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Neither. My change is that in a final battle, asher and Rodrick are both killed, but the Whitehill are also broken, and Ryan goes free. He becomes the new lord. So current Forrester trace their line to Ryan.
 
ArisenMoon said:
Neither. My change is that in a final battle, asher and Rodrick are both killed, but the Whitehill are also broken, and Ryan goes free. He becomes the new lord. So current Forrester trace their line to Ryan.
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Then yes, I really hold that point of view, DEATH TO THE FORRESTERS! THE IRONWOOD IS OURS!
 
WanderingJester said:
We'll see what happens, that might make Celena confused most likely and things to be awkward between them, worst case scenario she just panicks and shuts him down right then and there xD  
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Never the less if he never tries anything he will lose without even a chance to compete so its kind of ethier he tries or he gives up and moves along
 
Hypnos said:
I don't know, doing nothing has been doing wonders for Ser Laenor.
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He had a chance to crown her


 thats actually a sore spot that Lewyn has since he won the melee but in his mind it got his feelings no kind of recognition from the person he liked while Laenor won the joust and got to crown her despite the fact he see's swordplay as harder especially since in the melee you don't  face your opponents one at a time. It was actually recently brought up rp wise in his thoughts as wandering likely saw when Laenor was mentioned by Cellena.
 
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Akio said:
He had a chance to crown her


 thats actually a sore spot that Lewyn has since he won the melee but in his mind it got his feelings no kind of recognition from the person he liked while Laenor won the joust and got to crown her despite the fact he see's swordplay as harder especially since in the melee you don't  face your opponents one at a time. It was actually recently brought up rp wise in his thoughts as wandering likely saw when Laenor was mentioned by Cellena.
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You want to crown her Queen of Love and Beauty, then join the joust and do it. It was not luck that landed him that chance, it was skill and experience and whilst Lewyn may consider himself the greatest swordsman in the realm, which for all it matters may or may not be true, he'll have to take to horse back to achieve his goal. You can mock it all you want, but you're still going to have to try.
 
Hypnos said:
Is Lord Greyjoy interested in the great Ironwood groves of the North? Perhaps steps could be taken to ensure that he only makes his ships out of the finest of lumber...


The Forresters may have signed away their Ironwood but the Whitehills would never trade away their groves!


Because we don't have any : (


Happy late Birthday!


The Whitehills will not sit idly by whilst their birth right is squandered and pillaged by the Forrester menace. It is not only a matter of business, it is also a matter of pride.


It's not called stealing if you are taking back what is rightfully yours in the first place.
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Ironwood would be lovely.


Mayhaps the Royal Fleet would enjoy some of the best and most experienced sailors and warriors from the iron islands working for them?
 
Hypnos said:
You want to crown her Queen of Love and Beauty, then join the joust and do it. It was not luck that landed him that chance, it was skill and experience and whilst Lewyn may consider himself the greatest swordsman in the realm, which for all it matters may or may not be true, he'll have to take to horse back to achieve his goal. You can mock it all you want, but you're still going to have to try.
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As he admitted to the princess hes no Jouster. If he could take as sand steed into a joust and not being put into a disadvantage by not being able to wear armor then he would try. Remember hes Dornish so he spent most of his life riding Sand Steeds before he went to Essos and started riding warhorses and even then he wasn't riding full tilt in a joust but learned mostly from mercenaries and experience itself in battle. He just doesn't have the experience of a jouster. And he doesn't think himself as the best, i know he considers Martyn with Oathkeeper in his hands as his superior and few others he assumes his equal or possible superior such as well known war generals or other duelists though his experience with fighters in Westeros is relatively limited to Dorne where he is the best sword by a strong degree, though he got a taste of some swordsmen in the tournament at the rock. Lewyn is actually not that all particularly cocky as a fighter, though he likes to believe hes better then Velyron 
 
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Lancelot said:
Ironwood would be lovely.


Mayhaps the Royal Fleet would enjoy some of the best and most experienced sailors and warriors from the iron islands working for them?
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If it is Ironwood you desire then you may want to get in talks with Lady Whitehill, it would be an honour to work with a people known for their skills in woodwork and ship building.


Lord Velaryon considers Lord Vickon and old friend, I'm sure such arrangements can be made.

