Fantasy ;☆

[Cosmos]

I just really like pretty names~
Chitose sounds pretty (if you pronounce it properly) and I like its meaning.


I'll add Chi-chan to the nickname section soon!

Yeah, Yuki's full name (If read correctly) translates to Fragile snow- this'll become important later~ xD

 

[Idea]

Okie dokie. Looks like I need to clear up something because I cut away too much fat from my personality and backstory section. =v=;;; Sorry I was trying to shorten things because people often say that I make those sections too long in my CS's. 8D;;;
Maybe it's because I didn't make it too clear...but Shui Mei should be considered to be suffering from depression. Depression is one of those psychological issues that aren't always straight up all over your face so I don't like flat out saying "she has depression". Depression is also comes in various ranges of severity and the most common form in a lot of teenagers isn't something that you can see in public easily. Like Shui Mei, even though they have depression (they might not even know that they might be considered to have depression), they often cover it up. A lot of times they'll have moments where they think that they're just not enough or (like Shui Mei) just a few things makes their worth.


Shui Mei is one of those people, when faced with a problem, they'll go straight to denial about their own issues. Yes, she does think that she's not worth much past her music but she also avoids her own problems like the plague. She won't tell you that you made her angry, sad or just flat out disappointed. I've had friends who, much to my immense frustration, don't tell me what I said or did wrong. To me, sometimes hanging out with them felt like walking around blind because you wouldn't know just when and what you would stomp on and crush. You would be able to tell that they were upset about something by the way that they just steamrolled over something that you said. They just let those feelings of negativity fester. You can cover up negativity all you want, but it's like shoving a mess under you bed. You might not see it but it's still there. Probably growing some extra fungus too tbh. She might be good for other people but she's definitely not good for herself.


In the backstory and in the personality, I implied that she relies on music too much. Relying on just one thing to keep you going in life is not healthy. Especially when you think your self-worth is suddenly gone just because you don't have it. (Like aiyoo, what the heck are you doing girl? Your parents loved you even before you knew you had singing talent. And please freaking say something that they don't know. Like you're hella lonely and they crush you every time they miss something. They ain't psychics. They honestly don't know they're hurting you that much.)


[Now that I explained all of this...how am I supposed to fit it in the personality section...? =A=;;; Clarification is hard when you're trying to be subtle. Hold up gotta tinker now.]

For one, it's a character sheet, there is absolutely no need to be subtle. Second, the flaws you just stated while existing, are not real. What I mean by that is that these don't seem to have any practical impact. If your character's behavior disregards these flaws, they might as well not have them. Even if she feels all the negative emotions in the world, without acting upon them, she remains a Mary Sue. It has to have an impact.

 

[Vague]

For one, it's a character sheet, there is absolutely no need to be subtle. Second, the flaws you just stated while existing, are not real. What I mean by that is that these don't seem to have any practical impact. If your character's behavior disregards these flaws, they might as well not have them. Even if she feels all the negative emotions in the world, without acting upon them, she remains a Mary Sue. It has to have an impact.

I have to disagree with that. I battled with depression during middle school, and I am still facing it but I am getting better. Just because you don't let someone see your flaws, doesn't mean you don't have them. Even if it doesn't impact others, it definitely impacts yourself.

 

[A Murder Of Corviknight]

For one, it's a character sheet, there is absolutely no need to be subtle. Second, the flaws you just stated while existing, are not real. What I mean by that is that these don't seem to have any practical impact. If your character's behavior disregards these flaws, they might as well not have them. Even if she feels all the negative emotions in the world, without acting upon them, she remains a Mary Sue. It has to have an impact.

Being a Mary Sue means that she's perfect in every aspect possible. I never said that my character would never snap And just breakdown in the RP ever. I just said that she internalizes a lot of problems to the point that it's unhealthy to herself more than the people around her. If not being able to express yourself plus being considerate/kind is a Mary Sue trait, then I would say I know a lot of Mary Sues and Gary Stus in real life. I know from personal experience that sometimes silence hurts more words.


Yes I know that these people mean well...but that doesn't make things hurt any less when you realize that you've pushed each other away because of the lack of communication.

 

[A Murder Of Corviknight]

I have to disagree with that. I battled with depression during middle school, and I am still facing it but I am getting better. Just because you don't let someone see your flaws, doesn't mean you don't have them. Even if it doesn't impact others, it definitely impacts yourself.

