OOC Discussion

Oh, and as for Jericho, I could see it either way. If I understand her powers correctly, she seems like a A to me. Could just knock strength down to a five for the points, and not miss them at all because her earth bending powers don't require her to use her arms, right? If she can affect a whole city block, that is some kind of metaphysical earth moving power, not just super steamshovel digger mode. So if her main power is just making a mountain of rubble where a city used to be, her physical strength is kind of irrelevant except for flavor. And if her limit is a city block, that is not world ending. City ending maybe. However, I might be misunderstanding the vision. If there is a way to extend the earth moving thing to the extent that you could shake say, the whole eastern seaboard, I would definitely call that S level. As I said above, I'd see Torrent as a potential S level for the same reason. But if that is absolutely past your limit and it would kill you to even try, that is what A levels are for. It is not about who could beat who in a fight. I can actually think of ways for almost every character currently accepted to defeat Solo, and those who couldn't could just walk away. Slowly. He is weak sauce for fighting. On purpose. Fighting is not the heart of role-play, and who can win in a fight depends ENTIRELY on who the writer is. Anybody can write Superman beats Batman to a pulp. What is fun to write is Batman beats Superman (although admittedly some people manage to make it pretty joyless… not that I am naming any names)


Edit: I can literally not think of ANY fight between Jericho and Solo that does not end with Solo buried alive and then suffocating to death. Please don't kill me and take my job, Eve!


Edit to the edit: Maybe as you are just about to kill me, you could find out our moms have the same name and decide we just have to be best friends now. Cause that's good writing right there. :P
 
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Gus said:
Oh, and as for Jericho, I could see it either way. If I understand her powers correctly, she seems like a A to me. Could just knock strength down to a five for the points, and not miss them at all because her earth bending powers don't require her to use her arms, right? If she can affect a whole city block, that is some kind of metaphysical earth moving power, not just super steamshovel digger mode. So if her main power is just making a mountain of rubble where a city used to be, her physical strength is kind of irrelevant except for flavor. And if her limit is a city block, that is not world ending. City ending maybe. However, I might be misunderstanding the vision. If there is a way to extend the earth moving thing to the extent that you could shake say, the whole eastern seaboard, I would definitely call that S level. As I said above, I'd see Torrent as a potential S level for the same reason. But if that is absolutely past your limit and it would kill you to even try, that is what A levels are for. It is not about who could beat who in a fight. I can actually think of ways for almost every character currently accepted to defeat Solo, and those who couldn't could just walk away. Slowly. He is weak sauce for fighting. On purpose. Fighting is not the heart of role-play, and who can win in a fight depends ENTIRELY on who the writer is. Anybody can write Superman beats Batman to a pulp. What is fun to write is Batman beats Superman (although admittedly some people manage to make it pretty joyless… not that I am naming any names)
Edit: I can literally not think of ANY fight between Jericho and Solo that does not end with Solo buried alive and then suffocating to death. Please don't kill me and take my job, Eve!
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Honestly, at first I believed that her thing might be too OP so I downgraded it. But fuck it, I want her to be an S-Rank so I'm going tectonic.


Edit: I'm gonna think this over.
 
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Aldur said:
Honestly, at first I believed that her thing might be too OP so I downgraded it. But fuck it, I want her to be an S-Rank so I'm going tectonic.
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W00t! Shake it J! :D
 
On a more interesting note, tho. You have a point. Like Swoob said, there are already quite a few S-Ranks so I might just go A to be honest.
 
Gus said:
Oh, and as for Jericho, I could see it either way. If I understand her powers correctly, she seems like a A to me. Could just knock strength down to a five for the points, and not miss them at all because her earth bending powers don't require her to use her arms, right? If she can affect a whole city block, that is some kind of metaphysical earth moving power, not just super steamshovel digger mode. So if her main power is just making a mountain of rubble where a city used to be, her physical strength is kind of irrelevant except for flavor. And if her limit is a city block, that is not world ending. City ending maybe. However, I might be misunderstanding the vision. If there is a way to extend the earth moving thing to the extent that you could shake say, the whole eastern seaboard, I would definitely call that S level. As I said above, I'd see Torrent as a potential S level for the same reason. But if that is absolutely past your limit and it would kill you to even try, that is what A levels are for. It is not about who could beat who in a fight. I can actually think of ways for almost every character currently accepted to defeat Solo, and those who couldn't could just walk away. Slowly. He is weak sauce for fighting. On purpose. Fighting is not the heart of role-play, and who can win in a fight depends ENTIRELY on who the writer is. Anybody can write Superman beats Batman to a pulp. What is fun to write is Batman beats Superman (although admittedly some people manage to make it pretty joyless… not that I am naming any names)
Edit: I can literally not think of ANY fight between Jericho and Solo that does not end with Solo buried alive and then suffocating to death. Please don't kill me and take my job, Eve!
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With the comma's I assumed that the STRENGTH explanation was a list and physical strength was just an example of destructive potential.


