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[TheFordee20]

This gets brought up A LOT,


But who are the top fighters in this role play as of right now?

 

[WanderingJester]

Been awhile since we all screamed at each other over top ten lists and tiers. I'ma bring it back, but I am super rusty on ASOIAF lore. Mistakes may be made. 


Top Ten Most Skilled Fighters;

1. Barristan the Bold (Barristan the not too old to steal your gold)
   
2. Jaime Lannister
   
3. Arthur Dayne
   
4. Khal Drogo (as a fighter and on martial skills alone, he's god tier. Equipment and fighting Westerosi/European styled opponents? Not so impressive)
   
5. Rhaegar Targaryen (Stood on a comparable level to Barristan in the Tilt, Jaime thought he was a good swordsman, as well)
   
6. Oberyn Martell
   
7. Ser Garlen Tyrell (Skills comparable to Ser Loras, but fights against multiple opponents)
   
8. The Black Fish (Got hype enough to give Jaime a legendary battle)
   
9. Ser Loras Tyrell (Compared to the Prodigious and Young Jaime Lannister)
   
10. Qyuran Half Hand (A Legend Beyond the Wall, and for good reason
    

Top Ten(-ish) Warriors of the Recent Age;

1. Prime Robert Baratheon (Monster with a warhammer even Ned couldn't pick up for long periods of time. Fast, powerful, and a slightly downsized Mountain but with more cognitive functions)
   
2. Prime Barristan the Bold (One of the most skilled warriors in the world, ballsy and not totally reliant on his armor or weaponry, as shown when he killed two gold cloaks with his bare hands)
   
3. Jaime Lannister (Used as a measuring stick for all young men who appear to show great skills and natural strength when it comes to dueling and being a swordsman.)
   
4. The Mountain / Sandor Clegane (Roughly equal in my mind, for different reasons. Both fight like savage, wild men. Whereas the Mountain has rudimentary skills as a knight, Sandor is a more developed, and weaker version of Robert who's especially deadly thanks to his rather wild nature in battle.)
   
5. Arthur Dayne (Sword of the Morning, spoken highly by nigh everyone, Most likely on par with a young Barristan the Bold or a Prime Jaime Lannister - sans the experience. Big downfall for me and probably what led to him getting backstabbed. 
   
6. Oberyn Martell (Even ignoring the poison, he's fast enough and skilled enough with a spear that in single combat, he's probably going to beat you. In a battle his flamboyant style is less effective, but then so are most of these characters.)
   
7. The Black Fish (While everyone here can probably say they would make a legendary match for Jaime, this hype always stood out to me. He never so much complimented Sandor or the Mountain that way, acknowledging that he'd have to be careful when fighting them, and he never gave Loras so much of praise. The only person who received something comparable would be Barry, Rhaegar, and the Black Fish. And we know he was close to/admired two of them for most of his life.
   
8. Garlan Tyrell (For the reasons I listed above. He's less of a mounted fighter, Loras' specialty, but he has comparable if not greater skills to his cousin(brother?) who was compared to the young and ambitious Jaime Lannister)
   
9. Rhaegar Targaryen (On horse back, he was able to match and then beat Barry. He was a late bloomer, to our knowledge, when it came to seriously fighting and yet he covered what would've been years of training to surpass 90% of the kingdoms knights. Regarded as one of the best knights out there.)
   
10. Ser Loras (Good hype, known as his generations Jaime Lannister, essentially. Though he's inexperienced and reckless, with a knack more for the tilts and horse riding, instead of battle.)
    
11. Syrio Forell
    
12. Victarion Greyjoy
    
13. Eddard Stark
    
14. Bronn 
    
15. Jorah Mormont
    
16. Mance Rayder
    
17. Qyuran Half Hand
    

I think Ned, his older brother and his father were all pretty good fighters, but that's just speculation and possibly faulty memory.


Prime Robert is a monster, and imo can probably run straight through Arthur Dayne 1v1.