Going off on what Vague said, depression (whether in mild or severe case) is not light business. It's not something that you can brush off. And it's a bit disrespectful to say that these problems don't matter if it doesn't dramatically impact other people. Not every person with depression is willing to outright express their depression. And honestly I don't blame them for not being to express themselves because of how society is today. I mean, when we do say something or address a problem, how many times have you heard "Stop whining so much. Teenagers. Always thinking that their problems are so significant. You're young, it'll pass."? And that often just worsens their problems. It's like hearing "You don't matter" when you already have moments where you think so yourself. (Sorry for the rant. But I thought it was important to explain a bit more. Especially since it's a pretty sensitive and important topic for me.)

 

[Idea]

I have to disagree with that. I battled with depression during middle school, and I am still facing it but I am getting better. Just because you don't let someone see your flaws, doesn't mean you don't have them. Even if it doesn't impact others, it definitely impacts yourself.

Being a Mary Sue means that she's perfect in every aspect possible. I never said that my character would never snap And just breakdown in the RP ever. I just said that she internalizes a lot of problems to the point that it's unhealthy to herself more than the people around her. If not being able to express yourself plus being considerate/kind is a Mary Sue trait, then I would say I know a lot of Mary Sues and Gary Stus in real life. I know from personal experience that sometimes silence hurts more words.
Yes I know that these people mean well...but that doesn't make things hurt any less when you realize that you've pushed each other away because of the lack of communication.

It is purely intuitive that a flaw needs to have an impact- otherwise whether one has it or not is the same thus making the flaw insufficient. That's all I said. The flaw exists but are not enough.


People who hide their feelings exist, but their feelings do impact them, their actions, behavior. The way the character is presented, at least, suggests your character is capable of hiding the feelings so well they have absolutely no consequences.


One suggestion would be your character offering no resistance to harm or even seeking it. Another would be that she could be a compulsive liar...

 

[Cosmos]

My characters fallen so far into her own delusions that she sees them as reality, she still has herself inside somewhere but she's afraid to expose them out of fear of getting hurt or otherwise. It has an impact strong on herself and the people around her.


Then again characters like being discussed work swell, he I do agree with idea's latest post in a mild sense.


@Vague Also, a-are we gonna start soon?~ "^w^

 

[animegirl20]

I'm done with my cs

 

[A Murder Of Corviknight]

It is purely intuitive that a flaw needs to have an impact- otherwise whether one has it or not is the same thus making the flaw insufficient. That's all I said. The flaw exists but are not enough.
People who hide their feelings exist, but their feelings do impact them, their actions, behavior. The way the character is presented, at least, suggests your character is capable of hiding the feelings so well they have absolutely no consequences.


One suggestion would be your character offering no resistance to harm or even seeking it. Another would be that she could be a compulsive liar...

So being so afraid of rejection that you hide away all your problems within yourself and end up with parents who don't know that there is a possibly self destructive child within their own household...isn't a consequence? Shui Mei have people who love her, but those same people don't know what exxactly they're loving. The fact that her parents are practically never home is somewhat because of work. But the majority of it is a product of her own doing. If Shui Mei would just SAY something like "please come home more often" they would do their best to try. As much as Shui Mei and her parents believe that their close, it's shown in her backstory that their not. Her loneliness is, in a way, is a product of her own behavior.

 

[The One Eyed Bandit]

I don't think the question right now is if the flaw is there, but how it'll effect the RP. I.E Will she compromise missions because of it? Will her inability to speak up meddle with her relationships with the rest of the team? Stuff like that. Imo, I think the answer is yes, just putting it out there.

 

[Nano]

It is purely intuitive that a flaw needs to have an impact- otherwise whether one has it or not is the same thus making the flaw insufficient. That's all I said. The flaw exists but are not enough.
People who hide their feelings exist, but their feelings do impact them, their actions, behavior. The way the character is presented, at least, suggests your character is capable of hiding the feelings so well they have absolutely no consequences.


One suggestion would be your character offering no resistance to harm or even seeking it. Another would be that she could be a compulsive liar...

I hope that I'm not being too nosy in butting in, but Birb clearly stated that Shui Mei hides it to a certain extent, but has her breaking points. Honestly, I can clearly see what she's trying to get at because I, myself, have experienced feelings like these due to the pressures that my family places on me.


