Other Why do people RP Abuse x Abused, Dom x Sub, Bully x Bullied, etc.?

[Pandaskel]

I see that a lot in the 1x1 searches and I guess I'm just curious. Maybe it's not the vomit inducing unhealthy scenarios I picture? Or maybe I'm just too vanilla? Enlighten me.

 

[official clown business]

I can't explain it too well but sometimes a person just stumbles across something that can be perceived as very strange to be interested in from the public eye, but god damn it they love it and can't get away from it. I don't think it's unhealthy or anything depending on the circumstances, but they're, well, into it, I guess.

I really hope I'm not going too far as to say it's somewhat like (if not totally similar) to a fetish, and this is one of the milder ones out there.

Now, imagine if everyone here revealed that kind of abnormal interest at once. You would see a lot of things that would be quite strange and perhaps even downright appalling. But somehow there are one or two people in the crowd whose interests you're totally fine with somehow, as much as you might not want to admit it.

I dunno, that's just my thoughts on that kind of stuff.

 

[Killigrew]

I see that a lot in the 1x1 searches and I guess I'm just curious. Maybe it's not the vomit inducing unhealthy scenarios I picture? Or maybe I'm just too vanilla? Enlighten me.

You can never be too 'vanilla.' Perhaps you lack certainty on your stance, however, but it's always good to consider things until you are legitimately sure on your position.

Have you heard of Edgar Allen Poe's quote on the perverse nature of humanity? In "The Imp of Perversion," he says,

I am not more certain that I breathe, than that the assurance of the wrong or error of any action is often the one unconquerable force which impels us, and alone impels us to its prosecution. Nor will this overwhelming tendency to do wrong for the wrong's sake, admit of analysis, or resolution into ulterior elements. It is a radical, a primitive impulse-elementary.
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Take particular note of the phrase "overwhelming tendency to do wrong for the wrong's sake" and realize that he also cannot fathom the why of it. This coming from the man who was soaked in booze and drugs and could not himself resist the urges. Although he was compelled to do "wrong for wrong's sake," he couldn't understand why, and so he called it "primitive impulse-elementary."

That is the sum of it. A true and real driving force in us drives us to do the taboo, to press on past the boundary, to disobey the law, and gives us pleasure to do it. Why, you might ask, why does it appeal? Wouldn't it be beneficial to all if all were obedient and kind? You're not wrong, but this is our nature to do wrong, to transgress simply because we can. An innate evil exists within man, and it is our tendency to accept it rather than tame it.

"The heart is more deceitful than all else and is desperately sick; who can understand it?" Jer 17:9

 

[Pandaskel]

You can never be too 'vanilla.' Perhaps you lack certainty on your stance, however, but it's always good to consider things until you are legitimately sure on your position.

Have you heard of Edgar Allen Poe's quote on the perverse nature of humanity? In "The Imp of Perversion," he says,

I am not more certain that I breathe, than that the assurance of the wrong or error of any action is often the one unconquerable force which impels us, and alone impels us to its prosecution. Nor will this overwhelming tendency to do wrong for the wrong's sake, admit of analysis, or resolution into ulterior elements. It is a radical, a primitive impulse-elementary.
​

Take particular note of the phrase "overwhelming tendency to do wrong for the wrong's sake" and realize that he also cannot fathom the why of it. This coming from the man who was soaked in booze and drugs and could not himself resist the urges. Although he was compelled to do "wrong for wrong's sake," he couldn't understand why, and so he called it "primitive impulse-elementary."

That is the sum of it. A true and real driving force in us drives us to do the taboo, to press on past the boundary, to disobey the law, and gives us pleasure to do it. Why, you might ask, why does it appeal? Wouldn't it be beneficial to all if all were obedient and kind? You're not wrong, but this is our nature to do wrong, to transgress simply because we can. An innate evil exists within man, and it is our tendency to accept it rather than tame it.

"The heart is more deceitful than all else and is desperately sick; who can understand it?" Jer 17:9

As a devout Christian, pretty much the only thing I can say in reply is: I know. XD I'm so sorry for reducing your eloquent and thoughtful reply to something so base, but yes, I already knew all of that.

However, here's the thing: RPing those things is not wrong or evil or whatever. Not inherently. It depends on the reasoning. For example, someone could RP Abuser x Abused in order to explore abusive relationships through the use of literature so as to explore an unfortunately common human experience and gain empathy for those who have suffered those sorts of situations, and perhaps to ponder possible solutions or redemptions for such a scenario. So your reply doesn't really answer my question.

