News CNN caught staging Muslim protest.

[RIPSaidCone]

If you'd actually paid attention, you'd notice that I conceded that point already. It's a closed discussion point you're bringing up for basically no reason.


But by all means, continue throwing out mischaracterizations and snide comments. Those will surely lead to a healthy and robust conversation about the current sociopolitical climate and wont at all send the thread in to a downward spiral of pointless yelling and name calling.

inb4 threadlock, as the kids say.

I'm very capable of having a intellectual discussion, I just can't be bothered rn.

Also I enjoy seeing that one guy who has to just make his sentence look as smart as possible for whatever reason. Congrats, you have shown everyone how intellectual you are. Inb4 "this is just how I talk"

 

[JayTee]

I'm very capable of having a intellectual discussion, I just can't be bothered rn.

If you can't be bothered, why are you even in this thread?

Also I enjoy seeing that one guy who has to just make his sentence look as smart as possible for whatever reason. Congrats, you have shown everyone how intellectual you are. Inb4 "this is just how I talk"

I know right? I truly am an intellect of the highest degree. Thank you for recognizing as such. It's always a burden being this smart and having no one to appreciate it. I think you're my new best friend!

 

[RIPSaidCone]

If you can't be bothered, why are you even in this thread?


I know right? I truly am an intellect of the highest degree. Thank you for recognizing as such. It's always a burden being this smart and having no one to appreciate it. I think you're my new best friend!

Intelligent and hillariously sarcastic? You must be the supreme human.

Since it clearly shows that you can be bothered with this, to help, when it comes to sarcasm don't try so hard. Normal sarcasm makes anyone seem like an ass for obvious reasons though the overly exaggerated sarcasm you just employed to try and irritate me makes you seem like both an ass and incredibly cringy. (I also condemn the use of that word so it does show.)

I couldn't be bothered in making a few paragraphs about my thoughts on it like I usually would, so I just made a quick one and had some brunch, but you took it a bit too close to heart.

 

[Fable]

Please remember to be constructive. While certain subjects are sure to bring out strong opinions, going into the realm of insulting/demeaning each other will result in thread closure.

 

[Imperator_tenebrae]

"But Snopes is Liberal" say every right-winger who's proven wrong.

I can easily say that towards liberals who write off any resource remotely right-leaning or that does not completely fit their narrative as bias or right-wing propaganda. So knock off the petty flame baiting.

Snopes is a site that debunks urban legends, myths and Hollywood tabloids so I can understand why would one be a little skeptical on this very political subject.

 

[I I I I I I]

I feel skeptical of a raw accusation presented with insufficient context. I watched the video and found no problematic themes; peaceful demonstrators asking media outlets to film or photograph them isn't uncommon. I assume they hit the streets because they wanted to publicize their support, and it follows that they naturally capitalized on the available news coverage.

BBC and METRO also reported this event. It was orchestrated by LONDON FATWA COUNCIL, a lawful organization dedicated to advocating for women trapped in abusive marriages.

 

[Lycanthrosis]

Fair warning: if you're here to try and speak to people, and you're hoping to maintain a reasonable, balanced position on matters, you will be sorely disappointed.

(This is just what I've gathered after catching up on what I've missed)

 

[Jackstack]

I can easily say that towards liberals who write off any resource remotely right-leaning or that does not completely fit their narrative as bias or right-wing propaganda. So knock off the petty flame baiting.

Snopes is a site that debunks urban legends, myths and Hollywood tabloids so I can understand why would one be a little skeptical on this very political subject.

No, they do a multitude of fact-checking, and fake news is, guess what, myths, urban legends, and with Trump, Hollywood tabloids. Snopes has never came out to any political leaning. The difference between Snopes and sites such as Bretibart, the Blaze, and Buzzfeed, Snopes doesn't push a narrative. I have seen articles proving and disproving both sides of the aisle. So, no, it's not "petty flame baiting", just typical crap I hear from the right.

 

[Axel The Englishman]

And this is why I'm glad to be on the fence, 'cause there's a pile of shit to land in on either side.

 

[Hall Kervean]

I did my research, and for the record, this claim is decidedly untrue. Black Sun , it's irresponsible to spread false information.