Birb has never once stated that Shui Mei's hidden flaws have no consequences. In fact, the way she explained Shui Mei seems to suggest that Shui Mei is the insecure type. This may not be super obvious in the beginning, but as the story goes on, it'll become much more prominent and gives room for character development.


I also think that you might wish to reaccess the meaning of a "Mary Sue." Most people simply think of a Mary Sue as a perfect character and in your case, a character who appears to have no problems although she really has a bucketload. A Mary Sue is really an idealized version of a person in one's mind. True, this is referring to perfection, but it also denotes that the character has absolutely no troubles, has the best of qualities and hides absolutely nothing "dirty" or "bad," not just "appears to be." Basically, Shui Mei is just one of those gilded characters.


I hope this didn't come off as too offensive?

[QUOTE="The One Eyed Bandit]I don't think the question right now is if the flaw is there, but how it'll effect the RP. I.E Will she compromise missions because of it? Will her inability to speak up meddle with her relationships with the rest of the team? Stuff like that. Imo, I think the answer is yes, just putting it out there.

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Kind of addressed this in the first part of this message, but Shui Mei's way of "protecting herself" will most likely impact the RP in ways not too different from all of the rest of the characters (confirmation from Birb needed). I actually feel like a common theme among the characters seems to be that they all act like they're strong or just fine on their own when they are really just covering it up. Of course, this method of covering their weaknesses up varies greatly.

 

[The One Eyed Bandit]

Kind of addressed this in the first part of this message, but Shui Mei's way of "protecting herself" will most likely impact the RP in ways not too different from all of the rest of the characters. I actually feel like a common theme among the characters seems to be that they all act like they're strong or just fine on their own when theyMre really just covering it up. Of course, this method of covering their weaknesses up varies greatly.

Oh, you've got me wrong, I get that. I was just trying to clear up the debate, cause it looked kind of like Idea and Birb were on different pages.

 

[Nano]

[QUOTE="The One Eyed Bandit]Oh, you've got me wrong, I get that. I was just trying to clear up the debate, cause it looked kind of like Idea and Birb were on different pages.

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OAO


IM SO SORRY


I didn't see that last sentence! >__<

 

[The One Eyed Bandit]

Haha, I edited it in a minute or two after I made the post, cause I realized it might come across like I was playing the critic, you probably just read it before I did, it's cool xD

 

[A Murder Of Corviknight]

@The One Eyed Bandit and @Nano basically summed up what I meant to say and more. Thank you btw.

 

[Cosmos]

Welp. I agree with Nano that they all kinda have that in varying ways but it think that kinda adds more to a 'team' element and friendship and so on in terms of semi-relying on each other, Yuki is probably one of the most resistant of the bunch thanks to her own delusions semi-protecting her but at the same time when she does come back to reality it hits hard~ so yeah. "^w^

 

[Cosmos]

@The One Eyed Bandit and @Nano basically summed up what I meant to say and more. Thank you btw.

I'm glad we sorted this out!~ xD :3 X3 xD

 

[Idea]

So being so afraid of rejection that you hide away all your problems within yourself and end up with parents who don't know that there is a possibly self destructive child within their own household...isn't a consequence? Shui Mei have people who love her, but those same people don't know what exxactly they're loving. The fact that her parents are practically never home is somewhat because of work. But the majority of it is a product of her own doing. If Shui Mei would just SAY something like "please come home more often" they would do their best to try. As much as Shui Mei and her parents believe that their close, it's shown in her backstory that their not. Her loneliness is, in a way, is a product of her own behavior.

Let me try an analogy here. A vaccine is filled with dead or numbed bacteria or viruses. A person injected with one has them in their body now. Are they sick? No. Because the viruses and bacteria have no effect, no manifestation. It isn't a real desease.


Likewise, a flaw which doesn't manifest itself and the person would act the same way without it is existing but is not a real flaw.


Now, I was accused of taking depression too lightly, but let me make it clear that from my perspective the tables are reversed on that matter. So far, you have been implying a character that has little to no control over her emotions yet somehow can fully control her behavior. That is not possible. Unless, of course, she has no control over behavior either. Could her constant smile and cheerfulness etc... Be a fruit of that lack of control? Yes. Yes they could.