 

[JPTheWarrior]

Jaime would lose against Oberyn and Khal (in my opinion). And  [COLOR= rgb(152, 157, 160)]Arthur Dayne [/COLOR]

 

[WanderingJester]

Jaime would lose against Oberyn and Khal (in my opinion). And  [COLOR= rgb(152, 157, 160)]Arthur Dayne [/COLOR]

Martell would go down if he didn't have poison.  Will probably agree about Khal though; Martin made him and the Dothraki stupidly strong in canon for some reason.

 

[TheAncientCelt]

This gets brought up A LOT,


But who are the top fighters in this role play as of right now?

The same old people. The boring people. People not named Viserys. 

I think Ned, his older brother and his father were all pretty good fighters, but that's just speculation and possibly faulty memory.


Prime Robert is a monster, and imo can probably run straight through Arthur Dayne 1v1.

I'd put them at above average for a Westerosi Warrior, like Bronn. Cat describes Bronn as one of the most skilled people she's seen, in GoT. Likewise, the non-combative Ned Stark was able to stand his own against Jaime for a bit. Both are, at worst, top 20.

Jaime would lose against Oberyn and Khal (in my opinion). And  [COLOR= rgb(152, 157, 160)]Arthur Dayne [/COLOR]

Khal Drogo loses to Brienne of Tarth, yet alone Jaime. Armor and weaponry is a big factor. Oberyn. . I dunno. Maybe he can use superior reach. Just don't see it happening normally. 

 

[WanderingJester]

The same old people. The boring people. People not named Viserys. 


I'd put them at above average for a Westerosi Warrior, like Bronn. Cat describes Bronn as one of the most skilled people she's seen, in GoT. Likewise, the non-combative Ned Stark was able to stand his own against Jaime for a bit. Both are, at worst, top 20.


Khal Drogo loses to Brienne of Tarth, yet alone Jaime. Armor and weaponry is a big factor. Oberyn. . I dunno. Maybe he can use superior reach. Just don't see it happening normally. 

That's fair, you mean Ned's brother and father?  The ones that got killed by the Mad King and started Robert's Rebellion right? (Those were the ones I was talking about)


Mhmm, armor does a lot.  I doubt Oberyn is really good without poison tbh.

 

[JPTheWarrior]

Oberyn is really fast. Jaime isn't as we see him fight against a slow opponent like Ned. And I think Jaime was going to lose against Ned if it wasn't for the soldier to attack the Lord Stark from behind.


As for Khal Drogo, without a weapon, he killed one of his best fighters. The way he easily dodges against a short and fast weapon shows how good he is. Jaime wouldn't win against him. Even if Drogo doesn't have armor.


Oberyn without poison is bad? I dont agree

 

[TheAncientCelt]

That's fair, you mean Ned's brother and father?  The ones that got killed by the Mad King and started Robert's Rebellion right? (Those were the ones I was talking about)


Mhmm, armor does a lot.  I doubt Oberyn is really good without poison tbh.

He fought in the pits in Essos, started his own Free Company, and is known for his fighting skills (poison more so, but still). I think Oberyn's skilled enough to fight and beat enough top tier characters to put him in the top ten. Don't see a Tyrell beating him, at the very least. 

 

[TheAncientCelt]

Oberyn is really fast. Jaime isn't as we see him fight against a slow opponent like Ned. And I think Jaime was going to lose against Ned if it wasn't for the soldier to attack the Lord Stark from behind.


As for Khal Drogo, without a weapon, he killed one of his best fighters. The way he easily dodges against a short and fast weapon shows how good he is. Jaime wouldn't win against him. Even if Drogo doesn't have armor

:l


Jaime losing to old, tired Ned?


Armourless, poorly equipped Drogo fighting on foot, against Kingsguard Jaime Lannister? 


I strongly disagree with your. . Outcomes. 

 

[WanderingJester]

Oberyn is really fast. Jaime isn't as we see him fight against a slow opponent like Ned. And I think Jaime was going to lose against Ned if it wasn't for the soldier to attack the Lord Stark from behind.


As for Khal Drogo, without a weapon, he killed one of his best fighters. The way he easily dodges against a short and fast weapon shows how good he is. Jaime wouldn't win against him. Even if Drogo doesn't have armor

Jaime killed 20 men in one charge at Whispering Woods to get to Robb, and would've likely ended the war right there if his sword didn't get stuck in a body.


I think you're seriously mistaken about just how fast Jaime Lannister is in combat.