What I wanted was for someone who has actually had experience with these types of RP's to explain to me why they do it. I'm not condemning them or saying it's wrong to do or they shouldn't do it. I want to know why they do it. Open-mindedness, my boi. That's what it's all about for me. I wanna know the inside perspective, not just base my opinion on assumptions.

 

[Pandaskel]

I can't explain it too well but sometimes a person just stumbles across something that can be perceived as very strange to be interested in from the public eye, but god damn it they love it and can't get away from it. I don't think it's unhealthy or anything depending on the circumstances, but they're, well, into it, I guess.

I really hope I'm not going too far as to say it's somewhat like (if not totally similar) to a fetish, and this is one of the milder ones out there.

Now, imagine if everyone here revealed that kind of abnormal interest at once. You would see a lot of things that would be quite strange and perhaps even downright appalling. But somehow there are one or two people in the crowd whose interests you're totally fine with somehow, as much as you might not want to admit it.

I dunno, that's just my thoughts on that kind of stuff.

Totally, man, I think that's all valid. But in that case, I may as well be asking why people fetishize pregnant male cartoon characters, sexualize animals (I know not all furries are sexual about it but some are), or ship the Onceler with himself.

I'm wanting more specific reasoning. But thanks so much for your thoughts!

 

[official clown business]

My bad, mate. I definitely don't do any of those and am fairly certain most of the people on discussions don't really do it either, so it might be easier to just head over and ask 'em - unless maybe others could benefit from viewing such a perspective.

 

[Pandaskel]

My bad, mate. I definitely don't do any of those and am fairly certain most of the people on discussions don't really do it either, so it might be easier to just head over and ask 'em - unless maybe others could benefit from viewing such a perspective.

I'd rather not directly confront anyone about something they enjoy that I see as strange. I don't wanna make anyone feel accused. I'll wait for someone on this thread to let me know what's up.

 

[Killigrew]

As a devout Christian

I wanna know the inside perspective, not just base my opinion on assumptions.

However, here's the thing: RPing those things is not wrong or evil or whatever. Not inherently. It depends on the reasoning.

What do you call evil? Only that which cannot be explained away by reasoning?
I'm also very confused, because at first it seemed like you were agreeing with me, but now it seems like we stand on two sides of a chasm.

Abuser x Abused in order to explore abusive relationships through the use of literature so as to explore an unfortunately common human experience and gain empathy for those who have suffered those sorts of situations, and perhaps to ponder possible solutions or redemptions for such a scenario

That's kind of a different question from the OP. At first you were asking why people would write something like that, and now you're asking about when people could do it in a way that may be beneficial to someone who's abused. Those are two separate avenues of thought, I'd say. RPs are for casual fun, and they're most certainly not the same as a movie that seeks to document and explain to many people the true events people suffer.
In the case of one who, say, wants to find a safe way of describing some horror that happened to them, I can't see them coming to RP it out, simply because it would be much easier to write it alone, AND because the stranger on the other side of the screen might just make it a new nightmare to live through.

I'm not condemning them or saying it's wrong to do or they shouldn't do it. I want to know why they do it. Open-mindedness, my boi. That's what it's all about for me. I wanna know the inside perspective, not just base my opinion on assumptions.

Hopefully you mean you don't have a position on whether it's wrong yet -- but if you mean that you don't see it as necessary to express your position since you want to hear them out, I find that both unnecessarily timid and double-minded. Consider ideas carefully, sure, but there's no merit in not picking sides. That's pretty much the definition of a coward, right? It would be more seemly to say what your real position is (with all respect and politeness, of course) instead of hiding behind a veil of neutrality, Mr. Oz.
I don't mean to resort to name-calling, but I mean to use it as the proper abstract use of the word.

 

[Pandaskel]

What do you call evil? Only that which cannot be explained away by reasoning?
I'm also very confused, because at first it seemed like you were agreeing with me, but now it seems like we stand on two sides of a chasm.


That's kind of a different question from the OP. At first you were asking why people would write something like that, and now you're asking about when people could do it in a way that may be beneficial to someone who's abused. Those are two separate avenues of thought, I'd say. RPs are for casual fun, and they're most certainly not the same as a movie that seeks to document and explain to many people the true events people suffer.
In the case of one who, say, wants to find a safe way of describing some horror that happened to them, I can't see them coming to RP it out, simply because it would be much easier to write it alone, AND because the stranger on the other side of the screen might just make it a new nightmare to live through.


