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https://answersingenesis.org/noahs-ark/were-insects-on-the-ark/
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No one is to approach any close relative to have sexual relations. I am the LORD. Leviticus 18:6
HOWEVER
God did not instruct them otherwise until Leviticus, which would imply it was alright until that point.
The answer to (b) is because the closer to creation we got, the better our bodies were, since they were prefect.
(Methuselah was 969 years old.)
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Tests and trials, to test your reverence. He already knows it, but he wants you to know it so you can improve.
Blessed is the man who remains steadfast under trial, for when he has stood the test he will receive the crown of life, which God has promised to those who love him. James 1:12
a
I wouldn't.
b
Well, y'see, if he were to remove all evil, right now, it would include removing you. He loves you enough to not remove all the evil in the world and, consequently, you. You're worth that much to him.
c
https://www.biblica.com/bible/bible-faqs/in-the-bible-we-read-about-the-law-what-does-this-mean/
d
Because he wants to spend time with you.

4
https://answersingenesis.org/kids/noahs-ark/where-did-all-the-water-go-after-the-flood/

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https://micro.cornell.edu/research/epulopiscium/bacterial-genomes
Those are for cells, the simplest things in existence, and if one thing went wrong, the whole thing would screw up.
Basically, if all the pieces got together somehow, there would be a one in 4.6M chance they got it wrong.
You have 6 billion years.
After six billion years, you've gotten 4.6M things to line up perfectly without any intervention?
Try doing it with quintillions.

6
Revelation 1:8
https://www.gci.org/God/howmany
I understand your metaphysics. It's because there aren't more than one God. God himself confirms it.

7
Because the evidence which I have been presented points towards him.
You call the mandelbrot set chance, I call it God.

8
Because we can't fathom it. And he could overcome his own decisions, he just doesn't for our sake.

9
Option A.

10
Unicorns and cockatrices I don't know about.
The other two, yeah.
More like half demons.
Basically, when a third of the angels fell, they came down and had relations with women, who birthed the half demons.
And the giants before the flood could well have been those self-same half demons. The only ones after the flood were Goliath, who were 9 foot, so not that unfathomable.

11
6,000 years.
I was demonstrating a point with a hypothetical.
 
1. That was a very well-reasoned article, though of course it was not perfect. Some follow up questions of mine include:
a. What about diseases and parasites that live strictly within their hosts? Your article presumes insect parasites may have been non-parasitic at this point, but there are still many types of other parasites that could not exist (except by evolution) without being parasites, simply because they can't survive outside a host. Diseases, unless they are allowed to evolve, would also need to be aboard that ship, and many of those are deadly, as I'm sure you already know.
b. What about all the bees and similar insects? True, they could reproduce with just a male and a female, but do to the nature of their evolution (which would have remained stagnant if evolution wasn't a thing) they only survive when working in cohesion as a hive, rather than as just two individuals.

2. Sure, why not, I'll roll with it. But for many of these creatures, they couldn't have traveled far enough to find their ideal climate even within several generations, and their species would die out as a result. I won't bother to look up the exact figures for this, but many animals and most all insects alive today would have gone extinct in the area they got off the ark at, especially since all of the Earth would still be heavily flooded at this point and most plant life would be dead.
a. How did the plants not go extinct through this year long flood?

3. c.The link you provide doesn't explain the importance of God not revealing himself and still insisting you trust him, and if anything it focuses largely on how it is important that one keep a tight relationship with God, which is near impossible if he hides off and waits for you to find him. So again I ask, why is "faith" important enough to validate eternal punishment for a lack of it?

d. Being an avid reader, though I don't seek out romance novels, those tend to make an appearance in just about anything you read. And indeed, in some of these I've gained an understanding of love's poetic nature. Any good poet will assure you that there are two types of love: the selfish kind and the selfless kind. With the selfish kind of love, you love someone because loving them makes you feel good. In the selfless kind of love, you love someone so much that you want to do what makes them feel good above and beyond even your own best interests. Therefore, the God you describe only knows the selfish kind of love, which therefore means he only loves us humans because it makes him feel good to be able to say he loves everybody.

But I would go so far to say that not even that is true. I believe that if this it the case, then God does not love humans at all. What God loves is human emotion. Happiness. Joy. Faith. Pain. Fear. Panic. You see, if a human were to have a child only to torture that child for his own pleasure, that man would not be called a loving father, he would be called a sadist. You are describing God as the ultimate sadist.

