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Rage said:
Like so out of hand that this shit might fly into the sun & explode levels of out of hand.
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You're right, and I lied. I said it was my last post. I like Birdsie and I aint got no beef with you other players, so I wont stink up your RP with drama. If you guys manage to make it work, good on ya. Hopefully I'll be proven wrong and this'll still be going strong in a month.
 
Xel said:
You're right, and I lied. I said it was my last post. I like Birdsie and I aint got no beef with you other players, so I wont stink up your RP with drama. If you guys manage to make it work, good on ya. Hopefully I'll be proven wrong and this'll still be going strong in a month.
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Alright dood. Well...... You ugh..... *Looks at burning OOC Thread* That's some serious damage......if i do say so myself.
*Awkwardly laughs whilst tears fall from face*
 
Here's an idea: Stop arguing. You said this post
Xel said:
Alright I'm gonna open up with "this is my last response", only reason I'm even replying to you is because I like you and genuinely want to make my position known to you. Otherwise I'd just leave it with my reply to Scion. But even then, can only take it so far and based on your post, you don't much care to continue so yeah, last one.



That's the thing that I've been trying to explain. I didn't keep it vague, it just wasn't relevant so I never even gave it any thought. It's like demanding people to tell you what type of tree their bow is made out of, how taught their string is, how many arrows their quiver can hold. Nobody cares about this level of detail so nobody even thinks of it. The gun wasn't the focal point of my character. It was just a throwaway piece of gear so he can plink at the golems and dragons. I EXPLICITLY stated as such. So it's me keeping "vague" as much as someone is being "vague" by just saying "I have a greatsword" and not listing it's specific details. The details that actually mattered I either answered or said "it depends on the setting". For example, is the gun magical? Ideally no, I said as much. But maybe the setting requires it be maigtek to function like final fantasy. Or maybe it just allows for good old industry. I don't know because there's no setting to reference, thus I can't answer this question. I made all this abundantly clear, yet somehow Scion took this as to mean "It has infinite ammo".




I did say it was flintlock like, however it's fantasy. More importantly, it's fantasy roleplay. And I'm not gonna sit there shoving gunpower and cartridges into my gun for 30 seconds between shots. Thus it's more revolver-esque in terms of it being able to fire off multiple rounds in quick succession. I SAID ALL OF THIS on discord. So stop acting like I didn't. I didn't give any hard answers because Scion flat out said she has no authority over it and there's no setting to reference. So it's all up in the air without the word of god, aka you. But what I can give, I did. So seriously, stop pretending like I refused to answer questions. I just didn't answer them to her satisfaction because, again, there's no setting. So if your GM's not authorized to make final verdicts, nor is she capable of telling me which would work in the RP, what answer do you expect me to be able to give? With no setting to work with and a GM that can't actually make a call on anything, what concrete numbers am I suppose to give you?



When she askd questions that were relevant, and answerable, I answered. I said, multiple times, OBVIOUSLY it requires reloading. Magazine capacity would be dependent on the setting. Can the setting support actual magazines? Are they clips? Are they revolvers? Do they have quick-slot cartridges like D&D? It all goes back to there's no setting to reference, thus I can't give you the details you want. I gave what I could. I told her it's reloaded and has a few shots. It baffles me that you demand more from me when you never even made a setting for me to reference.

Also, you're lucky I like you. Because "this requires effort" is such a terrible argument. It requires effort from all sides, including the GMs. And when the GM asks for minutia that nobody else has to answer in a roleplay with no setting to reference, thus making concrete numbers impossible. That might be effort, but it's bad effort.



Say that in a month. It's easy to say when your RP's two days old. Tell me that in a month. Also I'll skip over the rest of your patronizing insults because it's just hilarious reading them when I've been in SEVERAL of your roleplays without any complaint from you. Yet, apparently, I don't fit your criteria for a preferred player.

It's even more hilarious that you decry someone for wanting to see if something's worth the investment. I bet you're the kinda guy who shames someone for wanting to test-drive a car before buying it, huh? I mean, who cares about your standards? Who cares if it's safe and reliable. Maybe you should just buy it instead of testing it. Brah. You have a co-GM that couldn't accept the, albeit kinda vague, answers given despite those being the best answers available given the lack of any actual information for this RP. Yeah, that's gonna cause problems moving forward. And I'd rather it cause problems at the start than midway through.





I man, /shrug. It's unfortunate since you're one of the GMs who's passed my test in the past. But oh well, nothing I can do about it.

As for your views on GMs. You say that, as a GM. But no, 99% of roleplays die because the GM can't handle it. You're not wrong, I'm not completely disagreeing with you. The players keep a RP alive too. Hell one of my current RPs literally had the GM just vanish into thin air and we, the players, kept it going. But a bad GM KILLS roleplays. Happens time and time again. You can point to any random person on this site and they'd be able to tell you about a RP they were in that died because of an incompetent GM.

