Max Abiulities and Attributes?

[psychoph]

What are the max Abilities ans Atributes can get to?


I always got the impression from the books that a Solar Exalted could get up to 10 in everything but I have never seen a character sheet with that maximum, in fact all the ones I have seen reach 5 and stop.  


I have been wondering this for a while because i wanted to design a character sheet because I wasn't all that impressed with Void Sates sheet when it came to graphics and the WW conical ones are even worse.


Can you reach 10 essence to?  I remember reading a thread ont he old EC about Deathlords and Primordials and their stats and whether storytellers put them above 10 or not.  I got the idea that a lot of storytellers just maxed stuff out at 10.  I am not assuming may characters would get that high any time soon but I was wondering it if I ever wanted to run a high power solar game where you considered taking on the Deathlords, or maybe a Greek style game where the characters take on the Gods themselves.

 

[Flagg]

What are the max Abilities ans Atributes can get to?

For Exalted, it's generally 5 or Permanent Essence, whichever is higher.


As to what the maximum Permanent Essence is, there's no universal hard limit that I know of. Alchemicals are explicitly limited to 10, so I would assume it's similar for all other Celestial Exalts.


-S

 

[Rokan]

I think Dragon-Bloods are pretty much limited to Essence 6, no idea where that came from.  Anyways...

 

[Joseph]

I think Dragon-Bloods are pretty much limited to Essence 6, no idea where that came from.  Anyways...

They cannot surpass 7 without substantial external assistance designed to maximize their Essence flows and shit.

 

[psychoph]

htat makes a ton of sense to me so maximum depends on whether you are celestrial or not, and then deppends on your Permanent Essence.

 

[Rokan]

It has more to do with their hectic lifestyle and short lifespans.  Raising Essence above 3 involves monastic retreats and such that most Dragons wouldn't have time for during the first century of their life.

 

[psychoph]

I think i got bored an calcualted that once time.  The requirements for a solar exalted came out to abotu 10 years of retreats to meet the requirements of the book to reach essence 6


It si rating X months for solar exalted so you say star out with 3 and you increase it to 6 you got


4+5+6 = 16 months pt 1year 4 months yoo keep going and


7+8+9+10 = 50 months to reach essence 10, which is what 4 years of seclusion and meditation.


The book goes on to say you can't get above 5 unless you lived a mortal life time.  So you assume that to be true for each dot above 5 and that a mortal lives 100 years and you got 500 years plus the seclusion time before you can hit 10.


I woudl personally assume that any thing over 7 might take liek 2-5 mortal livetimes to get to so that you wouldn't be abel to get to level 10 until you are about 2000-3000 years old.

 

[Flagg]

The requirements for a solar exalted came out to abotu 10 years of retreats to meet the requirements of the book to reach essence 6

What?


You can get to Essence 3 with no downtime.


Getting to 4 takes 4 months, getting to 5 takes 5, etc. Getting from Essence 3 to 6 is 15 (4+5+6) months, or one year.


Realisitically, there will be many years in between each advancement, but at a minimum, it's ONE year, not TEN.

4+5+6 = 16 months pt 1year 4 months yoo keep going and

15 actually, which isn't 1 year, 3 months. It's one year. Creation has 15 month years.

So you assume that to be true for each dot above 5 and that a mortal lives 100 years and you got 500 years plus the seclusion time before you can hit 10.

It doesn't say you need to wait a mortal lifetime between each dot, it just says you have to wait a mortal lifetime before you can move from 5 to 6.


-S

 

[Flagg]

On the subject of "a mortal lifetime", I've never found that to be a particularly useful phrase.


Just exactly what is "a mortal lifetime"? The average lifespan? The absolute maximum lifespan?


How long do mortals live in Exalted?


If it's anything like our own pre-industrial reality, the average life span isn't more than    four or five decades.


-S

 

[Forn Clakes]

How long do mortals live in Exalted?

It sometimes seems like 5 minutes with some of my players.  :roll:


~FC.

 

[psychoph]

It doesn't say you need to wait a mortal lifetime between each dot, it just says you have to wait a mortal lifetime before you can move from 5 to 6.