SOURCE

They may not have staged the protest, which I agree was unlikely, but the shot was staged. That's what's important.

I feel skeptical of a raw accusation presented with insufficient context. I watched the video and found no problematic themes; peaceful demonstrators asking media outlets to film or photograph them isn't uncommon. I assume they hit the streets because they wanted to publicize their support, and it follows that they naturally capitalized on the available news coverage.

BBC and METRO also reported this event. It was orchestrated by LONDON FATWA COUNCIL, a lawful organization dedicated to advocating for women trapped in abusive marriages.

The original tweeter noted they were switching white police officers out with asian ones. It's just generally frowned upon to interfere in such matters.

I'd like to chip in and say this is how I look at it:
CNN TYT MSNBC=Untrustworthy left. Maybe another position to look at.
ABC CBS PBS BBC NBC=slightly left-leaning, keep potential bias in mind but otherwise generally trustworthy.
Fox Breitbart=Another position to look into, but definitely biased, should keep in mind.
Info Wars=Entertainment and comedy.

Basically, no one is without bias.
But the closest thing to unbiased lean left, so to get another opinion we have to jump over to to Fox.
That's a problem.

Personal quest; any slightly right leaning or truly unbiased news media, anyone?

 

[Imperator_tenebrae]

No, they do a multitude of fact-checking, and fake news is, guess what, myths, urban legends, and with Trump, Hollywood tabloids. Snopes has never came out to any political leaning. The difference between Snopes and sites such as Bretibart, the Blaze, and Buzzfeed, Snopes doesn't push a narrative. I have seen articles proving and disproving both sides of the aisle. So, no, it's not "petty flame baiting", just typical crap I hear from the right.

Well I'm glad you think it is a credible source but I am sick and tired of the fear mongering from the rabid and irate left. You guys just need to calm down be the adults in the room and wait out until the next election cycle without burning another city to the ground. All hear from other media outlets anymore is chronic whining and moaning that Trump did this, Trump is Hitler, blah blah blah. My God, even the right did not belly ache and whine this much when Obama won his second term. Get a fucking grip. If the "zomg it's fake news" is supposedly the worst the right can do at this point then why bitch about the sources when clearly the left leaning media is under so much well deserved scrutiny? What are you afraid of?

 

[Lycanthrosis]

Well I'm glad you think it is a credible source but I am sick and tired of the fear mongering from the rabid and irate left. You guys just need to calm down be the adults in the room and wait out until the next election cycle without burning another city to the ground. All hear from other media outlets anymore is chronic whining and moaning that Trump did this, Trump is Hitler, blah blah blah. My God, even the right did not belly ache and whine this much when Obama won his second term. Get a fucking grip. If the "zomg it's fake news" is supposedly the worst the right can do at this point then why bitch about the sources when clearly the left leaning media is under so much well deserved scrutiny? What are you afraid of?

The right definitely did enough of their own belly aching when Obama was initially elected though.
Let's not pretend that they didn't nitpick over any really tiny thing they could cry over.
Some of it was even hilarious (like Obama wearing a tan suit).

Why don't we all just quit it with the identity politics in general?
Any form of dogmatism is just toxic..

 

[SliceThePi]

This is blowing up all over the internet. For the young minds here that watch the mainstream media: don't believe everything you see.



https://twitter.com/markantro/status/871419204846669825

Oh nooooo, someone's trying to convince members of ISIS that what they're doing is wrong! They're clearly left-leaning, better whine about how they're staging a protest!

 

[Jackstack]

Well I'm glad you think it is a credible source but I am sick and tired of the fear mongering from the rabid and irate left. You guys just need to calm down be the adults in the room and wait out until the next election cycle without burning another city to the ground. All hear from other media outlets anymore is chronic whining and moaning that Trump did this, Trump is Hitler, blah blah blah. My God, even the right did not belly ache and whine this much when Obama won his second term. Get a fucking grip. If the "zomg it's fake news" is supposedly the worst the right can do at this point then why bitch about the sources when clearly the left leaning media is under so much well deserved scrutiny? What are you afraid of?

