Yozi death effects on GSPs

[strawberryleaves]

A thread on WW about how to kill Malfeas made me wonder about the relationship of the Five to their Infernals.


What happens to those GSPs if their patron Yozi becomes a Neverborn? I know there's nothing in canon about this, so any speculation is welcome.

 

[Ledaal Kajiri]

Considering that killing Primordials tends to kill entire concepts with them...probably nothing good. The easiest answer, is they get a bit of conversion. But...that's the easy way out. Another simple possibility would be they remain the same. Still, it's been hinted at some points in the books that the current Exalted aren't the only Exalted there were at the start of the Primordial War...just the ones whose deities survived it...and the others destroyed themselves in insane fury. However, that's only been hinted at, not proven...in part because much of the Primordial War is hardyly more than a dream, even to its survivors, so much was destroyed and changed. In many ways, destroying Primordials, or even their corrupted, lessened modern selves, is likely to be expensive, and have costs and effects that no one can predict...not even other Primordials. Kill She Who Lives in Her Name, and you take with her the concept of hierarchy. What effect would that have on Creation? Just asking what happens to the GSP of a Yozi that falls, is likely not enough.

 

[Sherwood]

The GSPs have their Essence shards bound to a physical body - the phylactray womb - prior to them being sent out in the claws of a demon to find a host to Exalt. Unless that body is destroyed, whenever an Infernal dies, its shard goes right back there and waits for a loving Primordial to pull it out. Assuming that some of the Yozis are taken out, unless they are all killed, there will be a Primordial waiting to take control of the sleeping shards and use them.

 

[wordman]

GSPs are actually built to be able to evolve beyond the constraints of their Yozi, or else they would be unable to break the Yoizs out of prison. Even if all the Yozi's died, the Infernals would probably remain.


The most likely trouble would be that the charm set they get from the Yozi might entirely vanish.


Take look at a quick comment from Holden Schearer, a good look at a longer comment from him, then a repeated reading of one of Nephs musings (extracted from a forum, I think). The combination is noteworthy, because it paints a picture that doesn't seem to be painted very well in the actual book. (It's also a bit more interesting.)

 

[Thanqol]

The book actually has an answer on this: "Your guess is as good as anyone's".


I'd figure the power of the Yozi would remain alive through the GSP, possibly giving the potential for some sort of heroic-sacrifice-resurrection of the slain Neverborn.


In fact...


Perhaps that's the Ebon Dragon's Plan!


Perhaps his plan is to have all the Yozi die and become Neverborn, and have their GSP's go down to Oblivion, stand in the newly created tombs of the Neverborn, and remind their slain masters who they were. Thus bringing them back to life as pure, unfettered Primordials.


And the entire Reclamation is just them doing their best to provoke Heaven or whoever into invading. They know their 50 GSPs have no chance of defeating Creation, and they know the oaths they've sworn have made anything but failure ultimately impossible.


So they're going to fail the ultimate failure.


And come back from it.


My god, that's exactly how the Ebon Dragon would think. That's exactly how he does think!

 

[krrackknut]

Congratulations. You won the Internet.

 

[syys]

According to the Infernals book, the GSPs anchor the Yozis, so that as long as a single GSP of a specific Yozi remains, that Yozi cannot become a Neverborn.

 

[Thanqol]

According to the Infernals book, the GSPs anchor the Yozis, so that as long as a single GSP of a specific Yozi remains, that Yozi cannot become a Neverborn.

Exactly. Except they die, and then their Anchor returns them from death by reminding them of what they were. Without them pesky oaths.