And yet, that implies a ton of other things that were not stated. As @Nano poibted out my suggestions are pretty much SUGGESTED by you, however a possible hypothetical hope of you actually meaning that is something I cannot guarantee in any way and thus cannot count on. If we're actually talking someone who will smile despite her feelings, she will still act upon them. That means we're talking about someone who may be eating a picnic with you in one second and jumping in front of a truck in the next. That means someone who will actively seclude herself to prevent her feelings from being shown, as in physically run from others to avoid it. That is someone is rather secretive someone who would go great lengths to stop people from ever getting to the bottom of anything with her, someone who can't be honest...


I could go on. Of course, you may be thinking "but that thing you said, I didn't mean that for my character" and that's exactly my point. Even if there are meaningful flaws, real flaws, I can't just ASSUME they are there without you stating it. As I already told you the character sheet is no place to be subtle on. Quite on the contrary. It is the place where you have to be the most open about the character you want to make and roleplay. Take @TheHappyPikachu 's example: he ASKED if he could hide part of the backstory. And the part he asked about was actually pretty minor too. Do you have to ask for everything you wanna hide? No. But there are basics of information you need to be open about. If you don't want other characters to know, you still put it in the CS. After all, them knowing without any clue would be a mistake on their part, called meta gaming.


As @The One Eyed Bandit said, we are talking cross purposes here. I apologize for anything I may have said that may have been offensive, albeit unjustifiably so, as in no way did I mean to take anything without proper handling. Simply, my review is on the character. And as a character, as it is now, it is either very poorly expressed or it is a Mary Sue. The flaw isn't real, valid because the behavior you made it lead to belongs to, as @Nano said "an idealized version of a person in one's mind". All other flaws you may have meant to add are not there, or typed in anyway, and so I cannot consider them as existing.

 

[A Murder Of Corviknight]

Let me try an analogy here. A vaccine is filled with dead or numbed bacteria or viruses. A person injected with one has them in their body now. Are they sick? No. Because the viruses and bacteria have no effect, no manifestation. It isn't a real desease.
Likewise, a flaw which doesn't manifest itself and the person would act the same way without it is existing but is not a real flaw.


Now, I was accused of taking depression too lightly, but let me make it clear that from my perspective the tables are reversed on that matter. So far, you have been implying a character that has little to no control over her emotions yet somehow can fully control her behavior. That is not possible. Unless, of course, she has no control over behavior either. Could her constant smile and cheerfulness etc... Be a fruit of that lack of control? Yes. Yes they could.


And yet, that implies a ton of other things that were not stated. As @Nano poibted out my suggestions are pretty much SUGGESTED by you, however a possible hypothetical hope of you actually meaning that is something I cannot guarantee in any way and thus cannot count on. If we're actually talking someone who will smile despite her feelings, she will still act upon them. That means we're talking about someone who may be eating a picnic with you in one second and jumping in front of a truck in the next. That means someone who will actively seclude herself to prevent her feelings from being shown, as in physically run from others to avoid it. That is someone is rather secretive someone who would go great lengths to stop people from ever getting to the bottom of anything with her, someone who can't be honest...


I could go on. Of course, you may be thinking "but that thing you said, I didn't mean that for my character" and that's exactly my point. Even if there are meaningful flaws, real flaws, I can't just ASSUME they are there without you stating it. As I already told you the character sheet is no place to be subtle on. Quite on the contrary. It is the place where you have to be the most open about the character you want to make and roleplay. Take @TheHappyPikachu 's example: he ASKED if he could hide part of the backstory. And the part he asked about was actually pretty minor too. Do you have to ask for everything you wanna hide? No. But there are basics of information you need to be open about. If you don't want other characters to know, you still put it in the CS. After all, them knowing without any clue would be a mistake on their part, called meta gaming.


As @The One Eyed Bandit said, we are talking cross purposes here. I apologize for anything I may have said that may have been offensive, albeit unjustifiably so, as in no way did I mean to take anything without proper handling. Simply, my review is on the character. And as a character, as it is now, it is either very poorly expressed or it is a Mary Sue. The flaw isn't real, valid because the behavior you made it lead to belongs to, as @Nano said "an idealized version of a person in one's mind". All other flaws you may have meant to add are not there, or typed in anyway, and so I cannot consider them as existing.

Yes you said a CS is no place to be subtle. And I said that I'd make it more clear in the CS. And no, I didn't fix it yet because I'm currently at school with only a tablet to work with. (Nightmare to work code on.)


