Nation Building 2028 A World of Strife (Modern)

[AdmiralKerkov]

But their current Military budget in 2015 is 10 Billion dollars, with the current ongoing wars Iran has (Which costs a LOT) would take away around half of that (If it had not changed in 15 years which I know is ridiculous, but let's just believe it hasn't for now) and would require that other half to replenish lost weapons, equipment, and etc. (By lost I mean, actually lost, destroyed, damaged beyond compare, or stolen by the enemy side) If they took out about 1/4 of that budget (Because the Bn2 costs will be even more hefty) Iran would be screwed. Let's say it has doubled (Very unlikely by the way, probably only grown 30-60%) even then, the war will take over a 1/4, the replacement another 1/4, spending 1/8 of their budget is a pretty big deal, especially if it is only a year and a half. Then we have the tank cost at 1.2 billion dollars, although spread over around four years, that is a ton of money. I was just giving him a tip, but just so you know, hell yeah I know what I am talking about. You don't need to be a freaking economist, just a stubborn person with the google at his fingertips.

 

[AdmiralKerkov]

So if you would please, let me exercise my first amendment to suggest something to a person who has publicly mentioned he is still working on his post. Thank you.

 

[JB5899]

@AdmiralKerkov you have a right to speak on the forum I just have a big issue about the way you do it because as you previously mentioned you were wrong. And your right you don't need to be an economist you have google at your fingertips so let's assume this: the current GDP of Iran is 416 billion and is shown to be rising, the inflation in Iran is also decreasing. So we have a rise in Iran currently which would correlate to a rise in Iran's economy between 2015-2028. Now if we take a trip through the old rp here we see that Iran has also worked extensively to increase its economy so we can assume that between the years of 2028-2032 Iran's annual GDP has increased even more so. And I know that GDP doesn't take into account some factors so it's not exactly accurate but it is how we rate countries. Also you mention the cost of the existing war and if I am correct, every country that enters into any large scale war suffers some form of debt caused by the war. It's simply just the price paid.


Also, about letting him know:

Iran will begin rapidly producing 200 Saegheh 2 fighters and 200 B92 fighters every 6 months until 600 of each are made, some of the first successful aircraft designed and built by Iran.

he actually made that as a part of his last post so with a little bit of reading I'm sure anyone who read his post would have noticed the similarities. And I will say this again: I did not like the way you address Bob, his is one of our best rpers and is very active ooc and in know way deserved the level of disrespect you gave him, now maybe you meant none and I perceived it in a wrong way, and if so then I apologize, but it would've been just as easy to let him know politely or even let him know in a private chat. So you are very more than welcome to speak your mind and we encourage everyone on the rp to but as long as you keep it polite and research everything about a subject before you say that someone will run their country broke. Now let's move on from this subject as I am tired of talking about it just please take my advice in the future, it will benefit everyone in the rp.

 

[JB5899]

Also, does anyone know if PMan is still rping?

 

[AdmiralKerkov]

he actually made that as a part of his last post so with a little bit of reading I'm sure anyone who read his post would have noticed the similarities. And I will say this again: I did not like the way you address Bob, his is one of our best rpers and is very active ooc and in know way deserved the level of disrespect you gave him, now maybe you meant none and I perceived it in a wrong way, and if so then I apologize, but it would've been just as easy to let him know politely or even let him know in a private chat. So you are very more than welcome to speak your mind and we encourage everyone on the rp to but as long as you keep it polite and research everything about a subject before you say that someone will run their country broke. Now let's move on from this subject as I am tired of talking about it just please take my advice in the future, it will benefit everyone in the rp.

Holy crap. All I was saying, was 'suggesting' to him that it may not be the best way to maximize his air force.

Enjoy being poor, Iran can in no way support that many fighters. Even with heavy support from Germany, your military budget will be gone within a week. But I know this is a WIP, so I would suggest this being a bug in your work needing to be fixed.

I may have been coming off rude, but I was trying to exclaim the fact that this was not good for his military budget, but I am sick of you getting up and getting into arguments with everybody, it's starting to get annoying. Every time there is a heated conversation, you are surely in there, so just let people talk it out. I see your concern, but I don't feel like making sure my facts are spiffed up and my words probed for what 'might' offend someone. Bob hasn't even replied, hasn't ever said he was offended, not a word. So before you go defending him, let him talk.
Pman, I have no idea.

