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[Xel]

Ok, I'm back after cooling off.
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If it’s definition one we're right, if it's definition two you're right. It's literally worded so it could be either one.
Also @CrimsonEclipse could be Nicholes if LostHaven is ok with it.

Except in this context they both end up being the same thing. Whether you use definition one or two, it's the same result.

If you view the 'or' as to mean alternatives, then the end result is.... she can't transform into organisms or people larger than her.

If you view the 'or' as to be linking a synonym the end result is.... the exact same thing.

So I STILL don't understand what's confusing you guys.

 

[QuirkyAngel]

she can't transform into organisms or people larger than her.

Okay, I see where the miscommunication is. Organisms include people.

This translates to (as I read it) she can't transform into (people, animals, living beings) or people larger than her.

 

[Arne]

All this time that could be used posting wasted in discussing the functionality of a skill that isn't even relevant to the situation. Smh.

 

[QuirkyAngel]

Ok, I'm back after cooling off.
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If it’s definition one we're right, if it's definition two you're right. It's literally worded so it could be either one.
Also @CrimsonEclipse could be Nicholes if LostHaven is ok with it.

Yes. Though the second def requires commas. You can also replace it with 'otherwise known as'

 

[QuirkyAngel]

All this time that could be used posting wasted in discussing the functionality of a skill that isn't even relevant to the situation. Smh.

Enjoys debates more than Yugioh talk.

 

[Xel]

Okay, I see where the miscommunication is. Organisms include people.

This translates to (as I read it) she can't transform into (people, animals, living beings) or people larger than her.

Yes, that's what I said. Organisms include people, however you could take it as being redundant for the sake of clarity that it does, indeed, include people. As many shapeshifting abilities limit you to just animals or something.

But regardless of whether you view it as just added specification, or just a grammar blunder, the end result remains the same hence why I (even still) don't understand the confusion. Since even if we take it as being redundant, that 'beings' is unnecessary as organisms covers it already, the result remains unchanged.

 

[Arne]

Enjoys debates more than Yugioh talk.

Silly girl, debate implies that the other party is listening.

 

[QuirkyAngel]

Yes, that's what I said. Organisms include people, however you could take it as being redundant for the sake of clarity that it does, indeed, include people. As many shapeshifting abilities limit you to just animals or something.

But regardless of whether you view it as just added specification, or just a grammar blunder, the end result remains the same hence why I (even still) don't understand the confusion. Since even if we take it as being redundant, that 'beings' is unnecessary as organisms covers it already, the result remains unchanged.

Yes, I said I understood the intention of the skill. I'm not confused in that regard.

Using or for redundancy requires commas. Otherwise, it sounds like the 1st definition of or to many readers.

 

[QuirkyAngel]

Silly girl, debate implies that the other party is listening.

You should hear the debates I have with my brother about anime stuff.

 

[Xel]

Yes, I said I understood the intention of the skill. I'm not confused in that regard.

Using or for redundancy requires commas. Otherwise, it sounds like the 1st definition of or to many readers.

But even if it is the first definition the result remains the same... So I don't get why this debate even started?

 

[Arne]

You should hear the debates I have with my brother about anime stuff.

You can't debate with a sibling. That's called verbal dueling instead. Only ends when someone is either dead or the reputational equivalent of it.

 

[Arne]

But even if it is the first definition the result remains the same... So I don't get why this debate even started?

You're the one who started it, lmao.

 

[Xel]

You're the one who started it, lmao.

If you wanna be technical. It started with Din saying it only applied to objects and me correcting that she could also shapeshift into living things.

 

[QuirkyAngel]

But even if it is the first definition the result remains the same... So I don't get why this debate even started?

Haha, re-reading the skill and I still don't get it. If you go with the 1st definition it literally says she can't transform into oganisms (living beings). That contradicts with the intention of the skill.

Lol, I don't know why it started. It just did. I suppose stubbornness has something to do with it. I desire to understand.

 

[Xel]

Haha, re-reading the skill and I still don't get it. If you go with the 1st definition it literally says she can't transform into oganisms (living beings). That contradicts with the intention of the skill.

Lol, I don't know why it started. It just did. I suppose stubbornness has something to do with it. I desire to understand.

No, it says she can't transform into organisms that exceed her mass. You're ignoring the last part of the sentence.

It'd be like me saying "I can't drink tea or coffee without a straw" and then you saying "so you can't drink tea or coffee", there's a qualifier there.

 

[QuirkyAngel]

It'd be like me saying "I can't drink tea or coffee without a straw" and then you saying "so you can't drink tea or coffee", there's a qualifier there.

And if we go with the 1st definition then I read the blue and red independently.

If I go with the 2nd definition, I assume blue = red.

 

[LostHaven]

What the fuck did I walk into...?

 

[wdinatx]

No, it says she can't transform into organisms that exceed her mass. You're ignoring the last part of the sentence.

It'd be like me saying "I can't drink tea or coffee without a straw" and then you saying "so you can't drink tea or coffee", there's a qualifier there.

That analogy probably would have had a bigger impact if you used it earlier. My interpretation of your position has been changing with every post of yours.

 

[QuirkyAngel]

What the fuck did I walk into...?

Just ignore it.

Like I did with the Yugioh talks

 

[wdinatx]

What the fuck did I walk into...?

A verbal duel.

 

[Xel]

And if we go with the 1st definition then I read the blue and red independently.

If I go with the 2nd definition, I assume blue = red.

I feel like you're misunderstanding what the word 'or' means. Because under the first definition my sentence means 'I can't drink EITHER drink without a straw'. You're right in that they're independent, they're separate. Tea and coffee are two separate drinks. But BOTH of them can not be drunk without a straw.

You're reading it as if the qualifier only applies to the part that comes after the word 'or', and that's simply not how it works in English.

 

[Arne]

If you wanna be technical. It started with Din saying it only applied to objects and me correcting that she could also shapeshift into living things.

I mean, if you wanna speak about grammar she can indeed only transform in objects? Like, from the moment the first sentence made the affirmation that it allows her to transform into objects and followed it with a dot, it had already sort of restricted it to objects only. Whatever came after that could only be used to expand upon the initial ability to transform into objects that was defined by the initial sentence. If anything, the whole confusion comes from the fact that organisms/beings were mentioned at all, as they logically shouldn't appear in the description after it was already restricted to "objects" only.

Then again, lexically objects can indeed apply to people, so in the end it just doesn't fucking matter and it was all a waste of time.

 

[LostHaven]

So... If I get this right, you're all arguing about somebody else's Rider, and it somehow exploded into this???

Like I did with the Yugioh talks

ssshhh I'm still salty because I lost 2 games in a row to my little brother's broken-ass deck

 

[wdinatx]

So... If I get this right, you're all arguing about somebody else's Rider, and it somehow exploded into this???

Yep.

 

[QuirkyAngel]

I feel like you're misunderstanding what the word 'or' means. Because under the first definition my sentence means 'I can't drink EITHER drink without a straw'. You're right in that they're independent, they're separate. Tea and coffee are two separate drinks. But BOTH of them can not be drunk without a straw.

I agree with you. Therefore when I read the Rider sentence, it says BOTH organisms and people larger than her can't be transformed into.