Players are important, but you can lose players without the RP dying. You can have a bad player that needs to be removed without a roleplay dying. You CAN'T have a roleplay with an incompetent GM without the roleplay dying. So while both sides are important, it's ertainly not 50/50. And I do test the other players. Not to the severity of the GMs. But I'll find ways to find out their viewpoints and whatnot. Because you're right, everyone's important. But the LEADER is the most important. Doesn't usually matter what kind of playerbase you have if the leader is bad.

And "give the GM a questionnaire"? So if I gave Scion a questionnaire asking "If you're the GM of a settingless roleplay that hasn't even a single rule or lore behind it and, thus, players can't give you concrete numbers and can only give you vague impressions as to the end goal of their work. Would you accept that? Or throw a tantrum and kick them from the discord?" She'd have answered with "I'd throw a tantrum and kick them from the discord"? Somehow I doubt that.

The entire point is to see how the GM deals with difficult situations. While I don't go so far as to be a troll, I will be exacting. That's why I DID answer her questions to the best of my ability. Does it have to be reloaded? Yes. How many rounds can it hold? Dunno, for all I know Birdsie might dictate only single-shot flintlocks are allowed, I don't know what kind of ammo capacity is acceptable in the setting. Etc etc.

I'll end on this note, and a bit of repetition. I like you, you're generally a decent GM from the rp's I've been in. Never had any complaints about you. But ALL of this stems from you making a RP that has no setting and having a co-gm that can't give concrete decisions without you and has no setting to reference. Scion couldn't even tell me if guns were allowed. It was wishy-washy "Well maybe Birdsie will?" So, useless, literally a useless response. What TYPE of firearms are allowed? Again, no concrete answer from Scion. Do firearms even exist? Are they magitek? Are they flintlocks? Do we have M16s? Who knows! Scion sure as fuck didn't. How powerful are guns in the setting? We have magic, it's high fantasy, so some adventurer in enchanted titanium armor surely shouldn't fear a gun. Should they? Again, WHO KNOWS!? Nobody. And that's a big problem.

So you can decry my testing, that's fine, to each his own. Probably why you go through 9 RP's in 9 months. Blind trust doesn't net you lasting results usually. But don't have a co-gm who doesn't have the authority to make decisions on their own. And don't have a settingless roleplay that promotes itself as "freedom" while having a fairly restrictive, generic fantasy setting. A setting NOBODY KNOWS ABOUT. And a setting our characters must adhere to, despite not knowing what it is. Secret rules never work out well.
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was your last response.

You haven't made good on that statement, which, in my experience makes you no different than anyone who's ever argued with me or anyone else on this site.

Now, I hate to do this without the authority to do so but...

Shut up! This has only gone on as long as it has because of the constant excuses your making that you're "testing" Scion. I've had experiences with Scion in the past. She's not incompetent as a GM or a player. You're not giving a scrap of evidence that you answered any questions that they gave you. It's not that hard to screenshot things.

Now, can we please get back to fun roleplaying and stop arguing about stupid stuff!
 
BackSet said:
Here's an idea: Stop arguing. You said this post

was your last response.

You haven't made good on that statement, which, in my experience makes you no different than anyone who's ever argued with me or anyone else on this site.

Now, I hate to do this without the authority to do so but...

Shut up! This has only gone on as long as it has because of the constant excuses your making that you're "testing" Scion. I've had experiences with Scion in the past. She's not incompetent as a GM or a player. You're not giving a scrap of evidence that you answered any questions that they gave you. It's not that hard to screenshot things.

Now, can we please get back to fun roleplaying and stop arguing about stupid stuff!
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..... Now he wants to aruge even more.....

Why would cause the OOC thread to be lit ablaze even more so!!! (Everything you said is true. BTW)
 
I don't know why Xel wants to continue with this pointless argument, since he is going to get himself reported by someone. -_-
 
BackSet BackSet

Okay. Dive into the sun & hug Noble! (Looks at the blazing ball that burns powerful through space and smiles at you.) I can throw you there.
 
Blackrose7 said:
I don't know why Xel wants to continue with this pointless argument, since he is going to get himself reported by someone. -_-
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Oh trust me, I've seen this before. It's gotten to the point where I can recognize certain patterns. I Won't say what patterns this one has because it will only fan the flames more.