I prefer not fighting actually. PvP, anyway. I find it better that if a situation arises, for it to be talked out between the players THEN posted. Rigged it may be, but much smoother in my opinion.

Aldur said:
Honestly, at first I believed that her thing might be too OP so I downgraded it. But fuck it, I want her to be an S-Rank so I'm going tectonic.
Edit: I'm gonna think this over.
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Go big or go home!
 
I would, though, if it were me, pump her will up to 8 and drop the strength to 4, or maybe 6/6 or 5/7?
 
Either she goes tectonic, or she just continues like this with maybe an extra power for super-strength due to her right to bear arms.
 
KingHink said:
With the comma's I assumed that the STRENGTH explanation was a list and physical strength was just an example of destructive potential.
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Interesting. I guess I see the sub clauses as just examples of what you can do with muscle power. I think raw overall power is deliberately not part of the point system. Otherwise there would be no way to do S classes that aren't hulk type characters because they'd have to waste too many points on strength when their means of ending the world is health and intellect (Looking at YOU Allen!) (…or should that be: Looking at Y'all?)
 
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@Gus


Man, you brought up some solid points. I'm pretty torn now. On one hand, an S Rank would be pretty coolio, but on the other hand, I think I could go just as well with an A rank.


I think I might do what you said and pump some more points into her willpower since her personality also seems built on that.
 
maybe we should limit the high rank members when we recruit, like for each recruitment there should be 2 S-Rank, 4 A-rank, 8 B-Ranks and unlimited slot for any rank lower, who get the high rank will be depend on the GM ?
 
Swoob said:
Yo guys, so with the influx of new characters, we've been noticing a frightening amount of people wanting to be S class. Please remember that S class supers are capable of extreme catastrophes and are both rare and very exclusively handed out. Applying for an S class will significantly lower your chances of being accepted. We will only choose the best characters for S class, and we can reject your character even if there are no "problems" with it.
The most common classes are D, B and mainly C classes. This is the current power balance.


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Doesn't really look right.


We need more Cs and Ds. We know that creating powerful characters are often much more fun (hell, Eden originally had 32 power points before I settled down and was still A class), but we implore you to put away your pride and help us out. We're not trying to make the experience worse for you, but that is simply how we are going to accept characters. Thank you for your cooperation. <3
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Hmmm. I just now saw this. Should I reduce Vickys statistics then? I have a second character concept if I need to start over. He would be in a pretty low rank.
 
Aldur said:
@Gus
Man, you brought up some solid points. I'm pretty torn now. On one hand, an S Rank would be pretty coolio, but on the other hand, I think I could go just as well with an A rank.


I think I might do what you said and pump some more points into her willpower since her personality also seems built on that.
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Either way. I just calls 'em like I sees 'em. The A/S distinction does require a bit of mental gymnastics. @Bag o Fruit and I have batted the concept of S around quite a bit the last month or so. It is a fun theoretical exercise to me, because I am a huge physics nerd and an huge comic book geek. (Some might argue that 'dork' comes into that equation somewhere) A great book, for those not already aware of it, is The Physics of Superheroes by James Kakalios. He is a physics professor at University of Minnesota, and wrote a survey level class (and the book) on how to interpret physics in the comic universe. That is where a lot of my starting assumptions are coming from. (Well that and tons of comic book history) Always pleased to provide food for thought.
 
