how many?
MrThe
Mystery Man
100
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