He fought in the pits in Essos, started his own Free Company, and is known for his fighting skills (poison more so, but still). I think Oberyn's skilled enough to fight and beat enough top tier characters to put him in the top ten. Don't see a Tyrell beating him, at the very least. 

Fair enough, I disagree with your last statement though.  I feel that Garlan would give him a very close run for his money (without poison) and might even win.  Loras would get his ass handed to him though, because of overconfidence and because he's Loras.

 

[TheAncientCelt]

Medieval England (Height of the Hundred Year's War) versus The Vale? 


Who would win, if say, England was suddenly transported to the East of Westeros? Only the Vale and England can fight one another. Obviously, otherwise England would be destroyed by sheer numbers. 

 

[JPTheWarrior]

Jaime is a good fighter but a bit slow. Like I said, Ned was a slow due to his age and stuff. But he stood against Jaime and I would believe he would win. As for Khal, he is really fast and his reaction speed is also really high. In close combat, without a weapon, he was able to dodge every single swing from a fast and closed range attack. Drogo might be armourless, but a fast swing of his short sword would surely make Jaime lose his balance or even the fight.


Also why didn't we mention Sir Jorah and Daario?

 

[Hypnos]

Medieval England (Height of the Hundred Year's War) versus The Vale? 


Who would win, if say, England was suddenly transported to the East of Westeros? 

Is England separated by sea still or is it connected to the Vale by land?

 

[TheAncientCelt]

Is England separated by sea still or is it connected to the Vale by land?

It's still an island, but the distance is minimal. Same distance as it is from Ireland today.


Wales wasn't conquered yet, right? Assume they're allied with the English, then. 

 

[WanderingJester]

Jaime is a good fighter but a bit slow. Like I said, Ned was a slow due to his age and stuff. But he stood against Jaime and I would believe he would win. As for Khal, he is really fast and his reaction speed is also really high. In close combat, without a weapon, he was able to dodge every single swing from a fast and closed range attack. Drogo might be armourless, but a fast swing of his short sword would surely make Jaime lose his balance or even the fight.


Also why didn't we mention Sir Jorah and Daario?

I feel like you're going by show Jaime, rather than book Jaime.  Book Jaime is the one that's in the RP, and also since I don't follow the show, I'm going with that one.


He's really, really fast, fyi  

It's still an island, but the distance is minimal. Same distance as it is from Ireland today.


Wales wasn't conquered yet, right? Assume they're allied with the English, then. 

Who are the leaders on each side?

 

[Hypnos]

It's still an island, but the distance is minimal. Same distance as it is from Ireland today.


Wales wasn't conquered yet, right? Assume they're allied with the English, then. 

Depends on the period, if we're going for war of the roses, which is what GoT was based on then I think Wales was part of the Kingdom of England at that point.

 

[JPTheWarrior]

@WanderingJester Well I am talking about the show, Didnt read the books xD But isn't Daario also worth mentioning? 

 

[WanderingJester]

@WanderingJester Well I am talking about the show, Didnt read the books xD But isn't Daario also worth mentioning? 

Well, now then I guess I'll have to defer to others who have watched the show then lol.


Yeah, book Jaime might not be Aemon's speed, but he's still really quick in combat  

 

[TheAncientCelt]

I feel like you're going by show Jaime, rather than book Jaime.  Book Jaime is the one that's in the RP, and also since I don't follow the show, I'm going with that one.


He's really, really fast, fyi  


Who are the leaders on each side?

It's during the War of the Five Kings. Royce, can't remember his name, and Petyr Baelish are the chief authorities. For the English? Uhhh. . .Hrm. . 


Is William the Bastard's corpse able to lead a charge?

Depends on the period, if we're going for war of the roses, which is what GoT was based on then I think Wales was part of the Kingdom of England at that point.

My knowledge on medieval England is sketchy, but yeah. Wales. Part of or allied with England. Who wins?

 

[WanderingJester]

It's during the War of the Five Kings. Royce, can't remember his name, and Petyr Baelish are the chief authorities. For the English? Uhhh. . .Hrm. . 


Is William the Bastard's corpse able to lead a charge?