Sopranos said:
maybe we should limit the high rank members when we recruit, like for each recruitment there should be 2 S-Rank, 4 A-rank, 8 B-Ranks and unlimited slot for any rank lower, who get the high rank will be depend on the GM ?
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I think that is sort of addressed by CCPs. Especially now that new players are going to start at six. I think it would be enough to stress how much can be done with C. You know what might be really helpful is if we had a tab for rejected characters as examples of what not to do. I could have a field day making 'bad' characters. Gus (my first attempt for those of you just joining us) would be a nice example for such a tab in that he has a forbidden power AND was nearly unbeatable in a fight as a C level
 
Gus said:
Either way. I just calls 'em like I sees 'em. The A/S distinction does require a bit of mental gymnastics. @Bag o Fruit and I have batted the concept of S around quite a bit the last month or so. It is a fun theoretical exercise to me, because I am a huge physics nerd and an huge comic book geek. (Some might argue that 'dork' comes into that equation somewhere) A great book, for those not already aware of it, is The Physics of Superheroes by James Kakalios. He is a physics professor at University of Minnesota, and wrote a survey level class (and the book) on how to interpret physics in the comic universe. That is where a lot of my starting assumptions are coming from. (Well that and tons of comic book history) Always pleased to provide food for thought.
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I'm gonna post two CSes for Eve. One for A-Rank and one for S-Rank. Would you be willing to give me some feedback on them?
 
KingHink said:
Hmmm. I just now saw this. Should I reduce Vickys statistics then? I have a second character concept if I need to start over. He would be in a pretty low rank.
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Laser vision is, as you note, a classic. Especially the whole cyclops disadvantage. I would stick with it. But you could try rewriting as a B if you want. I bet you could even get her to C without much trouble. Something like 1/2/3/2/3/6? Honestly I am not sure what is up with the 8 strength. Your description does not include 'she-hulk' along with cyclops… ;)
 
Aldur said:
I'm gonna post two CSes for Eve. One for A-Rank and one for S-Rank. Would you be willing to give me some feedback on them?
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Willing?! I can't speak for anyone else, but my personal superpower is feedback. I don't think even Solo could stop me from offering it, even when it's not wanted. xD
 
By the way, since willpower is rather hard to judge as it is less conventionally measured than the others, you can use my character as a pretty good example.


Eden has a willpower of 8. Currently, he is able to stab himself in the heart and withstand the pain and shock of it to move around in the small amount of lag before he falls unconscious. This isn't scientifically correct/possible, but that's why he has a willpower of 8. So being able to do stuff like that is the holy shit territory of willpower
 
Swoob said:
By the way, since willpower is rather hard to judge as it is less conventionally measured than the others, you can use my character as a pretty good example.
Eden has a willpower of 8. Currently, he is able to stab himself in the heart and withstand the pain and shock of it to move around in the small amount of lag before he falls unconscious. This isn't scientifically correct/possible, but that's why he has a willpower of 8. So being able to do stuff like that is the holy shit territory of willpower
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That would definitely get a holy shit! out of me. Also, that is pretty much how I pictured 'Eden beats solo' (or more or less anybody really) in a fight.
 
Gus said:
Laser vision is, as you note, a classic. Especially the whole cyclops disadvantage. I would stick with it. But you could try rewriting as a B if you want. I bet you could even get her to C without much trouble. Something like 1/2/3/2/3/6? Honestly I am not sure what is up with the 8 strength. Your description does not include 'she-hulk' along with cyclops… ;)
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I could write it as C. But for her I would do B as a lowest. The rank is more the effect of destructibility rather than how beatable or unbeatable she is. Basically giving her more reason she can't use her power and consequences if she does, kind of thing. That is, if Rank ranks destructive potential rather just the number of stats determined by Aegis.


As for the state allocation, as Mentioned it was because I was assuming strength wasn't just physical strength. Willpower I can see her needing to have. But which stat would measure what the beam is capable of? While her body may not be all that strong in terms of physical strength, the beam would pack quite the punch.
 
If strength was raw physical power I would drop it to a normal 1.


Though I will probably drop the Intelligence to 1, too. Maybe 2 if I feel generous to her, for the sake of the cognitive process of trying to keep track of what she needs to look at.


Defense is 3 only for the sake of her energy resistance.


As for willpower, if that is just the ability focus and concentrate, it would be used for her trying to control the power. But given that I didn't plan for her to control it this early and leave room for progression, I might drop that down too.


But of the stats, none of them would really measure her power.
 
