General Discussion [Dreams of the Third Age]

Myllinnia said:
I believe a roll off is usually done by Essence rolls. (Especially in the case of most things that had no roll to create such as LSD.)
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That's correct when two Perfect effects conflict.
 
WarDragon said:
That's correct when two Perfect effects conflict.
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Correction: Only when there isn't a clear attack/defense. Sometimes non-combat effects are actually labeled attacks for this reason, but in this scenario it definitely appears to be a roll-off.
 
LSD/ESM let me actually give you a basic run down:


to put it crudely, EBD hacked the Loom and this charm allows the user to take on 'new' form, like the sidereal wearing destiny, someone pretending for example to be a butcher, would have his destiny written by the pattern spiders and when they get rid of said disguise, pattern spiders cries out in horror, realizing that they have been duped. ESM for all purposes make you appear like anything magic wise, like an infernal using ESM could pretend to be a db and for all purposes someone reading their aura would see a dragon blooded and even build him the appropriate destiny.
 
In this roll off, let see:


Seeker: Perception+Awareness+Permanent Essence Auto sux


vs


Ludek: Permanent Essence auto sux +Intelligence+Larceny


Willpower can be used to add more successes.
 
Okay then. 4 perception +4 awareness= 8 dice +6 auto sux. Burning 2 wp for +2 sux.


8 dice makes 10 sux, WTF?!?! 10 roll sux +6 auto sux +2 wp sux= 18 sux total


Edit: New roll. 5 sux+1wp+6 essence= 12 sux.


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Seeker, although this is really up to GBat, I think you should start using either Invisible castle or the new on site roller for your rolls, the new local one is much better than the last and it has Exalted dice as well.
 
[QUOTE="MaHaSuchi's700]Esbilon
Suhiko can't see Crow. She can probably guess he's there by that unbearably creepy sensation that someone is present and since he was with them right until she and the Count entered the Temple, but she has no means of perceiving him.

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Ah, right. Ignore her introducing him then.
 
Goddamnbatman said:
In this roll off, let see:
Seeker: Perception+Awareness+Permanent Essence Auto sux


vs


Ludek: Permanent Essence auto sux +Intelligence+Larceny


Willpower can be used to add more successes.
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Just clarify if whole thing becomes heated I may concede defeat without any contest (don't want to stir trouble) to this whole detection thing.


I want to know effective/ineffective my disguise attempts are in this game so following arguments are coming form concern how effective my PC in his spy role as whole and not just in this situation (I fear that my disguise thing may be gimped beyond any serious usability).


By rule as I understand them in case charm conflict with one charm without having specified what to roll there is rule in Infernals pg. 101 (section called 'charm conflict') and believe in case of LSD/ESM it makes my roll 2xEssence instead of Attribute+ability , not sure if changes what to roll in case of opposing charm with well defined attribute+ability to roll. I made my PC with this rule in mind so if you want to not use it I ask for permission to change my PC (I want him good at this) and clarifying what attribute+ability I have to roll ( ie. is there possibility to roll anything else besides Intelligence+Larceny)


BTW Solar charms call for roll of Manipulation or Wits +Larceny


There is question of beefing disguise charm with excellency I believe it's possible to do it at activation time but now I'm unsure about how you rule it so please clarify (by default Moor persona being one of main one is fortified to best of my PC ability)


There is also matter that LSD/ESM is prefect effect vs mundane detection (excellency by itself doesn't count) to have chance of piercing it one has to have magical sense. As I skimmed Essence sight(and other magical senses) gives to contest essence dice vs auto success of disguise effect and IMO its justified because side being disguised plays needs to win all contests during when it's being disguised to keep it's cover. So IMO putting hiding charm on equal footing with detecting charm (one capable to it causally) is mistake since it makes disguise attempts pointless if casual check has 50% chance of fail (assuming all else equal) besides disguised side need few successes of advantage(it's artifact how dicepolls work in Exalted) to achieve any kind of reliability and not make disguise suicide run (in hostle environment) and pointles in general terms.