The
Rage said:
BackSet BackSet

Okay. Dive into the sun & hug Noble! (Looks at the blazing ball that burns powerful through space and smiles at you.) I can throw you there.
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no need. *tornados into the sun*
 
Xel said:
Alright I'm gonna open up with "this is my last response", only reason I'm even replying to you is because I like you and genuinely want to make my position known to you. Otherwise I'd just leave it with my reply to Scion. But even then, can only take it so far and based on your post, you don't much care to continue so yeah, last one.



That's the thing that I've been trying to explain. I didn't keep it vague, it just wasn't relevant so I never even gave it any thought. It's like demanding people to tell you what type of tree their bow is made out of, how taught their string is, how many arrows their quiver can hold. Nobody cares about this level of detail so nobody even thinks of it. The gun wasn't the focal point of my character. It was just a throwaway piece of gear so he can plink at the golems and dragons. I EXPLICITLY stated as such. So it's me keeping "vague" as much as someone is being "vague" by just saying "I have a greatsword" and not listing it's specific details. The details that actually mattered I either answered or said "it depends on the setting". For example, is the gun magical? Ideally no, I said as much. But maybe the setting requires it be maigtek to function like final fantasy. Or maybe it just allows for good old industry. I don't know because there's no setting to reference, thus I can't answer this question. I made all this abundantly clear, yet somehow Scion took this as to mean "It has infinite ammo".




I did say it was flintlock like, however it's fantasy. More importantly, it's fantasy roleplay. And I'm not gonna sit there shoving gunpower and cartridges into my gun for 30 seconds between shots. Thus it's more revolver-esque in terms of it being able to fire off multiple rounds in quick succession. I SAID ALL OF THIS on discord. So stop acting like I didn't. I didn't give any hard answers because Scion flat out said she has no authority over it and there's no setting to reference. So it's all up in the air without the word of god, aka you. But what I can give, I did. So seriously, stop pretending like I refused to answer questions. I just didn't answer them to her satisfaction because, again, there's no setting. So if your GM's not authorized to make final verdicts, nor is she capable of telling me which would work in the RP, what answer do you expect me to be able to give? With no setting to work with and a GM that can't actually make a call on anything, what concrete numbers am I suppose to give you?



When she askd questions that were relevant, and answerable, I answered. I said, multiple times, OBVIOUSLY it requires reloading. Magazine capacity would be dependent on the setting. Can the setting support actual magazines? Are they clips? Are they revolvers? Do they have quick-slot cartridges like D&D? It all goes back to there's no setting to reference, thus I can't give you the details you want. I gave what I could. I told her it's reloaded and has a few shots. It baffles me that you demand more from me when you never even made a setting for me to reference.

Also, you're lucky I like you. Because "this requires effort" is such a terrible argument. It requires effort from all sides, including the GMs. And when the GM asks for minutia that nobody else has to answer in a roleplay with no setting to reference, thus making concrete numbers impossible. That might be effort, but it's bad effort.



Say that in a month. It's easy to say when your RP's two days old. Tell me that in a month. Also I'll skip over the rest of your patronizing insults because it's just hilarious reading them when I've been in SEVERAL of your roleplays without any complaint from you. Yet, apparently, I don't fit your criteria for a preferred player.

It's even more hilarious that you decry someone for wanting to see if something's worth the investment. I bet you're the kinda guy who shames someone for wanting to test-drive a car before buying it, huh? I mean, who cares about your standards? Who cares if it's safe and reliable. Maybe you should just buy it instead of testing it. Brah. You have a co-GM that couldn't accept the, albeit kinda vague, answers given despite those being the best answers available given the lack of any actual information for this RP. Yeah, that's gonna cause problems moving forward. And I'd rather it cause problems at the start than midway through.





I man, /shrug. It's unfortunate since you're one of the GMs who's passed my test in the past. But oh well, nothing I can do about it.

As for your views on GMs. You say that, as a GM. But no, 99% of roleplays die because the GM can't handle it. You're not wrong, I'm not completely disagreeing with you. The players keep a RP alive too. Hell one of my current RPs literally had the GM just vanish into thin air and we, the players, kept it going. But a bad GM KILLS roleplays. Happens time and time again. You can point to any random person on this site and they'd be able to tell you about a RP they were in that died because of an incompetent GM.

Players are important, but you can lose players without the RP dying. You can have a bad player that needs to be removed without a roleplay dying. You CAN'T have a roleplay with an incompetent GM without the roleplay dying. So while both sides are important, it's ertainly not 50/50. And I do test the other players. Not to the severity of the GMs. But I'll find ways to find out their viewpoints and whatnot. Because you're right, everyone's important. But the LEADER is the most important. Doesn't usually matter what kind of playerbase you have if the leader is bad.