Akio said:
As he admitted to the princess hes no Jouster. If he could take as sand steed into a joust and not being put into a disadvantage by not being able to wear armor then he would try. Remember hes Dornish so he spent most of his life riding Sand Steeds before he went to Essos and started riding warhorses and even then he wasn't riding full tilt in a joust but learned mostly from mercenaries and experience itself. He just doesn't have the experience of a jouster. And he doesn't think himself as the best, i know he considers Martyn with Oathkeeper in his hands as his superior and few others he assumes his equal or possible superior such as well known war generals or other duelists though his experience with fighters in Westeros is relatively limited to Dorne where he is the best sword by a strong degree, though he got a taste of some swordsmen in the tournament at the rock. Lewyn is actually not that all particularly cocky as a fighter, though he likes to believe hes better then Velyron 
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And that my friend is where him and Ser Laenor differ, Laenor views himself as better than no man, and is thankful to the seven for all the days they have granted him in this realm. When you are out fighting for king and country it is hard to get hung up about who is better than whom and other such nonsense.
 
Hypnos said:
If it is Ironwood you desire then you may want to get in talks with Lady Whitehill, it would be an honour to work with a people known for their skills in woodwork and ship building.


Lord Velaryon considers Lord Vickon and old friend, I'm sure such arrangements can be made.


And that my friend is where him and Ser Laenor differ, Laenor views himself as better than no man, and is thankful to the seven for all the days they have granted him in this realm. When you are out fighting for king and country it is hard to get hung up about who is better than whom and other such nonsense.
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Part of his attitude towards Laenor is admittibly jealousy. He never met Laenor, only time he ever saw him was in the joust where he crowned Celena and since then has just felt that Laenor simply has everything he wanted and that the relationship he might want with Celena and that even though he left almost immediately afterwards he could feel his shadow over his talks with Celena from that point on in thier messages and possibly even Tibers attitude towards his relationship with his sister since he was trying to form bonds between the Lannisters and Laenors family. It doesn't help hes just a bit shy relationship wise as well so these feelings have been just been stewing for almost a year
 
Hypnos said:
If it is Ironwood you desire then you may want to get in talks with Lady Whitehill, it would be an honour to work with a people known for their skills in woodwork and ship building.


Lord Velaryon considers Lord Vickon and old friend, I'm sure such arrangements can be made.


And that my friend is where him and Ser Laenor differ, Laenor views himself as better than no man, and is thankful to the seven for all the days they have granted him in this realm. When you are out fighting for king and country it is hard to get hung up about who is better than whom and other such nonsense.
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Getting in contact with both is preferable.  Hopefully Vickon can secure House Greyjoy a place on the small council and Balon can write some nice letters to Lady Whitehill.
 
WanderingJester said:
Wow, color me impressed.  Here I thought he would just pull down his pants in front of her, grab his shaft and go "you know you want some of this greenlander girl!" xD  
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Save that for the bedroom.  Papa bear has Dalton on his best behaviour for the wedding.  And Victarion and Dalton will be wearing their kraken armour to look imposing :)
 
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Lancelot said:
Save that for the bedroom.  Papw bear has Dalton on his best behaviour for the wedding.  And Victarion and Dalton will be wearing their kraken armour to look imposing :)
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Fun fun.  Well, well, Lord Velaryon even managed to get the Ironborns acting courteously.  I've got a world of new respect for the man now xD @Hypnos
 
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All this talk of taking away and selling the Forrester Ironwood by the Whitehiils, what if the Forresters secure the support of a Targaryen Prince?
 
Akio said:
Part of his attitude towards Laenor is admittibly jealousy. He never met Laenor, only time he ever saw him was in the joust where he crowned Celena and since then has just felt that Laenor simply has everything he wanted and that the relationship he might want with Celena and that even though he left almost immediately afterwards he could feel his shadow over his talks with Celena from that point on in thier messages and possibly even Tibers attitude towards his relationship with his sister since he was trying to form bonds between the Lannisters and Laenors family. It doesn't help hes just a bit shy relationship wise as well so these feelings have been just been stewing for almost a year
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It's good to know that despite having never met Lewyn, Laenor has left such an impression on his cousin.

Akio said:
Right now hes speaking to Rae so wait your turn xD


Btw whos controlling the Tullys?
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@TheTraveller Still needs to finish the character sheets.
 
Hypnos said:
It's good to know that despite having never met Lewyn, Laenor has left such an impression on his cousin.


@TheTraveller Still needs to finish the character sheets.
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Honestly if they met much less Lewyn, I have no idea what Lewyn would say to him. Be awkward as shit though


Aegon needs friends so he needs to talk to all the lord paramounts at least once
 
Akio said:
Honestly if they met much less Lewyn, I have no idea what Lewyn would say to him. Be awkward as shit though


Aegon needs friends so he needs to talk to all the lord paramounts at least once
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I'm sure ti wouldn't be that awkward, Laenor is a perfectly pleasant person.
 
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