MarinesThePsychoticReaper
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Greetings everyone. Today I wanted to discuss with a lot of other people, things that happened during WW2. That we could question, exchange our opinions about and Theorize. This thread will be controversial for many people but I'd like to have all the participants to have an open mind. WW2 was a conflict that was lead to by many things. Therefore we cannot blame only one side based on some things. We need to look into the origin of some things. Without further Ado. Let's begin, shall we?
Thoughts on the sides:
All Major sides of the conflict were bad. Why would you ask? Let me explain a bit.
Nazis started the war yes. (Not to mention brought Holocaust into EU but on that in a second.) However, the result of the Third Reich being created in the first place was because of misunderstandings and hard feelings after the war. A lot of this could have been prevented if the Treaty set by the allied forces was different. The lack of communication between the sides after the war also didn't fix anything. Drowning Germany in hard feelings after the war. It took one man to say stop to this nonsense and soon most of Germany followed. At the time Poland has been warning England that Germany is getting a large militarized force and that they should strike before it gets too powerful. England, as well as France, ignored the matter completely resulting from the Third Reich in starting the war with the march through Poland. (Why Poland was targeted in the first place instead of Allied forces country? Well, that is because Adolf was afraid that if they would make a rush for France. They would leave their back completely open to attacks from Poland. So in order to not give Poland a reason to strike them first they would do it themselves. Polish military was under equipped to even try and attack Germany. That's why Poland asked for assistance on the matter. )
Communists(Russians.) weren't as good as people draw them to. During their march through Poland, their army has robbed, raped and even killed innocent civilians. (Killed only the ones which tried to resist one of the two. Which keep in mind that polish people didn't have much as their country has been torn by the war.) (Also Russia signed a Treaty with Germany that half of the Poland would be theirs. Which Adolf broke later on with blitzkrieg tactics going straight for Russian land. This still doesn't change the fact that they agreed upon splitting Poland into two for their own gain.) Let's not mention created by Joseph Stalin order No.227 which lead to counter attack of the Blitzkrieg tactics at the cost of human life. Which mattered very little. Resulting in insensitive approach towards their own citizens that were elected to be soldiers. Also, let's not forget about the worst War crime possible on people on Poland. On 5 March 1940. In Katyn's Woods, about 21 700 people have been executed by the ZSRR. 10 thousand of them were officers of Military and Police. The rest were reserve draftees. A lot of them were normal citizens but in the end, they have been called "The Enemy of ZSRR." There were a lot of more cases of this. On 27th January. In the small town of "Przyszowice", 69 people have been killed. Age varying from 10 to 78 years, Including the French and Hungarian citizens that escaped "KL Auschwitz". All of this happened because The Red army thought it was already on German land and the command didn't care how the citizens under enemy rule were treated by their own army.
There were a lot more incidents in history revolving around this during the Communist rule in Poland after the war. Like for example the times of Martial law initiated by the Politicians which were influenced by Russia. Of which were cases of Miners being executed for creating a demonstration to fight for better pay rights. But enough about Communism for now.
Let's back track on the topic of Germany again. During their holocaust program in Poland. Not only Jews went to Concentration camps. Polish citizens that weren't killed on the spot for any sort of resistance was send to those. Where they wouldn't get any diffrent treatment from any normal Jews.
There was also an order set secretly by Chief of Gestapo Heinrich Müller. On the march of 1944. Which revolved around Catching the escapees from any concentration camp and send them back to Mauthausen-Gusen to have then Executed. Which was against the Geneva Conventions. This is only the tip of the mountain.
Finally on the topic of Allied forces. The only response to the War was only made when England had their pants on fire due to the German aircraft attacks. Resulting in the Battle of Brittan. Which could have been prevented if the allied forces would have responded to the matter immediately instead of ignoring it till the last second. Not to mention constant covering up of Poland's achievements in the attempt to discredit their efforts in the war. Which was pretty big considering that some of the best pilots that have defended Brittan during the battle of Britain were in fact polish. Not to mention that after the war Poland has been just handed out to Russia (ZSRR at the time) leading it to have a period of time on communist rule. They fucked up the least in my opinion. Although the fact that Churchill made good attempts to Discredit polish effort in the war and the fact that nobody cared what happends to poland after the war was really cold coming from the side poland tried to help the most while they couldn't help themselfs.
