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[JustWhipIt]

How good are you at Dragon puns, because there are a lot of minor Targs running around, If you're looking for miscellaneous puns then the small council also has lots of openings.


But it would have been a fair fight, if not a bit lopsided. Trials by combat are an established way of legally settling disputes, if you don't want a massive Goliath smashing your head in then don't do the crime. It's when cheating comes in such as the use of poison that I take issue. 

My dragon puns are at the top of the scale, I assure you. I think I'll settle for a position in the council though.

 

[Field Marshall]

Tyrion was holding the poisoned cup it looked a lot like he did it, any reasonable person would have though him guilty, mayhaps he should have taken the chance to go see the Wall one last time.


Are guns banned in football? I don't think so but it's generally not okay to use them.

There was nothing wrong with Cersi's accusation, it's when the falsehood of the woman's testimony which led to his condemnation is when the foul play began. 


Football isn't a fight to death unless your playing against the guy from the steelers who killed two people. Even then though the poison didn't take effect till after Oberyn was dead meaning when he had Clegane pinned it was by his skill and weapon alone as we know Dornish poison isn't fast acting. 

 

[Obi-Wan Kenobi]

My dragon puns are at the top of the scale, I assure you. I think I'll settle for a position in the council though.

You could go for both and be the Grand Maester.

 

[ailurophile]

@Hypnos just about done with ivana and vaella. if the bios need more work, let me know! cx

 

[Hypnos]

There was nothing wrong with Cersi's accusation, it's when the falsehood of the woman's testimony which led to his condemnation is when the foul play began. 


Football isn't a fight to death unless your playing against the guy from the steelers who killed two people. Even then though the poison didn't take effect till after Oberyn was dead meaning when he had Clegane pinned it was by his skill and weapon alone as we know Dornish poison isn't fast acting. 

I'm not arguing for the fairness of the Westerosi court system here, merely that Oberyn cheated that trial. He may have pinned him down but it is still true that Oberyn lost that trial, and died due to his own arrogance, using poison to kill the man who beat him fairly.


It's also not okay to break someones legs a few days after a football match.

 

[Field Marshall]

I'm not arguing for the fairness of the Westerosi court system here, merely that Oberyn cheated that trial. He may have pinned him down but it is still true that Oberyn lost that trial, and died due to his own arrogance, using poison to kill the man who beat him fairly.


It's also not okay to break someones legs a few days after a football match.

I'm not arguing against Oberyn's arrogance I stated myself that's whay killed him.


You have to also take into account this is a man who raped his sister and then split her in two. If it was solely about the duel then I would say that's pretty cowardly and overboard but he wanted justice for his sister just like the Tyrells wanted to protect Margery. The motives justify means and both notable poison uses have motives that justify the means.

 

[Hypnos]

I'm not arguing against Oberyn's arrogance I stated myself that's whay killed him.


You have to also take into account this is a man who raped his sister and then split her in two. If it was solely about the duel then I would say that's pretty cowardly and overboard but he wanted justice for his sister just like the Tyrells wanted to protect Margery. The motives justify means and both notable poison uses have motives that justify the means.

Gregor was a soldier, he did nothing more than other soldiers would do, perhaps he was brutal but he was effective. He was merely loyal enough to follow orders. There is a differance between killing someone in a war and poisoning someone in a duel.

 

[Field Marshall]

Gregor was a soldier, he did nothing more than other soldiers would do, perhaps he was brutal but he was effective. He was merely loyal enough to follow orders. There is a differance between killing someone in a war and poisoning someone in a duel.

If you were avenging the rape and death of a loved one and wanted to ensure no matter what you'd have your revenge, would you have not done the same. To Oberyn this wasn't about the duel it was about taking vengeance for his sister. Some can see it as poisoning an opponent in a duel but others can see it as doing whatever it takes to ensure you get your revenge.

 

[Hypnos]

If you were avenging the rape and death of a loved one and wanted to ensure no matter what you'd have your revenge, would you have not done the same. To Oberyn this wasn't about the duel it was about taking vengeance for his sister. Some can see it as poisoning an opponent in a duel but others can see it as doing whatever it takes to ensure you get your revenge.

The motives don't matter, the fact is he still cheated.

 

[ACHA]

So Bronn became Lord Commander of the Kingsguard eh? What happened to Podrick?

 

[Hypnos]

So Bronn became Lord Commander of the Kingsguard eh? What happened to Podrick?