What you just said applies to the right in every way possible. Before Trump was elected, I could have said the exact same thing about the right. "Let's go out an buy every gun imaginable because, there might me a futile attempt to pass a bill the will require universal background checks." or "Let's protect a criminal and bully's land with guns because he won't pay what he owns. Then we'll call the law enforcement jack-booted thugs, but after a few years, we'll act like we weren't the ones cop bashing.". All I heard from the right was, "Obama's going to take our guns, Obama is going to tax us 90%, Obama is a Muslim, Obama wasn't born in America, Obama did nothing but Golf." and on and on. The right fear mongered way more than the left, and guess what, showed Obama being burned and hung. Why bitch that the left is bitching about Trump ,when he is under so much well deserved scrutiny? What are you afraid of?

 

[FTR]

I've noticed the most reoccurring arguments being made here are

"This doesn't conflict with my personal views so I don't see a problem."

"But X group also does thing so that makes Y doing it OK."

"The stance of the group I identify with is better than yours and you're just attacking/defending them based on bias."

Is it impossible to agree that one side did something a bit unethical and the other side blew it out of proportion?
I mean no one should be able to deny the fact this exact scenario has played out roles reversed and then reversed again hundreds of times.
Like when people tried to say Pence wanted to make people ride the lightning based on their sexuality.
Denying and accusing never helps anything.

 

[Windsock]

I just hate CNN, and...

Wait...

That's it!

Talk about a light load!

 

[Hall Kervean]

What you just said applies to the right in every way possible. Before Trump was elected, I could have said the exact same thing about the right. "Let's go out an buy every gun imaginable because, there might me a futile attempt to pass a bill the will require universal background checks." or "Let's protect a criminal and bully's land with guns because he won't pay what he owns. Then we'll call the law enforcement jack-booted thugs, but after a few years, we'll act like we weren't the ones cop bashing.". All I heard from the right was, "Obama's going to take our guns, Obama is going to tax us 90%, Obama is a Muslim, Obama wasn't born in America, Obama did nothing but Golf." and on and on. The right fear mongered way more than the left, and guess what, showed Obama being burned and hung. Why bitch that the left is bitching about Trump ,when he is under so much well deserved scrutiny? What are you afraid of?

Mk, this is my take on what you've said.

Spoiler

First, just to be a jerk, we can't buy ever weapon imaginable that's illegal :3 Nor is it even a good idea to. Lol RPGs for all Americans.
Secondarily, there's a 50% chance that anyone saying "stock up on guns cuz Obama's gonna take 'em all" was a joke, and a 49% it was from a paranoid right-winger that no one really took seriously. Even if you did take it seriously and start stocking up on guns, it really just means you're a criminal because universal background checks shouldn't actually affect you much. If you're a criminal then it would though.

That first sentence actually confuses my simple mind. So... I'll try and interpret it and respond to that interpretation. If my interpretation is wrong, then there is a very good chance my response is also wrong.
Let's protect a criminal and bully(where does bully come in)'s land with guns (it's his land if he owns it, it's not if he doesn't, which is unlikely since stealing land is more difficult than other theft.)(Is there some neighborhood militia taking watches on criminal/bully's land? Is this... while he's in prison so he can readjust to life when he gets back? Or is this to protect him against some vendetta or something?), because he won't pay what he owns.(? this is a very confusing way to phrase that.) (I'll take it that he stole things. I'm pretty sure the right isn't defending his... :3 "right" to steal things, nor are they defending the things he stole from their rightful owners. Looks like they're defending the person so he doesn't sustain physical harm. Which is justifiable.)
Second sentence, never heard right say that. If they did, I don't know why. On the surface, well, that's not defendable, but they may have been discussing some certain case. And even if we were hostile towards them, we didn't plan to suddenly support them (possibly more). But when the left went from pro cop to anti-cop, we stayed the same, and automatically became less anti-cop then the far left, which is what's publicized.