Now, I don't know where you got the idea that she could be having a picnic one minute and running in front of a truck in another. Depression doesn't mean that you're willing to run in front of a truck. And it doesn't always mean you're a visible mess either. People could have the ability to feel but not express. It's called hiding and possibly, being fake. People are too complex to just place them in one category and call it a day. But I rest my case because I think I need to drop this rp. We're clearly not on the same page and I don't want to drag this on any longer. I'm sorry for making this debate go on for so long but I hope that you all have successful rp here.

 

[Cosmos]

Yes you said a CS is no place to be subtle. And I said that I'd make it more clear in the CS. And no, I didn't fix it yet because I'm currently at school with only a tablet to work with. (Nightmare to work code on.)
Now, I don't know where you got the idea that she could be having a picnic one minute and running in front of a truck in another. Depression doesn't mean that you're willing to run in front of a truck. And it doesn't always mean you're a visible mess either. People have the ability to feel but not express. It's called hiding and possibly, being fake. People are too complex to just place them in one category and call it a day. But I rest my case because I think I need to drop this rp. We're clearly not on the same page and I don't want to drag this on any longer. I'm sorry for making this debate go on for so long but I hope that you all have successful rp here.

NO! PLEASE DON'T LEAVE!!!!~ >W<

 

[Idea]

Yes you said a CS is no place to be subtle. And I said that I'd make it more clear in the CS. And no, I didn't fix it yet because I'm currently at school with only a tablet to work with. (Nightmare to work code on.)
Now, I don't know where you got the idea that she could be having a picnic one minute and running in front of a truck in another. Depression doesn't mean that you're willing to run in front of a truck. And it doesn't always mean you're a visible mess either. People could have the ability to feel but not express. It's called hiding and possibly, being fake. People are too complex to just place them in one category and call it a day. But I rest my case because I think I need to drop this rp. We're clearly not on the same page and I don't want to drag this on any longer. I'm sorry for making this debate go on for so long but I hope that you all have successful rp here.

Ok, no need to drop here. Let's just leave it to Vague, and I'm sure she'll approve your character.

 

[Nano]

Let me try an analogy here. A vaccine is filled with dead or numbed bacteria or viruses. A person injected with one has them in their body now. Are they sick? No. Because the viruses and bacteria have no effect, no manifestation. It isn't a real desease.
Likewise, a flaw which doesn't manifest itself and the person would act the same way without it is existing but is not a real flaw.

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Am I missing something? I honestly do not get this analogy used here. Has Birb ever said that the flaw will not manifest itself at all? Taking the analogy with infections into mind, rather than a vaccine, Shui Mei's flaw is more like a dormant virus. At first, it doesn't seem to be there, then suddenly, the person becomes sick once the virus becomes active.


You seem to be arguing that Shui Mei's flaws have no outer manifestation when we're trying to make a point that they do and then you say that I am suggesting that Birb is doing what she should be doing, but just didn't write it down so ther's no solid proof/reassurance? Birb said that she's going to make this point more clear in her CS once she gets the time to, so I don't see why this is such a big problem that ended up becoming a lawsuit of sorts...

 

[Idea]

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Am I missing something? I honestly do not get this analogy used here. Has Birb ever said that the flaw will not manifest itself at all? Taking the analogy with infections into mind, rather than a vaccine, Shui Mei's flaw is more like a dormant virus. At first, it doesn't seem to be there, then suddenly, the person becomes sick once the virus becomes active.


You seem to be arguing that Shui Mei's flaws have no outer manifestation when we're trying to make a point that they do and then you say that I am suggesting that Birb is doing what she should be doing, but just didn't write it down so ther's no solid proof/reassurance? Birb said that she's going to make this point more clear in her CS once she gets the time to, so I don't see why this is such a big problem that ended up becoming a lawsuit of sorts...

Due to the clear uncomfort this is presenting, please PM me if you want to discuss this further or just hear what I have to say.

 

[Cosmos]

@Birb You were approved by Vague, please don't leave as lot of people including myself support your view on things, there seems to be slight confusion on both sides about what's going on and I say we leave this matter behind (I'm fairly neutral in this case) You made a great character and personally (and I'm sure others would agree) would love to rp with you, especially in this RP so please don't leave over this?~…. "^w^

 

[Idea]

@Birb if nothing else, everyone seems to want to RP with you, and generally they agree with you, so there is no need to leave over this. I have my method of doing this and I have to stick to it. I have nothing against you, personally, and if the owner of the tread has given her approval of your character, it´s not like I can say "no".