4. Wait... so your theory is that God first flattened the mountains to start the flood, and then raised them again when he was done? Well that doesn't make any sense at all! Genesis 7:20 says "The waters prevailed fifteen cubits upward, and the mountains were covered." If the mountains were covered, then they couldn't have been flattened, because there would still have to be mountains there to be covered. If the mountains were flattened, even just for a year, they would cease to be mountains until they were risen again. Taking the Bible at its most literal definition proves that article wrong. So either you would need to provide more leniency in the words of the Bible, which you already said you should not do, or the Bible is wrong.

5. Right, right. Cells and precision and oh so precarious stacking, but no, that's not how it works. If a cell mutates, and they do that quite frequently, 90% of the time it will provide a neutral effect. 5% of the time something really bad happens, and 5% of the time something kind of good happens. (Obviously these aren't the actual percentages, but they make the point.) You see, every human being has multiple mutations throughout their body, because as you said, it's bound to happen, but most of it doesn't really affect anything. Yes, if the wrong things happens cancer or cell death or broken proteins could happen, but usually the wrong thing happens and the cell doesn't notice. That's because most things are proteins, which are copied off of the DNA to the RNA to the ribosomes to work through the amino acid sequence. There are 64 possible codon combinations the RNA could have, but only 20 amino acids that these combinations make up. Therefore, there's room for error. And if there wasn't, we wouldn't be here.

6. Right, I understand that. But if this is how God would construct his metaphysics, technically since all of the God incarnations would be all-powerful and therefore outmatch each other's own strength, it would end up paradoxical enough that they would all have to technically be the same person. But dismissing that notion, you still didn't answer the question. Why isn't there more than one God? The method of his creation could be replicated an infinite number of times, but the Bible tells us that does not happen. Why?

7. No, Mandelbrot isn't chance, it's just how math works. Look up "fractals". You can make them yourself if you want. True, most fractals aren't as interesting as Mandelbrot, but that's only because Mandelbrot is just a little more complex. God has nothing to do with it, unless you count the fact that if he were real he would've had to create Math, unless he weren't the only God. It fascinates us with it's beauty because as I said, we can't comprehend infinity, and we can't handle the abstract, and therefore trying to comprehend is psychologically mesmerizing. You can't use it as proof of God.

8. See, but he doesn't, and therefore he can't because he's decided not to. God cannot do everything because God does not want to do everything. Without the will to accomplish all tasks, God cannot accomplish all tasks, and one must therefore state that either God has done everything, or God is not all-powerful.

9. Fine, but know that if you limit yourself to the logical conclusion option, you must therefore be willing to reshape your beliefs when they are no longer the most likely possibility. Otherwise you're acting illogically.

10. https://answersingenesis.org/extinct-animals/unicorns-in-the-bible/ I want you to go and tell all your friends that you now legitimately believe in unicorns and that they are not creatures of fantasy. http://www.biblestudytools.com/dictionary/cockatrice/ The cockatrice is also a mythical creature, although it doesn't get my point enough nearly as well enough as the unicorn.

11. Okay, now talk to me about carbon dating again, this time without changing your answer.

Also, thank you for the links, these greatly helped convey your points.
 
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a. Just like how there's good e-coli and bad e-coli, I'm sure God allowed good bacteria to mutate and become bad bacteria. You don't hear a whole lot about diseases right after the flood.
b. Adaption. Also,
"There were quite possibly huge masses of floating vegetation and other debris all over the earth at the time of the Flood. Some insects could have been quite capable of surviving on this flotsam. Many insects lay their eggs in the branches of trees or woody plants. Some insects also have aquatic larval or nymph stages that may have been able to survive in the floodwaters. Some aquatic insect larval stages are over a year long, and some nymph stages are two to three years long.3 Floating vegetation could have provided a ready food source for many of them; and insects can also survive long periods without food by going dormant, further enhancing their survivability chances outside the Ark. If some insects had already become carnivorous, there was probably more than enough floating carrion to feed on. Since Scripture doesn’t explicitly state one way or the other, we cannot be dogmatic on this issue; but there seems to have been ample opportunities for many types of insects to have survived outside the Ark.4"
That was in the article.
 
3c
It's because it's an easy ticket out.
Basically, the two paths are death (because you have sinned), or faith in him.
Alternative, not a reason to replace.

Besides, God sometimes does reveal himself through miracles. Members of the church I'm in have people they know who had things that should have been incurable, but were cured. That's miraculous, and that's God showing himself.