Obama's going to take our guns was a joke, fam. There's no way he could actually walk over and take them. It would be completely stupid. Given a few decades of (only) liberals in office, some small encroachments during each president, and a will to do so, there's a possibility they could eventually do it. But there's no way Obama could, and it's highly unlikely that there will ever be a dynasty long enough and anti-gun enough to actually disarm Americans.
Obama taxing us to 90%... never heard of it. If it's talking about all Americans, again, jesting exaggeration meant to simply highlight the economy. If it's taking about the rich, then that may have been a legitimate claim. Obviously if it was the latter it would have been fear-mongering, since he didn't, but it looked that way from the biased position of the conservatives. If it was the former it was a joke, since obviously Obama wouldn't actually do that.
Obama is a muslim is maybe 50% joke, 50% fear-mongering conspiracy theory. Barrack Osama did Benghazi.
Obama not being born in America was a legitimate concern. Just like, if there was one, a Russian investigation into Trump would be a legitimate concern, even if it came up with nothing. I'd like to legitimately dispute you on this, purely because that fact was a legitimate concern. Did that concern go on a bit long? Undoubtedly. When there's still some seriousness with the plea 8-9 years after it was brought up, then that's crossing fear-mongering into idiocy.
Oh no, Obama's playing golf. I don't even see how this one's fear-mongering; he's obviously not. It's completely a joke. There's not any legitimate claims with that that I know about, and if there are, you may bring popcorn.
Ok, first of all, Obama and Trump being burned in effigy is actually something I support. It is an act of free speech to burn something in effigy. The left has done it, the right has done it, the people in the 1700's did it. It is not wrong to burn things in effigy from my standpoint. That's why I don't criticize anyone burning Trump in effigy. That may be an unpopular opinion, but it's one I hold. Strangely enough, burning the American flag is one of the few things that I would consider as triggering for me, since it's an act of disrespect for millions of people who fought and died to protect the freedoms that Americans possess.
Hanging, ehhh... it's iffy, but since that's not a public method of execution really used anymore, it's not that bad.
Beheadings and stabbings are, which is why Kathy Griffin and that one play is getting criticized. Shooting goes along the same lines. I wouldn't want to watch someone stabbing, beheading, or shooting Hillary or Obama or almost anybody in effigy.
ON THE OTHER HAND, since hanging was a method of lynching, which took place against black people, and it was being done in effigy of a black person, it would have more of an impact than if it were against Trump. So the right may have been kind of unwise in that one, I'll give you that. Unwise.
First off, because innocent until proven guilty. Just because he's under scrutiny for something doesn't mean he's done it. I could turn around and say Hillary shouldn't have been in the race because she was under well-deserved scrutiny, and possibly more deserving than Trump. If proven guilty, Trump would have a few cases of sexual offenses and such, while Hillary would have high treason for endangering the United States of America.
Second off, what? Why are we annoyed that the left is actually holding riots in cities and endangering individuals solely because Trump won (ANTIFA) when the right didn't stage major riots that destroyed cities solely because Obama won? Ooh, or why are we annoyed that the left has been screaming Russia since election night? Then as soon as Comey dismantles that claim, they completely shift their focus and (by definition as of yet falsely) accuse Trump of obstruction of justice? And no matter what, they will not accept that Trump is president?
Before you scream bias and say Obama's birth certificate, I'd like you to know that it wasn't a major news story filling headlines for six months.

Another reason is the fact that ANTIFA, an organization that seems to solely want to attack Trump supporters (who they label as universally Nazi and fascists) and silence them, is not widely criticized by those outside the right. Sometimes they punch Trump supporters or independent videographers:



Sometimes they try and shut down free speech:

And on their subreddit, they tried to organize to be able to get combat training and bring guns to Berkeley.
http://www.theblaze.com/news/2017/0...firearms-after-losing-the-battle-for-berkely/

What the right is afraid of is them not going punished for what they're doing. Sometimes they do, sometimes they don't. That's what we're afraid of. Not that we won't be able to destroy the rights of nonwhites and nonmales, which isn't something the right even wants to do. But that even under Trump people will continue to call many right-wingers racist homophobic cisgender transphobic white supremacist Nazis who are Islamophobic anti-Semitic sexist misogynistic KKK supporters, and then people taking action to silence our "hate speech" (our differing opinions). The suppression of freedom of speech.
Also the continued oppression of the Kekistani people. #FREEKEKISTAN

Keep in mind that this is my opinion and may not be entirely supported by all Republican party members.