 

[lcomstock4]

Holy crap. All I was saying, was 'suggesting' to him that it may not be the best way to maximize his air force. I may have been coming off rude, but I was trying to exclaim the fact that this was not good for his military budget, but I am sick of you getting up and getting into arguments with everybody, it's starting to get annoying. Every time there is a heated conversation, you are surely in there, so just let people talk it out. I see your concern, but I don't feel like making sure my facts are spiffed up and my words probed for what 'might' offend someone. Bob hasn't even replied, hasn't ever said he was offended, not a word. So before you go defending him, let him talk.
Pman, I have no idea.

jb is a gm. He is trying to say that that suggesting stuff is good but declaring that he can't afford something even though it may be true is the gms job. If you think something is unrealistic feel free to state that but don't make blunt declarations

 

[Spacekitty]

I wasn't online so of course I didn't reply


I honestly didn't take any offense- I value the information as I don't want to incur the massive debt the Balkans are likely Incurring.


Producing them in 6month periods will reduce the strain on my economy but I agree 1,200 will be a bit much, I already have a fair number of fighter craft built. I also need to allocate more funds to my military police and my police to increase policing of my highways and economic zones to encourage foreign investors to buy the currently empty factories, warehouses and office buildings I have built.


I have likely incurred some debt through my extensive upgrade of the Iranian Infrastructure but as long as I can get foreign investors I can begin to pay off the companies and workers I hired before it significantly affects my economy.


Although I doubt I have much debt to pay off (debt to companies) as Iran has plenty of money spare.

 

[Spacekitty]

Iran has 68billion dollars in deserve and that number is dropping, but so is its gross debt so I'm guessing they are paying it off. In 2014 their revenue was 60bil was expenses at 63bil but their revenue is rising but not their expenses by a significant amount. So by time this RP started they likely will of at least payed off their external (of 10bil) and made their revenue and expenses equal.


So after all that my foreign reserves in 2028 were at LEAST 40, maybe 45 billion.


And even with my large scale build up its doubtful I spent more than a few billion, maybe 5max meaning my infrastructure build up has not bankrupted my nation, although the added expense of maintaining these builds up will prove disastrous if I do not attract foreign investors.

 

[Spacekitty]

Statistics


GDP


Nominal: $416.5 billion


PPP: 1.357 trillion


(IMF, 2014)[2]


GDP rank


29nd (nominal) / 19th (PPP)


GDP growth


Increase 4.3% (IMF, 2014)[2]


GDP per capita


$4,769 (nominal, 96th)


$17,400 (PPP, 71st)


(IMF, 2014 est.)[2]


GDP by sector


agriculture (9.1%), industry (40.7%), services (50.3%) (2014 est.)


GDP by component


Household consumption (45.4%)


Government consumption (14.1%)


Gross fixed investment (31.1%)


Investment in inventories (1.2%)


Exports of goods/services (20.8%)


Imports of goods/services (−12.7%) (2013 est.)


Inflation (CPI)


positive decrease 16.2% (June 2015)[3]


Population below poverty line


18.7% living below $11/day (2007)[4]


3.1% living below $2/day (2006)[5]


Gini coefficient


positive decrease 0.365 (FY 2013)[6] (List of countries)


Labor force


23.83 million (FY 2013);[7]


Unemployment


10.4% (FY 2013)[7]


Average net salary


Urban households:


17 million Rialsymbol.svg, monthly (FY 2013)[6]


Rural households:


10 million Rialsymbol.svg, monthly (FY 2013)[6]


Main industries


petroleum, petrochemicals, fertilizers, caustic soda, car manufacture, parts, pharmaceuticals, home appliances, electronics, telecom, energy, power, textiles, construction, cement and other construction materials, food processing (particularly sugar refining and vegetable oil production), ferrous and non-ferrous metal fabrication, armaments


Ease-of-doing-business rank


Increase 132nd (2014)[8]


External


Exports


Increase $95.71 billion (2014 est.)


Export goods


petroleum (80%), chemical and petrochemical products, automobiles, fruits and nuts, carpets


Main export partners


China 26.8%


Turkey 11%


India 10.6%


Japan 7.3%


South Korea 5.9% (2013 est.)


Imports


Increase $61.25 billion (2014 est.)


Import goods


industrial raw materials and intermediate goods (46%), capital goods (35%), foodstuffs and other consumer goods (19%), technical services


Main import partners


United Arab Emirates 35.8%


China 18.6%


India 6.4%


South Korea 5.8%


Turkey 5.4% (2013 est.)


FDI stock


Home: Increase $41.45 billion (31 December 2013 est.) (56th; 2012)


Abroad:Increase $3.645 billion (31 December 2013 est.) (66th; 2012)


Gross external debt


positive decrease $10.17 billion (2014 est.)


Public finances


Public debt


positive decrease 11.4% of GDP (2014 est.);


note: includes publicly guaranteed debt


Budget deficit


positive decrease -0.7% of GDP (2014 est.)


Revenues


$60.46 billion (2014 est.) (on exchange rate basis, not PPP)


Expenses


$63.25 billion (2014 est.) (on exchange rate basis)


Economic aid


$121 million (2008 est.)[9]


Credit rating


Economist Intelligence Unit:


CCC (Sovereign risk)


CCC (Currency risk)


CC (Bank sector risk)


CC (Political risk)


B (Economic structure risk)


CC (Country risk)


(February 2014)[10]


Foreign reserves


Decrease $68.06 billion (31 December 2013 est.)