Hopefully you mean you don't have a position on whether it's wrong yet -- but if you mean that you don't see it as necessary to express your position since you want to hear them out, I find that both unnecessarily timid and double-minded. Consider ideas carefully, sure, but there's no merit in not picking sides. That's pretty much the definition of a coward, right? It would be more seemly to say what your real position is (with all respect and politeness, of course) instead of hiding behind a veil of neutrality, Mr. Oz.
I don't mean to resort to name-calling, but I mean to use it as the proper abstract use of the word.

Wooooooaaaaaaaah-ho-ho-ho there, man. You're taking this waaaay too seriously for a Magnificent Humanicorn. You must be fun at parties, huh?

Not gonna reply to literally any of what you said. If you really wanna discuss this and get down and dirty, PM me. You're taking away from what I made this thread to be.

 

[Damafaud]

Don't know for others, but I'm interested in how well can I picture the extreme emotions people feel during those kind of situation. Granted, I live a decent life and only faced mild annoyance compared to brutal abuse or bullying often portrayed by stories and various RPs, but the unknown makes me interested.

It's not that I want to feel those emotions or go through abuse. No one does, except weird people. But to try and delve into situations you have never feel before, to broaden your empathy, isn't that good? By relating more to others, you can be more sympathetic toward others. Also, it allows you to write richer characters in RP.

 

[Caroline1539]

From what I can guess (I don't really participate in this sort of thing unless it's an unmentioned dom x sub, in which case I take it as nsfw territory), people roleplay abusive or bully x bullied relationships because they either like the artificial power or weakness given by playing either role, or they take it as an exercise to better understand the power dynamics within such a relationship and explore why and how they occur. The latter case is much rarer in my opinion.

I would say that's pretty much the case for all three of these types of scenarios, actually. From what I understand from observing people and why and how they play the roles they do, playing either role lets them explore something they don't really get to experience within the real world, all without the nastiness and the consequences that the real life counterparts of those relationships hold.

To put it simply, role-playing these types of things offers them a safe environment to explore without anyone actually getting hurt.

 

[World crafter]

Far too vanilla.

People A: Love to abuse.

B: People with a low self esteem, kick on pain. Like people that cut.

 

[Strawberry Ink]

Maybe I'm the odd one out, but I find stuff like bully x bullied interesting in the sense that I like redemption stories and exploring characters. What makes a bully, for example? What makes someone a target? Is there ever a situation where the bully could be forgiven? Or what would be the reaction if the bullied person snapped under the pressure? Is there any remorse? Tough situations like those are so fascinating to me! Unfortunately, I haven't found anyone willing to explore those themes so far.

 

[Sir Fungus]

They probably role play these type of subjects because they cant do it in real life and they just want to have fun on the internet world, I can respect them for that seeing as how its hard to find anyone willing to do stuff like this. But hey, that’s just my opinion.

 

[Pandaskel]

Far too vanilla.

People A: Love to abuse.

B: People with a low self esteem, kick on pain. Like people that cut.

Edgy. People like that are, like, so cringe-worthy, OML, savage, lol


Apart from Mr. I-Have-The-World-Figured-Out over here, thank you all for your insight! It's starting to clear up the mud a bit! I think it's important to explore why we RP in the first place, and then move on to why we RP specific things.

I feel like the two sides of RPing are people who live vicariously through their characters (people who tend to only play the gender they identify as, make their characters very much like themselves, play out scenarios they would like to be in such as fandoms, etc.) and people who RP for the literary aspect (people who like developing unique characters, world building, etc.). So from that, you can get all sorts of reasoning.

For the Literary type, I understand why you could want to play out those scenarios. Like I said before, it is indeed a human experience that could and should be explored, even by those who've never experienced it. I really like the way Damafaud put it, in terms of how the player can benefit and become a better person from such exploration:

Don't know for others, but I'm interested in how well can I picture the extreme emotions people feel during those kind of situation. Granted, I live a decent life and only faced mild annoyance compared to brutal abuse or bullying often portrayed by stories and various RPs, but the unknown makes me interested.

It's not that I want to feel those emotions or go through abuse. No one does, except weird people. But to try and delve into situations you have never feel before, to broaden your empathy, isn't that good? By relating more to others, you can be more sympathetic toward others. Also, it allows you to write richer characters in RP.

I also like the way Strawberry Ink outlined the exploration process, not just for the sake of empathy, but for the sake of analyzing the human condition, story and character development, and even, to a certain point, philosophy:

Maybe I'm the odd one out, but I find stuff like bully x bullied interesting in the sense that I like redemption stories and exploring characters. What makes a bully, for example? What makes someone a target? Is there ever a situation where the bully could be forgiven? Or what would be the reaction if the bullied person snapped under the pressure? Is there any remorse? Tough situations like those are so fascinating to me! Unfortunately, I haven't found anyone willing to explore those themes so far.