-S

Yeah that was an assumption on my part that if it takes a mortal life time to go from 5 to 6 why not the same for 6-7 and so on.  I went witht he idea that after 5 you are spiritually moving beyond human comprehension of reality and as such it takes many more human life times to gain this enlightnment.  Doesn't make much sense to me that the magic number 5 means you have to have lived about a mortal life time to gain that much insight and some how 6-10 come easily.  It just makes more sense from a spiritual idea that it takes a good deal of living and breathing to get those final dots of essence more than just the meditating.  


As for a mortal life time. I concur about the abiguity of the words.  I beleive a mortal life time referes to a value in years in a range such as 40-50 or 40-80 that a moral would survive without too much serious strif.    Something akin to a mortals lifespan, the potential that a moral could live to much like dragon blooded are estimated to live between 300 and 500 years I think.

 

[Valheru]

Yeah that was an assumption on my part that if it takes a mortal life time to go from 5 to 6 why not the same for 6-7 and so on.  I went witht he idea that after 5 you are spiritually moving beyond human comprehension of reality and as such it takes many more human life times to gain this enlightnment.  Doesn't make much sense to me that the magic number 5 means you have to have lived about a mortal life time to gain that much insight and some how 6-10 come easily.  It just makes more sense from a spiritual idea that it takes a good deal of living and breathing to get those final dots of essence more than just the meditating.

What the hell? It doesn't take you a mortal lifetime to get the dot, you just can't get that dot until you've lived longer than a mortal lifetime because you're surpassing anything "Mortal," so to speak. At least, that's how I saw it.

As for a mortal life time. I concur about the abiguity of the words.  I beleive a mortal life time referes to a value in years in a range such as 40-50 or 40-80 that a moral would survive without too much serious strif.    Something akin to a mortals lifespan, the potential that a moral could live to much like dragon blooded are estimated to live between 300 and 500 years I think.

I'd say 100 years, because that's about the maximum a mortal can live without supernatural aid.

 

[Flagg]

I'd say 100 years' date=' because that's about the maximum a mortal can live without supernatural aid.[/quote']
It's a nice round number, but the fact is humans can live quite a bit longer than that. There's a womain alive right now in eastern Europe who exceeds that by over 25 years.


She's not a senile invalid either. Apparently she lives alone, still milks her goats, and grows her own vegetables for food. From the sounds of it she may live a while longer yet.


-S

 

[Valheru]

I'd say 100 years' date=' because that's about the maximum a mortal can live without supernatural aid.[/quote']
It's a nice round number, but the fact is humans can live quite a bit longer than that. There's a womain alive right now in eastern Europe who exceeds that by over 25 years.


She's not a senile invalid either. Apparently she lives alone, still milks her goats, and grows her own vegetables for food. From the sounds of it she may live a while longer yet.


-S

Yeah, but how many humans live beyond 100? Not very many. Besides, it seems like a century of life would give an exalt the wisdom/experience to transcend normal human phisiological/spiritual means.


Or we could say 150. There hasn't ever been a human who lived that long, has there?

 

[Joseph]

I'd say 100 years' date=' because that's about the maximum a mortal can live without supernatural aid.[/quote']
It's a nice round number, but the fact is humans can live quite a bit longer than that. There's a womain alive right now in eastern Europe who exceeds that by over 25 years.


She's not a senile invalid either. Apparently she lives alone, still milks her goats, and grows her own vegetables for food. From the sounds of it she may live a while longer yet.


-S

Because some backwater village in Eastern Europe has sufficiently precise and reliable records to make such things proven.


I think Fireball is talking about the aging rules in Exalted, rather than real life.

 

[Valheru]

Because some backwater village in Eastern Europe has sufficiently precise and reliable records to make such things proven.

*Giggles..* :lol:

 

[Flagg]

I think Fireball is talking about the aging rules in Exalted, rather than real life.

There are aging rules? Where?


-S

 

[Joseph]

I think Fireball is talking about the aging rules in Exalted, rather than real life.

There are aging rules? Where?