 

[Vorkaysus]

Ever heard of 'Fake News?' yeah, here's your proof people, whine all you want, guess what, Trump was right, now stop blaming him for your ham sandwich tasting bad.

 

[Jackstack]

The first sentence has no reverence to my comment, I never mentioned anything about restricting, legislating, or banning guns. From my prospective, as a gun owner in West Virginia, I went to Cabelas and I can tell you with a 100% fact, people were buying guns because of both Obama and Hillary. I can tell you, most of those people weren't saying it as a joke. Gun sales spike because of Obama, and most gun stores on my area stocked up on ammo and guns because everyone thought Hillary was going to win. I was talking to my gun dealer (not the criminal kind), and he said he has so much unsold inventory because of Trump. People are saving up to buy their guns now. TheYankeMarshall did a fantastic video on YouTube on what I'm talking about. As a gun owner, I think other guns owners just paranoid that a bill will pass or even get on the floor. Let's face facts, if Sandy hook didn't convince people to restrict guns, then nothing will. It was just more fear mongering to get people to buy more guns and to keep it that way.

That wasn't a arbitrary idea that I came up with. I was referencing the Cliven Bundy vs BLM (Bureau of Land Management), who the government was trying to collect fees and other things of that nature. He felt that he was above the law and could do whatever the hell he wanted. He used public land for feeding his cattle, and one even killed a woman who was driving her car, the cattle was on the freeway. Just look up the Bundy Standoff and you'll get multiple videos related to this subject, from pro-gun and anti-gun alike. Now, a few gun YouTubers have gone to stop supporting Cliven because of the information that came up against him. Here's my problem, the right-wing gun owners came out in full force. They had their guns and were ready to kill any federal officer that was there to face off with Cliven. There was also several other standoffs that have connection to the Bundy standoff, but the Bundy Standoff is where you could say that there were several just "normal" gun owners, and not the far right ones. The other ones, like the one in Oregon, was orchestrated by more of the crazier section. My problem with the conservatives here is this, they went from saying "These Federal Agents are a bunch of thugs who should be shot." as they held their gun close. To, "These people can do nothing wrong, so what if that person was unarmed, he could have been, shoot him anyway." and sorry, you can't deny that there was been several cases like this. Since police corruption has been protested by the left, the right has gone to the other side of the table, because now police corruption went from a right wing issue to a left wing issue. Don't say something like, "It should be both side's issue.", that's not the argument at hand.