As for the Vicarious type, I think Caroline1539 and Sir Fungus hit the nail on the head. Due to evolutionary competition (natural selection, "survival of the fittest"), human have an internal desire for power and dominance. At the same time, we also really like sympathy (not empathy, but sympathy) or pity and often like to be victimized. It sounds ugly, but it really is true. I know I love it when my mom strokes my hair and says, "Poor baby." It shows care and warrants attention, and we like that. So I can see why someone might want to experience either a dominant position or a victimized position, just due to human nature. (The extreme of this would be, of course, BDSM.)

From what I can guess (I don't really participate in this sort of thing unless it's an unmentioned dom x sub, in which case I take it as nsfw territory), people roleplay abusive or bully x bullied relationships because they either like the artificial power or weakness given by playing either role, or they take it as an exercise to better understand the power dynamics within such a relationship and explore why and how they occur. The latter case is much rarer in my opinion.

I would say that's pretty much the case for all three of these types of scenarios, actually. From what I understand from observing people and why and how they play the roles they do, playing either role lets them explore something they don't really get to experience within the real world, all without the nastiness and the consequences that the real life counterparts of those relationships hold.

To put it simply, role-playing these types of things offers them a safe environment to explore without anyone actually getting hurt.

They probably role play these type of subjects because they cant do it in real life and they just want to have fun on the internet world, I can respect them for that seeing as how its hard to find anyone willing to do stuff like this. But hey, that’s just my opinion.

Looking forward to seeing more thoughts on the topic! This has been fun to explore so far!

 

[rae2nerdy]

lol if I may, as someone who works in libraries and spent probably a unfortunate amount of my formative years reading trashy harlequin romances you all might be over thinking this a little.

The pairings above are all romance types found in a lot of romance novels ( YA, Harlequin, Erotica, and even the well written ones ).

So yeah I just see it as people picking the romance story they most like from popular media and putting it in a pairing.

As for the power imbalance side of it, look in real life a lot of these pairing would be at best questionable to outright illegal ( depending on what exactly we're talking about in terms of the pairing ) But remember this is FICTION. No one is really advocating these relationships in real life just writing out a romance story based on things they like to read.

It would be like saying - Anyone who reads Fifty Shades of Grey must want to be in an abusive relationship. Which just isn't true in fact a good deal of people who read Fifty Shades of Grey for pleasure don't even consider it an abusive relationship they consider it a romance. Because they're focused on fluffier aspects of it - The getting nice things, the rich man fawning over the insecure girl, etc.

Now in real life Christian Grey is a monster. But in fiction he's just an idealized version of what a lot of women see as a romantic lead.

It's the same with any of these power imbalance roleplays. The people aren't roleplaying REALITY they're roleplaying an idealized version of what they consider to be a romantic story.

It might not be your cup of tea but I wouldn't worry about it. Unless the person seems the sort to confuse fantasy with reality for the most part these are just harmless romantic tropes that people find fun to play.

 

[Idea]

Well, while I can't completely defend the use of those types of pairings, as I've ranted in the past about the annoyance that the use of terms like "dom and sub" for RPing causes me, ESPECIALLY when it comes attached to a player who is either using as an excuse to shove work onto another or reducing the characters to their roles, I do occasionally have some plots or pairing where my character is victimized or put into a position of lower power. I never really thought about why those roles might have been appealing to me before, but it is an interesting point.


Looking back at it, whenever I did it the role was hardly what satisfies me. That is, say, being the servant wasn't by itself what interested me, but rather it was either that it allowed to be better reach and fit another aspect of the character or it helped me shape how my character was meant to be perceived, usually either in the comedic form by humiliation or in the tragic take pity on me format by wanting them to be forced into servitude by some self-sacrifice or something else that also inspired pity, or was supposed to.

An example that comes to my mind was this one time when I made a plot where my character was a robot thrown into a dumpster which was found and used as a toy by a child played by the other player. I believe this example contains a bit of both the things I stated I wanted. On one hand, the role allowed me to make my character this sentient robot. On the other hand I wanted to give the other player freedom to make my character do things which were strange or embarrassing, letting them perceive my character as more of a, well, toy than a person.


As much as I would like to give a grand reason for this particular inclination I used to have and in some sense am not yet totally disconnected from yet, seeing how I still love to make my characters tragic or make them do stupid stuff, though nowadays I use it for message or characterization rather than an end of their own, I don't have a big flashy reason or some architectural meaning behind the idea of playing those pairings, not unless I get all Freudian but if I did that I'd probably start making up stuff midway through because I never actually put much thought into this before...