Also, Matthew 7:7
 
3d
Ima go ahead and cheat and change my answer.
He planned for you to go in heaven with him, but he knows if you'll choose to do that or not. He doesn't plan to torture you. But since you have free will, you can choose which path you go down.
 
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Ehhhh
That's a problem when we're discussing the start of life itself from random happenstance. If that one cell has something really bad happen to it, then boom, all life on earth is dead.
There's a 95% chance nothing bad will happen, but when that 5% rolls around, the bacteria is screwed, and so is life.
It's fine when we have billions of cells to replace it with.
It's not when there's literally one on the earth, as of that moment.
 
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I don't know; that's why it's called metaphysical
Meta means Idk.
Physics means I also don't know.

But I honestly don't know on that one.
I guess that's something we can ask God later.
 
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I didn't.
I just said it increased my faith in him when I heard about it.
I'm confused how you're not confused. Ten bucks says you hadn't heard about it till I posted it.

But anyways, all the evidence I showed ye plus others.
Like the complexity in the human hand, the cell, the atom, the star, etc.
 
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Won't and can't aren't the same thing at all.
He could, he just won't. He totally could rek the universe, but he won't, because he loves us.
Doesn't mean he can't.
In fact, he will.
2 Peter 3:10 and 12
 
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Ok.
But I will always see God as the more likely option, since I come from the mindset that even the best human minds on this earth are tainted by the fall.
I mean, look at Adam! He named every creature on the earth!
I bet Bill Gates can't do that.
 
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I am not an expert in carbon dating, so I would prefer to not have to deal in that discussion, as I would get absolutely beaten up in any argument relating to it.
 
1. This still does not explain creatures that can only survive by living inside of another animal. Besides full-scale evolution, you can't have a creature that isn't physically capable of living outside a mammal suddenly and temporarily gain that ability. Or you would need another "God miracle", like with the dinosaur teeth. But the thing is, why would God give the creatures the ability to live independently and then relinquish that right after the Ark? And going back to dinosaur teeth, seriously, look up articles about how carnivores have evolved the teeth they have. Changing from plant to teeth to carnivore teeth is evolution, not adaptation. Well, it's evolution when taken to that degree.

" 2. Sure, why not, I'll roll with it. But for many of these creatures, they couldn't have traveled far enough to find their ideal climate even within several generations, and their species would die out as a result. I won't bother to look up the exact figures for this, but many animals and most all insects alive today would have gone extinct in the area they got off the ark at, especially since all of the Earth would still be heavily flooded at this point and most plant life would be dead. "
^You didn't answer that part of the question.
a. Firstly, I would like to state that, as part of the insect question, vegetation couldn't have floated above the surface of the water, because the article you provide reminded me that there was indeed the dove which brought the leaf on the second time it was sent out (or something along those lines). That means on the first time, the bird had to come back to the boat because there was no place to land, and no vegetation. When it did have some place to land on the third attempt, it didn't come back. So argue that. As for the matter of plant extinction, the link you provided, on its first point of exaggerated salinity, bases itself off of a much older Earth than you are personally willing to admit, so there's that. As for plants being different then, that points to evolution, another point you discredit. Another point only covers some plant species. Noah didn't collect all plant species, either, so that also only covers some plant species. The third reason is excluded by my first part of these points. And the final possibility mentioned by the article covers an even narrower band then the other two some categories. In the end, you are left with a poor article which is invalidated by your own belief system more than anything else. There would still be way too many missing plant species.

3. c It is definitely not an easy way out. Obviously, if it were easy, everyone would have instantly and immediately accepted Christ into their heart eternally without question because, "Why not?" Faith is just another example of God being a sadist.

"Miracles" don't actually show who God are, as there aren't many stories of stoic atheists seeing a miracle and immediately changing their ways, except in movies. People only credit God because they are looking for signs from God, so that if something happens that was supposed to happen anyway, they say it was because of God. That's actually the entire reason Christianity is still a religion at all. It's one of the fundamental flaws of human nature, to see what we're looking for even if it isn't there.

That passage is irrelevant. Clearly from my argument, I am searching. And I had found God before, as I was born into a Christian family and for the first twelve to thirteen years of my life I even called myself devout, doing whatever needed to be done. It wasn't until I started putting science before God was it that God immediately stopped making sense. You see, you seem to place value on science, but so far you haven't actually put it before God. If God were real, he'd pass the tests, but he doesn't. If you listen to a question understanding the possibility it might not have an answer that supports God, your faith will disappear quickly.