$74.06 billion (2012)


$110 billion (2011)[11]


$80 billion (2010)[11]


note: most of Iran's forex reserves are frozen abroad

 

[Spacekitty]

The economy of Iran is a mixed and transition economy with a large public sector. Some 60% of the economy is centrally planned.[12][13] It is dominated by oil and gas production, although over 40 industries are directly involved in the Tehran Stock Exchange, one of the best performing exchanges in the world over the past decade.[14][15] With 10% of the world's proven oil reserves and 15% of its gas reserves, Iran is considered an "energy superpower".[16][17][18][19]


It is the world's eighteenth largest by purchasing power parity (PPP) and twenty-nine by nominal gross domestic product. The country is a member of Next Eleven because of its high development potential.[15][20][21][22] A unique feature of Iran's economy is the presence of large religious foundations called Bonyad, whose combined budgets represent more than 30% of central government spending.[23]


Price controls and subsidies, particularly on food and energy,[24][25] burden the economy. Contraband, administrative controls, widespread corruption,[26][27] and other restrictive factors undermine private sector-led growth.[28] The legislature in late 2009 passed the subsidy reform plan. This is the most extensive economic reform since the government implemented gasoline rationing in 2007. [28]


Most of the country's exports are oil and gas, accounting for a majority of government revenue in 2010.[29] Oil export revenues enabled Iran to amass well over $100 billion in foreign exchange reserves as of 2010.[30][31] Iran ranked first in scientific growth in the world in 2011 and has one of the fastest development in telecommunication globally.[32][33]


Due to its relative isolation from global financial markets, Iran was initially able to avoid recession in the aftermath of the 2008 global financial crisis.[34] Yet, following increasingly stringent sanctions imposed by the international community as a result of the country's nuclear program,[35][36] oil exports fell by half, allowing Iraqi oil exports to overtake Iran's for the first time since the 1980s.[37] In September 2012, the Iranian rial fell to a record low of 23,900 to the US dollar.[38]


Exports aided self-sufficiency and domestic investment, although double-digit unemployment and inflation remain problematic.[39] Iran's educated population, high human development, constrained economy and insufficient foreign and domestic investment prompted an increasing number of Iranians to seek overseas employment, resulting in a significant "brain drain".[

 

[Spacekitty]

Some of Iran's reserves are frozen kr basically frozen due to economic sanctions, how would that factor in?

Spoiler

Some Iranian assets are frozen, that is, they cannot be used by their owners (whether the Iranian government or other entities). The Treasury Department's most recent "Terrorist Assets Report" cites $1.973 billion of Iranian financial assets frozen in the United States, and $19 million of unfrozen assets (e.g., funds belonging to Iran's UN mission, which are protected by diplomatic immunity). Due to problems evaluating the worth of real estate, the report's figures do not include tangible property (e.g., 650 Fifth Avenue in New York City, a building worth at least $800 million, which a court has ordered frozen).


Other Iranian assets are subject to such heavy restrictions that they might as well be frozen. When the EU adopted tight restrictions on financial transactions with the Islamic Republic, Iranian banks and companies could not access money they had in Europe or were owed by Europeans. A prominent example is the $2.3 billion that Shell says it owes the National Iranian Oil Company (NIOC) for crude supplies delivered before the restrictions took effect (oil is typically paid for thirty or more days after delivery).


But the largest funds often described as frozen are those held in the central banks of countries to which Iran has recently been selling oil, especially China, Japan, India, and South Korea. These assets total at least $50 billion, and by some accounts more. Iranians are learning how to use these funds to purchase items in the countries where they are being held; that is, most of the restrictions only prevent use of the money to buy goods from third countries. Both Treasury Secretary Jacob Lew and Central Bank of Iran (CBI) governor Valiollah Seif have stated that $20 billion or more of these restricted funds are already committed for future Iranian purchases, arguing that this money should not be included in any calculation of assets that will become available to Iran once the nuclear deal is implemented. A different way of interpreting this fact is that the funds in question were never really frozen in the first place, illustrating how Iran retained substantial access to foreign markets well before the nuclear deal was signed. This is especially true in the case of China: Iranians have been able to spend more than $20 billion of oil revenues held in Chinese banks, using them to purchase Chinese goods and services

 

[Spacekitty]