There is also effect that bust LSD/ESM easily 'Eye of unconquered sun' I believe but it's rather pricey and it's obvious (so it gives possibility to evade it). Any buffing of casual detection capability makes this charm pointless/redundant. This whole argument stems form you granting essence success ordinary detection effect.


Anyway he is dice roll in way you asked: 6(from essece) + 3 from roll =9 succ.


not sure if you allow this (I asked about his) and how much I can add up to +6 (from excellency) +1 from willpower made during charm activation.


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Alright, let see, think to make it more in the spirit of the charm:


It's LSD/ESM user [Essencex2] + Essence auto successes vs opponent [attribute or ability+essence; most likely awareness+essence for most exalts.]


For seeker of the end, I would recommend to just make an upgraded version of your charm for more powerful effect, as frankly reading glimpses through the veil again is too mundane to even apply to ESM. Your other effect which pierces through disguises is a touch effect(As in you need to shake hands and stuffs) and obvious.


Still tho Ludek, LSD/ESM are far from being absolutely perfect tho, they still have the illusion keywords, which is probably the biggest weakness of that charm. In my personal opinion, LSD shouldn't be an illusion effect to begin with. Maybe a custom high level charm or heretical charm to remove the illusion tag from that charm would make it what it should be.


For now, I'm going to say that Ludek disguise still apply and will think about it during the weekend.
 
Posted up Xentair dropping the accusation. I'll just say that Xentair knows that something off but he's a bit confused by the LSD and ESM combo. So he will withdraw his accusations but keep an eye on Ludek.
 
You really don't have any basis to say that Xentair knows anything from what I can see. I mean I get that that is what you want for the character, but you are running up against more powerful effects from a character that wants to be able to play a game of disguises. There is no reason you should get to trump his effects unless you have other reasons for suspicion. Which I am not saying you couldn't find/intuit if you took the right approach, it just seems like too big of a step for what's been posted.


edit: also, it would help if charms used were stated in ooc spoilers rather than 'I do magic'
 
You're right. Sorry I jumped the gun, I got to excited to try out my new charms that I acted like an arrogant asshole. I almost ruined the game for Ludek in the process. My deepest apologies to all players of this game...
 
At least we are all adult enough to work past any mistakes like that. Lets all just have fun with the game and get to posting!
 
Gbat the plan is to pop into Yushan, tell my minions to get Isli and office, then pop right out of Yushan into the middle of Rathess next to the gate so we can unite the party and make the thread one big happy family. Did you want to type up some flavor text for yushan, or did you want me to handle that?
 
@Seeker of the End


No problem and regarding if our PC saw each other, I don't think so based on your remark about infernal thing .. my PC never was there (just showed during year for initial training and then went AWOL). So our PC's don't know each other.


@ other DT


If you want to know my PC's natural face, just state so in reply to this message (I'll note it and put it somewhere in my PC background). It will mean that we saw/meet each other during Verlan's initial training in hell.


@Goddamnbatman


I know LSD/ESM has weankness. But since I don't know who can exploit it, I can do little to mitigate that danger, beside not using charm with is pointless since it's probably most versatile tool in my toll-box.


BTW, Just thought about it (after remark about illusion keyword): Perfect of Paragon has artifact that makes him immune to illusion effects if I remember correctly, so he is aware of Moor charade, he is not playing this knowledge yet because there is no point is using it when relations/dealing with Moor are good/profitable. My PC is unaware of this problem.
 
I probably saw you then, but didn't pay you any particular attention unless you did something to make yourself stand out to me. So you're safe here.


GDBat: could I get a reply so I can get caught up with the others...? Waiting on an NPC at the moment.
 
WarDragon said:
I probably saw you then, but didn't pay you any particular attention unless you did something to make yourself stand out to me. So you're safe here.
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He was another Infernal Exalt. There are only 50 of those, and they have the power to remake Creation in their image, paying attention to each and every face would make a lot of sense.
 
WarDragon said:
I probably saw you then, but didn't pay you any particular attention unless you did something to make yourself stand out to me. So you're safe here.
GDBat: could I get a reply so I can get caught up with the others...? Waiting on an NPC at the moment.
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Will do tonight, no worries.
 
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