4. Okay, so this article says that the mountains didn't rise, everything else did... but why? And why do we have no geological evidence that that happened? I mean, seriously, that's a pretty big gesture even for a God.

5. When we had exactly one on Earth, it had a 95% chance of surviving... and then there were two of them, and those two each had a 95% chance of being fine... that's a pretty likely scenario. Especially since the first organisms were way simpler, making it more like a 99.9999% chance of surviving.

6. Right, so that's science 1, God 0. If that scores wrong, may God smite me here and now. Because if there isn't a logical answer, then your stance probably isn't logical.

7. Complexity is not proof of God. And if it is not proof, it should not strengthen your beliefs. Partially because complexity can be created by random chance, but also because complexity is subjective, and these things only seem complex because humans aren't all that intelligent. At least, not yet at this scale. And "It's pretty," does not mean it had to be created by an all-powerful being.

8. Woah, woah, woah, I had never heard this quote, but thank you for showing it to me. God created a perfect paradise that he told all humans is infinite, and then he told them at some point he's going to set it on fire!? Doesn't that mean both are Hell in the long run?! And not only does God say he'll do this, he tells you to pray for it to happen quickly to consolidate your faith. God is definitely a sadist. A hardcore sadist. I now do not believe in God for more reasons than just the fact that he's illogical. The Bible's God is something you do not want running your universe.

9. With all the time in the world, an autistic three year old could name all the animals in the world. I could do it. You could do it. There's nothing special about naming things. There's also the fact that he didn't name everything, as since the Garden of Eden whatever he named has been forgotten and people rediscover species and name them all the time. But I'm sorry to tell you, your faith is not logical if you believe it will never change. The only way for a belief to be logical is for it to be fluid, and if you say yours is not, I want a different reason for your belief in God.

11. Then find an article to argue about if for you or look something up about it, because I don't know much about it either, but I know it's how we determine the age of the universe.

12. New question: How do you know your God is the right god? If you say because yours is from the largest religion in the world, what about all the religions where the God doesn't care if he's known or not? Like the guy for Buddhism. I'm not an expert on Buddhism, but from what I know of it, Buddhism is one of the few religions that actually make sense. (Figuratively, of course, not literally.)

13. If I declare right now that if God is real he should come down and smite me right now (which he should), why won't he?
 
Even those evolved. The first organisms began and all I believe they did was breathe in one compound and breathe out another. That's how our atmosphere became compatible for every other type of life.
 
What the heck is this madness that I have never heard before.
Alrighty.
Where are they now?
Where is the evidence they ever existed?
I don't mean articles.
I mean forensic.
We have dinosaur bones.
Where's the forensic evidence of this stuff?
 
Also, 8 is after everything is gone.
Geez, he's not a sadist.
Basically, when every human is gone (raptured out, post-millenial-kingdom), he will remove the tainted earth and universe in a quick breath of flame, and then recreate it perfectly.
 
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Please. Don't try and convince me of that.
It's mere existence isn't chance, especially since we didn't even know about until the 80's.
It was placed there, alrighty.
 
6
I don't know it, doesn't mean nobody knows it.
I'm not who you need to judge it against, geez.
For now, let's just remove 6, since I can't give you any answer on that one.
 
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Because he doesn't want to reveal himself in that manner.
If he did, it would throw off his other prophecies about how he would be revealed in the last days and such.
But I wouldn't tempt fate all the same. He doesn't smite anyone all that often, but car accidents do happen.
 
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Because Christianity has science for it, and honestly, if the Bible isn't written by God, then the person was a historical, mathematical, scientific, and literary genius.
Otherwise, it was written by fifty-five authors over a two thousand year span of time with no errors between and no consistency errors.

Remember, this is from a tired sophomore who should be doing his chemistry homework and isn't.
But much of my information comes from talks and such, which is un-cite-able.

I'm really tired lol, it's midnight.
But I'm getting the feeling of Matthew 11:25 right about now.
 
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Ugh, no it's not.
That's uranium dating.
And that's even more junk I don't want to dig up rn.
Uranium dating is dumb simply because we can't actually gauge how accurate it is.
 
9.
You know, that's just great.
Give you a day. That's about as long as it took Adam.
And, no duh. Adaption, and also because he named them in the angel language.
Before you call bull, Tower of Babel. Humans spoke the same language, and it's an easy guess that it was some angelic language they spoke, since Lucifer was able to speak to them, np.
 
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