Now I hadn't done the research the BN2 cost yet, but I will post that after this. Now the Saeqeh 2 is what most people call, the next generation of a F-5 knockoff. Because during the 1960s USA sold pre-revolutionary Iran around 150 F-5s, (They were allies at the time) now in the early 2000s Iran wanted to have an aircraft they could say was up to the standard of the highly acclaimed F-18 A/E Hornet, so basing it heavily off the F-5 they developed the HESA Saeqeh, modernizing the armament and some other tweaks, Now they are testing the Saeqeh 2, a more modernized Saeqeh. Now I couldn't find an exact cost of the fighters (Iran is a police state, not too easy finding information on them) but the cost of the F-5 was 2.1 Million dollars, now adding with all the tweaks and upgrades I say the Saeqeh 2s are 3 Million (Although I am being VERY generous) dollars. At that cost, building 600 of them (Not including the BN2s mind you) would be 1,800,000,000 Billion dollars, that's a lot for little ol' Iran. Then the cost of maintaining them every year, will just let's say at half the cost of the original construction payment (I know, really expensive, but it's true. Kind of why we don't have like thousands of them in just one air force) every year. He would have to retire them at the same rate he constructed them to avoid economic distress. Also, I was just providing a tip so he doesn't screw up his economy, trying to be a good guy and all, but if you want me to be an ass, I can do the Kasumi equivalent (Long story, ask either Vader, Kasumi, Pman, or Blaze about it)

I could support that as I would be selling and retiring outdated planes


And Iran has the potential to dominate the world economy and has a large budget so I can afford that


Talk to the Balkans, their the ones who should be in trouble

 

[Serenade]

I wasn't online so of course I didn't reply
I honestly didn't take any offense- I value the information as I don't want to incur the massive debt the Balkans are likely Incurring.


Producing them in 6month periods will reduce the strain on my economy but I agree 1,200 will be a bit much, I already have a fair number of fighter craft built. I also need to allocate more funds to my military police and my police to increase policing of my highways and economic zones to encourage foreign investors to buy the currently empty factories, warehouses and office buildings I have built.


I have likely incurred some debt through my extensive upgrade of the Iranian Infrastructure but as long as I can get foreign investors I can begin to pay off the companies and workers I hired before it significantly affects my economy.


Although I doubt I have much debt to pay off (debt to companies) as Iran has plenty of money spare.

The Balkans have been heavily militriazing itself but has taken actions to improve the economy as well, we have signed an economic treaty with the Nordic Union and South Africa, begin tapping into Adriatic and Black Sea gas reserves and etc. I would say we are doing pretty fine. Not to mention, I haven't bought much, just produced a bunch of machines that the Balkans could produce locally and use local supplies. Limited cost!

 

[Elucid]

India Is an Economic powerhouse right now especially since I have 2 puppet states.


P.S am i the first with puppet states?

 

[Spacekitty]

MWAHAHAHA NO MORE SANCTIONS IN INDIA FOR IRAN! INDIAN INVESTORS SHALL COME FLOWING IN!


Now to unfreeze my 50billion dollar assets in China

 

[Spacekitty]

The Balkans have been heavily militriazing itself but has taken actions to improve the economy as well, we have signed an economic treaty with the Nordic Union and South Africa, begin tapping into Adriatic and Black Sea gas reserves and etc. I would say we are doing pretty fine. Not to mention, I haven't bought much, just produced a bunch of machines that the Balkans could produce locally and use local supplies. Limited cost!

producing so many tanks and planes, as well with maintaining them costs money


but with oil being so valuable you could support them

 

[Serenade]

producing so many tanks and planes, as well with maintaining them costs money
but with oil being so valuable you could support them

producing so many tanks and planes, as well with maintaining them costs money
but with oil being so valuable you could support them

According to my caluclator and Global Firepower, if I manage to drill all proven oil reserves in the countries I have now, oil output will be 1/5 with you and many billions of gas.

 

[Serenade]

Now, off to finding my defense budget...

 

[Spacekitty]

So, when will you invade Turkey, eh? They are ranked 10 in global firepower


Iran is ranked 27 today but that may be higher in this RP as Iran has more resources (oil) and with Iraq being captured that amount shall only increase

 

[Spacekitty]

Now, off to finding my defense budget...

its an imaginary country so good luck xD ,


combine budgets of countries within it? Unless they have their own militaries, then you take a portion from each

 

[Serenade]

its an imaginary country so good luck xD ,
combine budgets of countries within it? Unless they have their own militaries, then you take a portion from each

I'm combining all the budgets of my countries.

 

[Spacekitty]

The Nordic Union thinks its more powerful than it really is... Germany would RAPE them

 

[Spacekitty]

Based on 2015 I have a 10.2 billion military budget. Although that has increased with my economy but I don't currently have an estimate for 2032. I was thinking somewhere in the 15-20 billion range, 25billion as an optimistic estimate

 

[Spacekitty]

Time to negotiate an end to sanctions in China...

 

[Spacekitty]

Yay most of my assets are unfrozen. Economic disaster avoided!


Sanctions with china and India ended, my economy can grow!