That's all i got to say right now. If you have anything to add, Ask or theorise about. Post down below.
(Refrence links that aren't in polish. Mauthausen-Gusen concentration camp - Wikipedia Heinrich Müller (Gestapo) - Wikipedia )
Thoughts on the sides:
All Major sides of the conflict were bad. Why would you ask? Let me explain a bit.
Nazis started the war yes. (Not to mention brought Holocaust into EU but on that in a second.) However, the result of the Third Reich being created in the first place was because of misunderstandings and hard feelings after the war. A lot of this could have been prevented if the Treaty set by the allied forces was different. The lack of communication between the sides after the war also didn't fix anything. Drowning Germany in hard feelings after the war. It took one man to say stop to this nonsense and soon most of Germany followed. At the time Poland has been warning England that Germany is getting a large militarized force and that they should strike before it gets too powerful. England, as well as France, ignored the matter completely resulting from the Third Reich in starting the war with the march through Poland. (Why Poland was targeted in the first place instead of Allied forces country? Well, that is because Adolf was afraid that if they would make a rush for France. They would leave their back completely open to attacks from Poland. So in order to not give Poland a reason to strike them first they would do it themselves. Polish military was under equipped to even try and attack Germany. That's why Poland asked for assistance on the matter. )
Communists(Russians.) weren't as good as people draw them to. During their march through Poland, their army has robbed, raped and even killed innocent civilians. (Killed only the ones which tried to resist one of the two. Which keep in mind that polish people didn't have much as their country has been torn by the war.) (Also Russia signed a Treaty with Germany that half of the Poland would be theirs. Which Adolf broke later on with blitzkrieg tactics going straight for Russian land. This still doesn't change the fact that they agreed upon splitting Poland into two for their own gain.) Let's not mention created by Joseph Stalin order No.227 which lead to counter attack of the Blitzkrieg tactics at the cost of human life. Which mattered very little. Resulting in insensitive approach towards their own citizens that were elected to be soldiers. Also, let's not forget about the worst War crime possible on people on Poland. On 5 March 1940. In Katyn's Woods, about 21 700 people have been executed by the ZSRR. 10 thousand of them were officers of Military and Police. The rest were reserve draftees. A lot of them were normal citizens but in the end, they have been called "The Enemy of ZSRR." There were a lot of more cases of this. On 27th January. In the small town of "Przyszowice", 69 people have been killed. Age varying from 10 to 78 years, Including the French and Hungarian citizens that escaped "KL Auschwitz". All of this happened because The Red army thought it was already on German land and the command didn't care how the citizens under enemy rule were treated by their own army.
There were a lot more incidents in history revolving around this during the Communist rule in Poland after the war. Like for example the times of Martial law initiated by the Politicians which were influenced by Russia. Of which were cases of Miners being executed for creating a demonstration to fight for better pay rights. But enough about Communism for now.
Let's back track on the topic of Germany again. During their holocaust program in Poland. Not only Jews went to Concentration camps. Polish citizens that weren't killed on the spot for any sort of resistance was send to those. Where they wouldn't get any diffrent treatment from any normal Jews.
There was also an order set secretly by Chief of Gestapo Heinrich Müller. On the march of 1944. Which revolved around Catching the escapees from any concentration camp and send them back to Mauthausen-Gusen to have then Executed. Which was against the Geneva Conventions. This is only the tip of the mountain.
Finally on the topic of Allied forces. The only response to the War was only made when England had their pants on fire due to the German aircraft attacks. Resulting in the Battle of Brittan. Which could have been prevented if the allied forces would have responded to the matter immediately instead of ignoring it till the last second. Not to mention constant covering up of Poland's achievements in the attempt to discredit their efforts in the war. Which was pretty big considering that some of the best pilots that have defended Brittan during the battle of Britain were in fact polish. Not to mention that after the war Poland has been just handed out to Russia (ZSRR at the time) leading it to have a period of time on communist rule. They fucked up the least in my opinion. Although the fact that Churchill made good attempts to Discredit polish effort in the war and the fact that nobody cared what happends to poland after the war was really cold coming from the side poland tried to help the most while they couldn't help themselfs.
That's all i got to say right now. If you have anything to add, Ask or theorise about. Post down below.
(Refrence links that aren't in polish. Mauthausen-Gusen concentration camp - Wikipedia Heinrich Müller (Gestapo) - Wikipedia )
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