-S

At the very least aging rules for God Blooded are mentioned in the Players Guide, which would if nothing else set a "cap" for what normal mortal aging rules are.  I was under the impression there were mortal aging rules somewhere though.

 

[Haku1]

While I think there might be some aging rules in Exalted, I do know that it's possible for humans to live longer then a century in the real world.


I actually do have ancestors in mainland China, or rather members of branches of my family trees that didn't move out of China prior to or during world war II, that lived over a century, and were quite healthy until they died of old age.


Heck, my grandparents are 80ish and still going strong.


But that's a different story, as it's not Exalted.


I think the mortal lifespan for a normal human in Exalted is listed as 100 years, at least it's implied it's a hundred years given that they stated you can't get essence 6 before that time... check out page 258 of the Player's Guide.

 

[Joseph]

I actually do have ancestors in mainland China, or rather members of branches of my family trees that didn't move out of China prior to or during world war II, that lived over a century, and were quite healthy until they died of old age.
Heck, my grandparents are 80ish and still going strong.

Spawn more overlords.

 

[Lurker in Darkness]

I would say a regular human lifespan would be about 70 years in Exalted. If I´m not mistaken, some canon Solar character says to an old man "you´ll be lucky to live beyond 80", in one of the caste books. I think it´s that twilight guy that has a US/Solar cult.


My guess is they wrote 100 years in the Player´s Guide just for simplicity´s sake. People like simple numbers.


Anyways, as to I would stick with about 80. Supposing Exalted is similar to Eastern medieval cultures (like japan or China), it´s fair to assume they would live just about that much. Average lifespan in those places was substantially longer than in Europe due to their better hygiene and culinary customs. Or something like that.


Anyway, that´s just my (not quite) educated opinion.

 

[Halfdead Frodi]

Rules for Max essence


Check page 259 of the Exalted Player's Guide It has the Essence max charts. But for the lazy the required ages are these.


6 is 100


7 is 250


8 is 500


9+ is 1000


The Autochthonians book mentions 2000 for essence 10 on page 74, and usually a newer source is considered the most relevant... and would be logical instead of saving up until 100 and then just being able to immediately dump and get 9 and 10 in one long go.

 

[StarHawk]

I think i got bored an calcualted that once time.  The requirements for a solar exalted came out to abotu 10 years of retreats to meet the requirements of the book to reach essence 6
It is rating X months for solar exalted so you say star out with 3 and you increase it to 6 you got


4+5+6 = 16 months pt 1year 4 months yoo keep going and


7+8+9+10 = 50 months to reach essence 10, which is what 4 years of seclusion and meditation.


The book goes on to say you can't get above 5 unless you lived a mortal life time.  So you assume that to be true for each dot above 5 and that a mortal lives 100 years and you got 500 years plus the seclusion time before you can hit 10.


I woudl personally assume that any thing over 7 might take liek 2-5 mortal livetimes to get to so that you wouldn't be abel to get to level 10 until you are about 2000-3000 years old.

Actually, all the training times in the CB are if you have a mentor. So unless you can find some exalt or god with a higher essence who is willing to sit you down and teach you how to raise your essence for several months and or years, it'd take the single exalt forver to get to essence 7 or more.

 

[Halfdead Frodi]

Actually, all the training times in the CB are if you have a mentor. So unless you can find some exalt or god with a higher essence who is willing to sit you down and teach you how to raise your essence for several months and or years, it'd take the single exalt forver to get to essence 7 or more.

Perhaps...but...there is some question here. The Increasing Magical Traits section of the Core Book mentions no difference in training time for essence for having a tutor...and describes the training to SPECIFICALLY be going into 'a period of meditation and self-reflection' which I would usually view as rather difficult to do with a tutor most of the time. Meanwhile the charm section specifically mentions that rraining times are doubled...

 

[Lurker in Darkness]

Actually, all the training times in the CB are if you have a mentor. So unless you can find some exalt or god with a higher essence who is willing to sit you down and teach you how to raise your essence for several months and or years, it'd take the single exalt forver to get to essence 7 or more.

Considering you have a lifespan of several millenia, I guess spending a couple of decades meditating doesn´t make that much of a difference.