OOC Discussion

[Lioness075]

Falarion looks good to me, with just one caveat: He's a super in the knights. That's rather like trying to pass for white in the KKK.


Don't they have gene scanners in the knights secret hideout?

This was also discussed heavily in Discord and ultimately, welian is okay with it. The idea will be that he's using 'holy fire' and is cleansing mutants of their impurities by basically burning them alive. He's all for killing mutants and will likely end up being one of their best.

 

[Gus]

I am already anticipating first contact with Aaron:


*Three full minutes of 15 million K firestorm*


Aaron steps out of the blackened circle, brushes a little soot off his shoulder and shrugs. 


"Guess I was already pretty pure, huh?"

 

[Lioness075]

I am already anticipating first contact with Aaron:


*Three full minutes of 15 million K firestorm*


Aaron steps out of the blackened circle, brushes a little soot off his shoulder and shrugs. 


"Guess I was already pretty pure, huh?"

Remind me again who Aaron is and what he can do. XD

 

[Captain Hesperus]

Aaron Mallory is basically the Harbinger of the Apocalypse, if he so chose to be.


Captain Hesperus

 

[Gus]

Remind me again who Aaron is and what he can do. XD

Living black hole. Weighs as much as saturn. Invulnerable to virtually any kind of brute force or energy attack. Immovable by any force other than his own efforts or gravity. Strong enough to convert you into quark plasma if he gets a grip on you.


But slooooooooow! Walking briskly takes enormous effort, and dodging his punches is like Kirk fighting a Gorn.

 

[Lioness075]

Aaron Mallory is basically the Harbinger of the Apocalypse, if he so chose to be.


Captain Hesperus

As intense as that sounds, it doesn't really explain much to me. :')

Living black hole. Weighs as much as saturn. Invulnerable to virtually any kind of brute force or energy attack. Immovable by any force other than his own efforts or gravity. Strong enough to convert you into quark plasma if he gets a grip on you.


But slooooooooow! Walking briskly takes enormous effort, and dodging his punches is like Kirk fighting a Gorn.

I don't know who Kirk is or what a Gorn is, but I understand now lol.

 

[Gus]

Aaron Mallory is basically the Harbinger of the Apocalypse, if he so chose to be.


Captain Hesperus

Kinda like the kid in the Prachett/Gaiman book "Good Omens." He is too well brought up to do anything like that. 

 

[Gus]

Worst. Fight. Choreography. Ever.

 

[Captain Hesperus]

Kinda like the kid in the Prachett/Gaiman book "Good Omens." He is too well brought up to do anything like that. 

Or unless someone gets between him and his coffee...


But on the other hand, Aaron doesn't need to throw a punch. All he does is extend an arm, bunch his fingers then extend a gravity well between himself and his target and they fall horizontally into his fist!


Captain Hesperus

 

[D. Rex]

Lol I have lost so much respect for the Knights since they started recruiting Supers. I just can't take them seriously anymore.

 

[Lioness075]

Um, well, them recruiting supers to kill supers freaks me out a bit, personally. While some may be all for it, others could be brainwashed and that stuff is freaky.

 

[Gus]

Or unless someone gets between him and his coffee...


But on the other hand, Aaron doesn't need to throw a punch. All he does is extend an arm, bunch his fingers then extend a gravity well between himself and his target and they fall horizontally into his fist!


Captain Hesperus

Oddly, he can't do that. None of the physicists who have studied him can say why.


Lucky break for the AEGISverse version of earth, too!


At a range of 10 meters, his gravitational field should be in excess of 10 trillion earth gravities.


The best hypothesis as to why this doesn't happen is that he is the condensation of 3 trillion trillion versions of himself from across a similar number of alternate universes but he interacts gravitationally with ALL of those versions of earth.  (But physically with just the ONE version of his opponent)


There is some theoretical support for this. Nobody knows why gravity is the weakest of the four fundamental forces, but some string theorists suspect the excess gravitons can leak off into alternate universes.

 

[Gus]

Oh and he gave up coffee after the events of 1/14/40. And food. And sleep. 


So far, no ill effects. But then, it has only been a week and a half.

 

[Gus]

Lol I have lost so much respect for the Knights since they started recruiting Supers. I just can't take them seriously anymore.

Um. You respected them previously?

 

[D. Rex]

Um, well, them recruiting supers to kill supers freaks me out a bit, personally. While some may be all for it, others could be brainwashed and that stuff is freaky.

Well it deligitamizes the cause and weakens their case. And what about the rank of supers? All holy holy. Why not worship Vickys cleansing light of Argorgnoketh while they are at it? If they hate supers, do they listen to supers with Rank or do the still spit on them and use them like tools? 


As well as a myriad of other issues.

Um. You respected them previously?

Yes I did. When they were all human and had standards and a cause. 

 

[Lioness075]

Well it deligitamizes the cause and weakens their case. And what about the rank of supers? All holy holy. Why not worship Vickys cleansing light of Argorgnoketh while they are at it? If they hate supers, do they listen to supers with Rank or do the still spit on them and use them like tools? 


As well as a myriad of other issues.

XD


I, for one, am not taking all of this as seriously as you.


Honestly, the supers are probably more used like tools without them fully realizing it. Like, they think they have great rank and are epic and all, but are, like, laughed at behind their backs. *shrug*

 

[Gus]

Not all causes are worthy of respect. The nazis had a cause. As do the KKK

 

[Lioness075]

Not all causes are worthy of respect. The nazis had a cause. As do the KKK

This is very true. Just because they are a big group and 'have a cause', doesn't mean they're to be respected. I don't see many people respecting ISIS and their cause.

