Its not like he gives a fuck. I mean him being a doctor would be plausible since there are no deaths in the tournament, leading to him not being able to come due to dead body business matters.
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Fantasy A Nation In Havoc OOC (2.0)
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Duke of Doge
Professional disappointment.
Maybe you could just have him go anyway.
MagicPenguin
One Thousand Club
Ambrose doesn't seem the type to care about the festival for its own sake, but he IS a researcher, right? Perhaps he might find it useful to go if only to find lots of injured people to experiment on. It's not every day a joust/melee/archery competition is held, so he might be able to find some people with types of wounds he doesn't get to see every day. He could go under the cover of being a doctor and caring for the injured easily enough and then use that cover to look for new research materials or potential experimental subjects.
That seems to be really stretching it though. I mean it is not like we have people shooting arrows at each other, flinging arrows at each other and using anything deadly at all. The only types of wounds there, would be things like bruising, dislocated joints and a few extreme cases of broken bones, all of which I am sure someone with the experience of Ambrose would have already seen. Besides, how would he even experiment on them? He would not have his tools with him to do so. And even if he did have them with him, it would be hard to do without someone noticing since his experiments would all be likely sinister. I am not saying that this or any other reason can happen, but I do think that the king being overprotective of his guests and hiring all the doctors in the city, including Ambrose, would be the most plausible as he really has no interest in fights like these.
augmentedspartan
Surviving in the Metro
He dislikes violence, so he has no interest in the tournament.
Was gonna say this, but you beat me to it, which is cool cause I can't write for shit on my phone.
MagicPenguin
One Thousand Club
I can't speak to what Ambrose does or does not have interest in, as he's not my character; however, he seems to me like the type of guy with his hands in a lot of different pies, someone who needs a lot of different types of people with a lot of different types of injuries for whatever variety of experiments he might have going on. A tournament will produce a lot of those injuries in much greater quantity all at once than he might encounter otherwise. As for how he experiments on them, well, Ambrose is a clever fellow. I'm sure he can lure the people he wants to examine more closely somewhere more private and...conducive...to the types of things he might like to try.
It seems at least a plausible reason for him to bother going.
It seems at least a plausible reason for him to bother going.
augmentedspartan
Surviving in the Metro
Ambrose has a lot of experience, small time wounds like that are child's play for him. Plus, he literally has a business moving bodies, if he needs subjects, he can get them the usual way rather than risk getting them from the heavily guarded, public tournament.
MagicPenguin
One Thousand Club
Maybe he doesn't want the subjects solely for the purpose of treating their ailments, which would be child's play for him. Maybe he wants to experiment with a new way of treating a broken bone or a bad bruise that no one has tried before. Or maybe he has an experiment that he needs people with these types of non-lethal injuries for because he needs to compare how they react to something as opposed to healthy persons, mortally wounded persons, and completely dead persons. I don't know. He strikes me as a morally ambivalent scientist who doesn't necessarily care about the well-being of his subjects, as long as he gets the results he needs, so I feel like there's a lot of room for creativity here regarding why he would want to collect subjects at a tournament where a lot of people will get injured.
Duke of Doge
Professional disappointment.
well.. if your character wont go. guess you cant rp until something happens
feels bad man
feels bad man
Is there something that is stopping the King or some sort of authority forcefully inviting him over to heal the attendants like
augmentedspartan
originally proposed? I don't see any problem with that.
Duke of Doge
Professional disappointment.
I don't see why they would, they are using non lethal weapons the most injury could be a broken bone from a joust gone wrong or a few bruises/bloody noses...Is there something that is stopping the King or some sort of authority forcefully inviting him over to heal the attendants lie
Wouldn't it fit the character of the king or something? Like he could be overprotective of the people the come into his nation. Or it could be him showing off his nations best, leading to him having to hire the best doctors.
Duke of Doge
Professional disappointment.