My knowledge on medieval England is sketchy, but yeah. Wales. Part of or allied with England. Who wins?

You mean William the Conqueror? :|  


Eh, probably.  See, I'm bias, so I'll likely have Richard I or Henry V as King against the Vale.  And of course, with their leadership, England would win (not a steam roll, or easy street, but still victory).

 

[Hypnos]

It's during the War of the Five Kings. Royce, can't remember his name, and Petyr Baelish are the chief authorities. For the English? Uhhh. . .Hrm. . 


Is William the Bastard's corpse able to lead a charge?


My knowledge on medieval England is sketchy, but yeah. Wales. Part of or allied with England. Who wins?

I'm still not sure, British cavalry wouldn't be the best against the mountains of the Vale, though I don't think the Vale would be able to outright conquer Britain either.

 

[Hypnos]

You mean William the Conqueror? :|  


Eh, probably.  See, I'm bias, so I'll likely have Richard I or Henry V as King against the Vale.  And of course, with their leadership, England would win (not a steam roll, or easy street, but still victory).

They didn't call him "Lionheart" for nothing.

 

[TheAncientCelt]

Okay. New question. One I'm more familiar with. 


The Seven Kingdoms right before Robert Dies, versus Rome at its height (early 2nd century roughly)

VS

Westeros is just off the coast of Spain, replacing Ireland, and all that. Very close, and territorial ambitions gets the better of both super nations. IIRC, Rome from this era to thefollow-up century had the capabilities to draw 250,000 legionaires into battle. Not outlandish, considering hundreds of years prior (with a significantly smaller population) Rome fought the Second Punic War losing massive numbers of soldiers constantly, and throwing out armies of monumental sizes (30,000, where 2/3rds died or were captured, and the year or two after that 90,000 at Cannae). Rome during this time period has a total (estimated) population of 60,000,000


Westeros has (from some guess work online via the fan community) a population of 75,000,000, but seems less capable of drawing numbers for their armies, and only a portion of the population will get more than six months to a year of training before fighting their first battle. 

 

[Mion]

Okay. New question. One I'm more familiar with. 


The Seven Kingdoms right before Robert Dies, versus Rome at its height (early 2nd century roughly)





VS





Westeros is just off the coast of Spain, replacing Ireland, and all that. Very close, and territorial ambitions gets the better of both super nations. IIRC, Rome from this era to thefollow-up century had the capabilities to draw 250,000 legionaires into battle. Not outlandish, considering hundreds of years prior (with a significantly smaller population) Rome fought the Second Punic War losing massive numbers of soldiers constantly, and throwing out armies of monumental sizes (30,000, where 2/3rds died or were captured, and the year or two after that 90,000 at Cannae). Rome during this time period has a total (estimated) population of 60,000,000


Westeros has (from some guess work online via the fan community) a population of 75,000,000, but seems less capable of drawing numbers for their armies, and only a portion of the population will get more than six months to a year of training before fighting their first battle. 

Westeros.

 

[WanderingJester]

Okay. New question. One I'm more familiar with. 


The Seven Kingdoms right before Robert Dies, versus Rome at its height (early 2nd century roughly)

VS





Westeros is just off the coast of Spain, replacing Ireland, and all that. Very close, and territorial ambitions gets the better of both super nations. IIRC, Rome from this era to thefollow-up century had the capabilities to draw 250,000 legionaires into battle. Not outlandish, considering hundreds of years prior (with a significantly smaller population) Rome fought the Second Punic War losing massive numbers of soldiers constantly, and throwing out armies of monumental sizes (30,000, where 2/3rds died or were captured, and the year or two after that 90,000 at Cannae). Rome during this time period has a total (estimated) population of 60,000,000


Westeros has (from some guess work online via the fan community) a population of 75,000,000, but seems less capable of drawing numbers for their armies, and only a portion of the population will get more than six months to a year of training before fighting their first battle. 

Rome.  The organizational effectiveness as well as the bureaucratically ran professional army would take out Westeroes fairly quickly.  Especially coming off of the recovery after the victory of the Second Punic War.  Them formations against the disorganization of a medieval army? :|  


That's of course, with a strong leader(s) heading Rome of course.  I had in mind Augustus at the helm or even Tiberius.