You may have believed that Obama had no chance of taking away the guns of the American People, but guess what, a lot and I would argue the majority did. That's why the Bundy stand off took place, because many of them thought it was the final step into the action of taking the guns away. Sorry, for the majority of gun owners, the fear that there would be a successful attempt to ban guns was real. The NRA used that almost as a rallying call, it was a fear tactic that worked. Also, that is the theme for every conspiracy theorist that believes that the mass shootings were staged. "It's a false flag to take our guns", and it goes on to this day. There was no joke in that, well, only people who thought it was ridiculous statement, but hardly anyone on the right thought that.
Ask any conservative, Obama was out to take every single dollar you earned. Ask them, his main goal was to make everyone poor so they's have to rely on the government. Ask them, he was a full bred socialist who wanted to ration food, to seize the means of production, and basically take any income they had. Every southerner who live in the rural areas, believed this. It was non-stop, they actually believed that he was going to do this. Then they would blame the "Entitled" millennials that elected him in the first place. Saying, "They only wanted to leach off of my back.".
Obama not being born in the U.S is not a legitimate concern, it's a dumbass position/argument. So, you're telling me that there was this mass conspiracy by the Federal Government, the DNC, the electoral college, and every other system in place, to keep the American public from knowing Obama was not born in America? There has been no evidence, his confirmation that he was born in the U.S. has been proven over and over again. I mean, just say it out loud, it sounds like a ridiculous statement. I'm not saying Trump has connections to Russia, but there was a concern that the Russians really wanted him to win, and would do anything to do it. Not saying it's true that they did, just saying from what it looked like, it was a concern. The Obama issue was just some wacky conspiracy theory that was fueled even by out president. Most of the right criticized Obama for Golfing, they said that he was golfing, rather than leading this country their way.They said that he was wasting do much money on golfing. I heard, "Why should the American people pay for his vacation, when he's not even doing anything.", then when Trump does it, it is seen as a good business practice and Obama was just being lazy. It's how stupid they look now that Trump is doing it. Why did ever conservative and their dead mother come to basically crucify Kathy Griffith? Why was there no outrage when, there were horrible things being said by celebrates about Obama? So it's free speech when right wingers do it, but when the left does it, it's high treason. And you can get bent out of shape all you want about the American flag. It's a right, and it has to be respected, (I don't mean you have to approve of it, just accept it.). It is our right, as it pertains to free speech (They consider it symbolic speech). They have the right to burn the American Flag all they want. First off, you don't give me anything, so saying "I'll give you that" means nothing to me. It won't make me suddenly think, "If he agrees with one thing, then I'm forced to agree with one thing of his.", and let's be honest, that's the main reason why people say that. That whole comment was meant to be a mockery of the original guy I was arguing with. I never said he was guilty, I said that he has well deserved criticism, JUST LIKE THE MEDIA. That was the context is which that statement was said. I never said he was guilty of anything, I was saying if you're going to scrutinize the media, then we have the right to do the exact same thing to Trump. And the left? First you say all the left, then you go on the say "ANTIFA", which is it, every left-leaning individual, or just ANTIFA? Riots are a small part of the larger conversation that's trying to be had. But since Riots are more interesting, that's what we choose to focus on. We are protesting Trump because he's throwing any logic or reason to the wind. When most of the world agrees that Climate Change need to be addressed and you say "Fuck That" just for profit, then we have a major problem. If you tell our allies that they need to "Pay their Fair Share" , which would put the U.S. at a strategic disadvantage because we need them, then we have a problem. Stop acting like we're just protesting because he refuses to accept that there are more than two genders. The same thing happened with Hillary, when Benghazi was proven to just be a powderkeg waiting to happen, and he was warned before he got over there, then they moved onto the Email scandal. Stop acting like Trump is some special snowflake who's the only who gets this treatment. So those are the major headlines that was on the air for more than six months and we had to deal with in the election. And just because we accept that he's the president doesn't mean we'll stop protesting his bullshit. We're not all of a sudden going to say, "He's the president, so what's the point.", accept that people are not just going to fall in line and just take it for the next four to eight years.

With those videos, you not pointing out anything new. We know those kinds of things are going on, but the right does the same thing, the Trump supporter who punched a protester. When the right winger attacked the Planned Parenthood clinic. And guess what, in the last video, I have no problem with that woman standing there, yelling at him. Because they both are on public space. I disagree with them being forced out, but if you're going to protest, you have to expect the opposite side to come at you too.

 

[MrBossMan]

And guess what, in the last video, I have no problem with that woman standing there, yelling at him. Because they both are on public space. I disagree with them being forced out, but if you're going to protest, you have to expect the opposite side to come at you too.

Free speech means your allowed to express your ideas....freely. You shouldn't get shouted down because of that.

Hate to be the one to tell you this Jack, but your wrong.

 

[Jackstack]

Free speech means your allowed to express your ideas....freely. You shouldn't get shouted down because of that.

Hate to be the one to tell you this Jack, but your wrong.

Well, I guess if you say so Boss. Yeah, no, before he was forced out, it was just a woman yelling. She wasn't pushing him out, and she wasn't attacking him physically. He's expressing his views and so is she, she's just doing a better job at vocalizing it. If you can't handle it, then you shouldn't protest.

 

[MrBossMan]

Is that seriously your point of view? Does civility mean nothing to you?

 

[Jackstack]

Is that seriously your point of view? Does civility mean nothing to you?

Is that seriously your point of view? Listen, it becomes uncivil when you push and attack people to prove your point. If he wanted to make sure that his voice was heard, he would have yelled even louder, "This woman's an idiot".

 

[Fable]

As this thread cannot be kept constructive or civil, it is being locked.