 

[welian]

I gotta set up the new character submission system, haven't done that because school, I was waiting for the end of the episode too.

 

[D. Rex]

XD


I, for one, am not taking all of this as seriously as you.


Honestly, the supers are probably more used like tools without them fully realizing it. Like, they think they have great rank and are epic and all, but are, like, laughed at behind their backs. *shrug*

Doesn't change my points. They went from "kill all supers" to "okay we can tolerate that one". And given their extreme positions they make friendly with them? if they were to be tools, the supers should be collared and enslaved. Forced to know their place. Brainwashed? Brainwashed is fine. But why brainwash them into thinking "I haz rank"?  


People joined the Knights to hunt and get rid of supers. Not work with them or under them. 


As for respect. You are both taking what I say out of context. I am talking in regards to them being a worthy antagonistic force. Going from "these are interesting bad guys" to "eh just a generic super villain league".


Keep in mind, these are personal opinions on the matter. And not an attack on the players or creators who have partooken(I know that not a word but it's fun to say) in their knightly stuff or criticism of them. And as such, I am simply discussing for the sake of debate, thought, and talking to see myself type.

 

[Gus]

I gotta set up the new character submission system, haven't done that because school, I was waiting for the end of the episode too.

Strictly speaking, Lucas is not a NEW character. Just a retread. 


But he has been away for FAR longer than I originally intended. Il est revenu!

 

[Lioness075]

Considering how terribly things went at the mall and all, I think I still see them as a serious threat. Regardless of supers working with them or not. I think it adds an interesting dynamic for them to be hating on supers and then for a super to be seen working with them, which means the super hates his own kind in a twisted way.

 

[D. Rex]

Considering how terribly things went at the mall and all, I think I still see them as a serious threat. Regardless of supers working with them or not. I think it adds an interesting dynamic for them to be hating on supers and then for a super to be seen working with them, which means the super hates his own kind in a twisted way.

I'm not saying they aren't a threat. But in a world of supers, there are thousands of threats. For instance, what just happened at the school. And when it is humans working with supers, it makes them not much different than the current system of government except... evil for some reason. The current way being fairly obvious hypocrisy.


They can be working with supers, but the how and why are what would make it dynamic. "Just is" is less dynamic than having a slave force of supers that is are so brainwashed, self loathing, and under Raquels control that a line of Supers would go out into public and commit mass seppuku to emphasize their point. Adding to the dynamic is having the mundane human Knights of Raquel so well trained that they can take out supers in their sleep so they only keep supers as pets. Specifically the ones that understand that the mundane are the superior form of humans. That self loathing has no value if it isn't shown in the super or if it isn't touched upon. A super hating itself won't carry much weight in that position if that hate isn't taken to the extreme.


Then there comes the image of Raquel and the feelings of its members. WHY do they work for Raquel? is it money or for hate of supers? If it is the latter WHY do they find some as "holy"? 


If an antagonistic force isn't given the proper depth or motivations, then there is the chance that it won't leave an impact on the consumers of that medium. As such, making an antagonist is probably even more important and should be given more care in making than the protagonist. Protagonists can be sustained by self insertion, but the antagonist has no such safety net to fall back on. 

 

[Lioness075]

I'm not saying they aren't a threat. But in a world of supers, there are thousands of threats. For instance, what just happened at the school. And when it is humans working with supers, it makes them not much different than the current system of government except... evil for some reason. The current way being fairly obvious hypocrisy.


They can be working with supers, but the how and why are what would make it dynamic. "Just is" is less dynamic than having a slave force of supers that is are so brainwashed, self loathing, and under Raquels control that a line of Supers would go out into public and commit mass seppuku to emphasize their point. Adding to the dynamic is having the mundane human Knights of Raquel so well trained that they can take out supers in their sleep so they only keep supers as pets. Specifically the ones that understand that the mundane are the superior form of humans. That self loathing has no value if it isn't shown in the super or if it isn't touched upon. A super hating itself won't carry much weight in that position if that hate isn't taken to the extreme.


Then there comes the image of Raquel and the feelings of its members. WHY do they work for Raquel? is it money or for hate of supers? If it is the latter WHY do they find some as "holy"? 


If an antagonistic force isn't given the proper depth or motivations, then there is the chance that it won't leave an impact on the consumers of that medium. As such, making an antagonist is probably even more important and should be given more care in making than the protagonist. Protagonists can be sustained by self insertion, but the antagonist has no such safety net to fall back on. 

Woah nelly, lol. I think this stuff should be directed to welian, not me. I'm just making a lowly knight/super to join their ranks. I'm not in control of the Knights whatsoever and have no means of deciding just how Falarion is going to be treated in their ranks. Pretty sure that's up to welian.


As far as we previously discussed it in Discord, Falarion is going to be seen as a human 'gifted' with 'holy fire', as he hates supers and will easily burn one alive without consideration. I think that's the simplest way of describing it.

 

[D. Rex]

Woah nelly, lol. I think this stuff should be directed to welian, not me. I'm just making a lowly knight/super to join their ranks. I'm not in control of the Knights whatsoever and have no means of deciding just how Falarion is going to be treated in their ranks. Pretty sure that's up to welian.


As far as we previously discussed it in Discord, Falarion is going to be seen as a human 'gifted' with 'holy fire', as he hates supers and will easily burn one alive without consideration. I think that's the simplest way of describing it.

Nah. This is more generalized discussion regarding the knights than any sort of protest.


I am not talking specifically about your character. For one, Avecca is a super there too. 


As for your character though, I don't think it is fair for me to offer character critique on him this late, especially if Welian has already accepted him. It isn't my place.