Nah, Bronn remained Lord of Stokeworth until his death. The one mentioned is one of his descendants. 

 

[ACHA]

Oh, I thought it was the same one. lel

 

[Field Marshall]

The motives don't matter, the fact is he still cheated.

But the poison didn't even take affect during the duel

 

[Hypnos]

But the poison didn't even take affect during the duel

Yet Gregor died, making it murder in an honourable duel.

 

[Field Marshall]

Yet Gregor died, making it murder in an honourable duel.

It didn't occur during the duel, there was nothing honourable about that duel in the first place. Gregor didn't die he was near death when that weird guy turned him into the lumbering nightmare he became.

 

[Broncos]

Sorry to budge in on a conversation, but why are you saying his death wasn't an honorable death when he murdered a woman and her children plus countless others?


@Raikou Kaminari

 

[Hypnos]

It didn't occur during the duel, there was nothing honourable about that duel in the first place. Gregor didn't die he was near death when that weird guy turned him into the lumbering nightmare he became.

The poisoning was in the duel was it not? The deus was a trial by combat to see before the gods who was innocent, making it honourable. Gregor did die, for all intensive purposes, that thing was not Gregor.

 

[Hypnos]

Sorry to budge in on a conversation, but why are you saying his death wasn't an honorable death when he murdered a woman and her children plus countless others?


@Raikou Kaminari

Gregor killed people in a war, Oberyn cheated and poisoned someone in a duel. There is a differance.

 

[Field Marshall]

The poisoning was in the duel was it not? The deus was a trial by combat to see before the gods who was innocent, making it honourable. Gregor did die, for all intensive purposes, that thing was not Gregor.

Sorry to budge in on a conversation, but why are you saying his death wasn't an honorable death when he murdered a woman and her children plus countless others?


@Raikou Kaminari

Gregor killed people in a war, Oberyn cheated and poisoned someone in a duel. There is a differance.

Quoting Broncos on this one realizing he has a point. Killing children and women in war is somehow alright but poisoning such a person isn't? Gregor got the kind of death he deserved  just like Joffery did.

 

[Hypnos]

Quoting Broncos on this one realizing he has a point. Killing children and women in war is somehow alright but poisoning such a person isn't? Gregor got the kind of death he deserved  just like Joffery did.

Yes, killing claimants to the throne is perfectly justified during a rebellion. What do you think Robert wanted Stannis to do when he caught Viserys, and his mother at Dragonstone? Let them go?

 

[Greenbriar]

Justified, yes, but there's nothing honourable in it. 

 

[Hypnos]

Justified, yes, but there's nothing honourable in it. 

Someone had to do it and Gregor was that someone, it was necessary for the rebellion. Oberyn still had no right to poison him for his actions in a war, actions that he was ordered to carry out.

 

[Field Marshall]

Yes, killing claimants to the throne is perfectly justified during a rebellion. What do you think Robert wanted Stannis to do when he caught Viserys, and his mother at Dragonstone? Let them go?

The motives don't justify means which is your own words. Killing the children and Elia justifiable to complete a revolution. The rape part by the way not justified. Poisoning a man for vengeance justifiable. Doing so in a duel not so much.


However it then comes to do rape vs. misconduct in a duel it's obvious which was more heinous.

 

[Hypnos]

The motives don't justify means which is your own words. Killing the children and Elia justifiable to complete a revolution. The rape part by the way not justified. Poisoning a man for vengeance justifiable. Doing so in a duel not so much.


However it then comes to do rape vs. misconduct in a duel it's obvious which was more heinous.

Vengeance and the winning of a war are two completely differant things because one could be avoided. I do not think Gregor Clegane was a good person by any stretch of the imagination and I certainly think that the [crime that shall not be mentioned] was awful and complete overkill. I do not however think that should be an excuse for murder, Westeros has a legal system, mayhaps Oberyn should have tried using it.


Boy, if you guys think this is bad you're gonna hate when you find out I think the Red Wedding was justified and that Stannis is the rightful king.

 

[Field Marshall]

Vengeance and the winning of a war are two completely differant things because one could be avoided. I do not think Gregor Clegane was a good person by any stretch of the imagination and I certainly think that the [crime that shall not be mentioned] was awful and complete overkill. I do not however think that should be an excuse for murder, Westeros has a legal system, mayhaps Oberyn should have tried using it.


Boy, if you guys think this is bad you're gonna hate when you find out I think the Red Wedding was justified and that Stannis is the rightful king.

I have watched up through season six.