And "give the GM a questionnaire"? So if I gave Scion a questionnaire asking "If you're the GM of a settingless roleplay that hasn't even a single rule or lore behind it and, thus, players can't give you concrete numbers and can only give you vague impressions as to the end goal of their work. Would you accept that? Or throw a tantrum and kick them from the discord?" She'd have answered with "I'd throw a tantrum and kick them from the discord"? Somehow I doubt that.

The entire point is to see how the GM deals with difficult situations. While I don't go so far as to be a troll, I will be exacting. That's why I DID answer her questions to the best of my ability. Does it have to be reloaded? Yes. How many rounds can it hold? Dunno, for all I know Birdsie might dictate only single-shot flintlocks are allowed, I don't know what kind of ammo capacity is acceptable in the setting. Etc etc.

I'll end on this note, and a bit of repetition. I like you, you're generally a decent GM from the rp's I've been in. Never had any complaints about you. But ALL of this stems from you making a RP that has no setting and having a co-gm that can't give concrete decisions without you and has no setting to reference. Scion couldn't even tell me if guns were allowed. It was wishy-washy "Well maybe Birdsie will?" So, useless, literally a useless response. What TYPE of firearms are allowed? Again, no concrete answer from Scion. Do firearms even exist? Are they magitek? Are they flintlocks? Do we have M16s? Who knows! Scion sure as fuck didn't. How powerful are guns in the setting? We have magic, it's high fantasy, so some adventurer in enchanted titanium armor surely shouldn't fear a gun. Should they? Again, WHO KNOWS!? Nobody. And that's a big problem.

So you can decry my testing, that's fine, to each his own. Probably why you go through 9 RP's in 9 months. Blind trust doesn't net you lasting results usually. But don't have a co-gm who doesn't have the authority to make decisions on their own. And don't have a settingless roleplay that promotes itself as "freedom" while having a fairly restrictive, generic fantasy setting. A setting NOBODY KNOWS ABOUT. And a setting our characters must adhere to, despite not knowing what it is. Secret rules never work out well.
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Listen. I don't care about your standards and am too busy right now to write up a full response, so I'll give you what I can give you.

I've GMed a superhero roleplay in the past, got bored of it, and the players kept it going without my input for over half a year. Twenty-two pages of character sheets, where I stopped accepting or reviewing them early on. Over fifty pages of OOC dialogue between players. No GM input for over 90% of the roleplay, yet it kept going for this long; 624 pages. It also got an additional IC region from the amount of players which kept going for the admittedly short span of fifteen pages, but still happened.

That isn't the only case. One of my first ever roleplays, Tyranny of King Valerian, had exceptionally patient players who worked together. It lasted for over a hundred pages, had an actual ending, in that the players destroyed the big baddie and the plot concluded, and then it had an entire franchise of spin-offs that ended similarly and that are still going on today. Did I mention I stopped having active input after the end of the first roleplay?

And then is the original Guild of Heroes which was the best roleplay I've ever been in and lasted long similarly to the above examples.

This was very early in my GMing experience, when I had zero idea of what I was doing. The reason these roleplays lasted so long wasn't because I was a good GM, because I was a shitty GM, a shittier player, and an extremely shitty writer. They lasted because the players had the willpower to make them last.

Don't believe?

Evidence list:
I'll Fight Knowing Nobody Knows My Name! - Superhero\Villain RP
Tyranny of King Valerian - A Fantasy GroupRP (Closed and Over)

I can't find the original Guild of Heroes because there were too many sequels since then, but I think you can take the word of my players for what I said.

Now that you've read this.

Please.

Explain to me again, how a good GM is 99% of the roleplay?

Players are what matters. And you're a bad player, because instead of either removing something unnecessary when asked to or making details for something we're skeptical about accepting, you argue for an hour.
 
BackSet said:
Oh trust me, I've seen this before. It's gotten to the point where I can recognize certain patterns. I Won't say what patterns this one has because it will only fan the flames more.

The

no need. *tornados into the sun*
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I had to deal with a similar problem before, and I just left that rp.
 
Okay how about we all just calm down and move on

This is becoming way to hostile and pointless and all the last two wasted pages show is that if this continues it will never end until someone finally just gives up, even though their opinion hasn't swayed the tiniest bit

So please I'm begging everyone can we please just stop talking about this before this horrible crater or a OoC gets worse?
 
GamerKitty205 said:
Okay how about we all just calm down and move on

This is becoming way to hostile and pointless and all the last two wasted pages show is that if this continues it will never end until someone finally just gives up, even though their opinion hasn't swayed the tiniest bit

So please I'm begging everyone can we please just stop talking about this before this horrible crater or a OoC gets worse?
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I think everything haS- nope! Not going to invoke murphy!
 
Now, time to make things better! Giant tornado of friendship and love activate!

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