KingHink said:
I could write it as C. But for her I would do B as a lowest. The rank is more the effect of destructibility rather than how beatable or unbeatable she is. Basically giving her more reason she can't use her power and consequences if she does, kind of thing. That is, if Rank ranks destructive potential rather just the number of stats determined by Aegis.
As for the state allocation, as Mentioned it was because I was assuming strength wasn't just physical strength. Willpower I can see her needing to have. But which stat would measure what the beam is capable of? While her body may not be all that strong in terms of physical strength, the beam would pack quite the punch.
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Gotcha. I think, but @welian maybe can confirm or deny this, that strength is just muscular strength and other powers are deliberately not part of the point system because that would be too stifling to creativity. So the beam could potentially punch holes in buildings even though you are C level on points.


Somebody correct me if I am wrong, but I think you don't have to spend all available points, right? You could be an S with all your stats at 1 if you wanted, right?
 
KingHink said:
If strength was raw physical power I would drop it to a normal 1.
Though I will probably drop the Intelligence to 1, too. Maybe 2 if I feel generous to her, for the sake of the cognitive process of trying to keep track of what she needs to look at.


Defense is 3 only for the sake of her energy resistance.


As for willpower, if that is just the ability focus and concentrate, it would be used for her trying to control the power. But given that I didn't plan for her to control it this early and leave room for progression, I might drop that down too.


But of the stats, none of them would really measure her power.
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Iirc 2 is average, 3 is exceptional. 1 is mediocre to pathetic. So I wouldn't go 1 intelligence probably. I did for Gus because his time dilation effect basically made him rain man. His brain was literally 'slow' (Also he was a mental six year old in a 26 year old body.) 1 strength is ok for a scrawny high school student (Like Lucas) but most kids I know (and I teach for a living, so I know a lot of kids) are at least 2 intelligence. A rare few are clearly one or clearly three. And I have met a couple in my career who I am pretty damn sure are 4 or 5, even though they are definitively E class.


Edit: the problem people are the ones with 1 intelligence and 4 or 5 will. Those people give me hives, and in my experience, they go into politics, and run things. Vogons, the lot of them.
 
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KNOX, E.

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    ALTR?????????06
    ORDR?????????05
    KIND?????????05
    PRCT?????????08
    DIPL?????????03
  • Full Name

    Eve Kassidy Knox

    Nicknames

    Bicep Curls, BFG

    Codename

    Jericho

    Gender

    Female

    Age

    26

    Rank

    A

    Limiter

    Level 3, Inactive

    Role

    Teacher Assistant for the Collateral Damage And You Class

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KNOX, E.

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  • AspectScale
    COUR?????????08
    ALTR?????????06
    ORDR?????????05
    KIND?????????05
    PRCT?????????08
    DIPL?????????03
  • Full Name

    Eve Kassidy Knox

    Nicknames

    Bicep Curls, BFG

    Codename

    Jericho

    Gender

    Female

    Age

    26

    Rank

    S

    Limiter

    Level 4, Inactive

    Role

    Teacher Assistant for the Collateral Damage And You Class

  • [/media]​

 
Gus said:
Gotcha. I think, but @welian maybe can confirm or deny this, that strength is just muscular strength and other powers are deliberately not part of the point system because that would be too stifling to creativity. So the beam could potentially punch holes in buildings even though you are C level on points.
Somebody correct me if I am wrong, but I think you don't have to spend all available points, right? You could be an S with all your stats at 1 if you wanted, right?
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There is a small range for each rank. But you are incorrect, there is a minimum point value for each range.


Most people, truthfully, inflate their rank based on how they perceive their characters. You really to think about WHY they warrant that rank. Telepathy, in and if itself, is harmless in a physical sense. Morgan is an A rank because he's shown (on accident) that he capable of forcing other people to think what he thinks. But, I could genuinely go down a rank and not affect how I play the character or his powers.


Willpower, in the stats, is NOT a personality trait. You can be bull headed and still have low will. You can be amiable and easily persuaded, but still have the laser focus that allows your brain to have high will saves.


We just need to think about and isolate the source of these powers and adjust accordingly, be it body, mind, or spirit.
 
Additionally (sorry, I'm on my phone) powers come from the human body. Technological devices does not count as a superpower. All robots are, by that definition, E rank and are not capable of superhuman levels of destruction and blatant disregard for physics. If Eve's source of power is her arms, she is not a super. If it's genetically encoded, then she is.
 
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