MagicPenguin
One Thousand Club
All this talk of fake weapons leading to trivial injuries reminds me of a scene in Game of Thrones where Ned Stark and his daughter Sansa are at a joust. Sansa is afraid someone will be hurt and her father assures her that all the jousting participants will be fine because they are using tourney lances, which are designed to splinter on impact so they can't hurt anyone.
One particularly mean jouster decides to splinter his tourney lance into someone's neck, killing him pretty brutally.
One particularly mean jouster decides to splinter his tourney lance into someone's neck, killing him pretty brutally.
Oh ur talking about the Mountain. I know that this is a pretty unpopular opinion but the Mountain is actually one of my favourite characters. I just loves it when Oberyn was just dancing around him, talking shit and he just grabbed and smushed him.
MagicPenguin
One Thousand Club
Ugh, if only Oberyn had just killed him. Tyrion is suffering so much unnecessary torment because of that single, unlucky moment.
Duke of Doge
Professional disappointment.
or if some has a war lance, but the point is covered in ceramic so it breaks and they just straight up kill the opponent.
He should have just shut his mouth and finished him off. But you know, he taunted the wounded bear and he got what he deserved. I would love to see him fight, but in the later seasons all he does is draw his fucking sword to scare people.
augmentedspartan
Surviving in the Metro
I mean, this is the equivalent of the 15th or 16th century, where the choice of medicine was opium or quinine and antibiotics weren't even a concept. Even if you take into account healing magic (which would be a percentage of the already small amount of mages) infections would still be a very big deal, and that isn't considering all the other crap that could happen from injuries. Plus, even "safe" combat practices need the supervision of a medical expert, because you never know when someone fucks up and they end up in terrible condition. Considering the fact that a lot of people will be attending, it would make sense for the King to want as many capable hands as possible.
It shouldn't be too difficult either, I can just mention that Amb went there cause he didn't want to pay the fine for not attending as a medical professional. Argentina does the same but with voting.
MagicPenguin
One Thousand Club
I mean, to be fair, the man was pretty pissed that Gregor raped his sister and killed her children by smashing their infant heads against the wall. I can kind of sympathize, especially with all the other cruel shit The Mountain and his cronies do throughout the series.
MagicPenguin
One Thousand Club
I mean, maybe Ambrose could go because he stumbled onto something like antibiotics, or some similarly new revolutionary way of treating old wounds, and he wants to find lots of people to test it on.
I can understand that. My point is that his death is his own doing in a battle which was clearly his to win.
MagicPenguin
One Thousand Club
I think what he was really after was for Gregor to admit he got the order to execute his sister and her children straight from Tywin. He was just a bit too overconfident in his ability not to get hit.
augmentedspartan
Surviving in the Metro
At this point, yeah, he cares much more about satisfying his curiosity than the well being of the patient (although he still needs the latter in order to keep his job and liberty), but either way it still a massive risk to kidnap what you could say are minor celebrities in a massively populated festival. If he wants bodies, he'll got he usual silent and safer route. Hell, if he really wants to test a new treatment method, he'll get a live one and have one of his goons mess them up in that specific way.
I mean, sure I can have him discover/invent something later down the line, but antibiotics are something way too big to throw in randomly. Sure, penicillin was discovered by accident, but that was only because of the massive amount of work done by Fleming because of the amount of casualties that infections brought due to WWI. Ambrose stumbling over it randomly is a really big stretch, even more so when you consider the fact that he doesn't spend nearly as much time as he used to actually practicing legal medicine. He's old and gets tired easily, so he can't really do research like he used to.
MagicPenguin
One Thousand Club
I mean no offense, but you're really good at thinking of reasons for Ambrose not to go. Surely you could direct that creativity toward thinking of a plausible reason why he might want to? I mean, the king's decree thing works, obviously, but I find the idea of conscripting every doctor in the city to this tournament no more or less reasonable than any other multitude of science-y reasons Ambrose might have to attend.