Still, it is an interesting thing to ponder about, so thanks Pandaskel for bringing this to my attention

 

[Pandaskel]

lol if I may, as someone who works in libraries and spent probably a unfortunate amount of my formative years reading trashy harlequin romances you all might be over thinking this a little.

The pairings above are all romance types found in a lot of romance novels ( YA, Harlequin, Erotica, and even the well written ones ).

So yeah I just see it as people picking the romance story they most like from popular media and putting it in a pairing.

As for the power imbalance side of it, look in real life a lot of these pairing would be at best questionable to outright illegal ( depending on what exactly we're talking about in terms of the pairing ) But remember this is FICTION. No one is really advocating these relationships in real life just writing out a romance story based on things they like to read.

It would be like saying - Anyone who reads Fifty Shades of Grey must want to be in an abusive relationship. Which just isn't true in fact a good deal of people who read Fifty Shades of Grey for pleasure don't even consider it an abusive relationship they consider it a romance. Because they're focused on fluffier aspects of it - The getting nice things, the rich man fawning over the insecure girl, etc.

Now in real life Christian Grey is a monster. But in fiction he's just an idealized version of what a lot of women see as a romantic lead.

It's the same with any of these power imbalance roleplays. The people aren't roleplaying REALITY they're roleplaying an idealized version of what they consider to be a romantic story.

It might not be your cup of tea but I wouldn't worry about it. Unless the person seems the sort to confuse fantasy with reality for the most part these are just harmless romantic tropes that people find fun to play.

Nobody's overthinking anything. There's no such thing. Everything should be questioned and analyzed and thought about to the deepest, fullest extent. But thanks for your concern.

A lot of your points make a lot of sense, and I'm really glad you brought up the fact that these pairings most likely came from mediocre romance movies/novels.

Though, all you've said just leads to more questions: Where did those tropes come from? Why did/do those romance authors write these pairings? Is it the same reason people RP them? Vicarious and Literary purposes? Did it come from a certain era? Did it come from a certain culture? Do different parts of the world have different preferences? Can we even go back as far as the fairy tales taught to our children to find races of the same mindsets?

Also, using the "It's not real" justification doesn't reeeeaaally say anything of substance. It sounds kinda like an excuse. And again, it raises more questions. DOES fiction justify what we explore in literature? Are the protagonists (and the creators) of Lolita, The Human Centipede, and Fifty Shades of Grey justified and off the hook because the stories aren't real? Because of our willing suspension of disbelief, they might as well be real, right? Or not? Maybe yes, maybe no. That's what this is all about: thinking. Not deciding on a solution and calling it good. But thanks for contributing!

Well, while I can't completely defend the use of those types of pairings, as I've ranted in the past about the annoyance that the use of terms like "dom and sub" for RPing causes me, ESPECIALLY when it comes attached to a player who is either using as an excuse to shove work onto another or reducing the characters to their roles, I do occasionally have some plots or pairing where my character is victimized or put into a position of lower power. I never really thought about why those roles might have been appealing to me before, but it is an interesting point.


Looking back at it, whenever I did it the role was hardly what satisfies me. That is, say, being the servant wasn't by itself what interested me, but rather it was either that it allowed to be better reach and fit another aspect of the character or it helped me shape how my character was meant to be perceived, usually either in the comedic form by humiliation or in the tragic take pity on me format by wanting them to be forced into servitude by some self-sacrifice or something else that also inspired pity, or was supposed to.

An example that comes to my mind was this one time when I made a plot where my character was a robot thrown into a dumpster which was found and used as a toy by a child played by the other player. I believe this example contains a bit of both the things I stated I wanted. On one hand, the role allowed me to make my character this sentient robot. On the other hand I wanted to give the other player freedom to make my character do things which were strange or embarrassing, letting them perceive my character as more of a, well, toy than a person.


As much as I would like to give a grand reason for this particular inclination I used to have and in some sense am not yet totally disconnected from yet, seeing how I still love to make my characters tragic or make them do stupid stuff, though nowadays I use it for message or characterization rather than an end of their own, I don't have a big flashy reason or some architectural meaning behind the idea of playing those pairings, not unless I get all Freudian but if I did that I'd probably start making up stuff midway through because I never actually put much thought into this before...


Still, it is an interesting thing to ponder about, so thanks Pandaskel for bringing this to my attention

Ahh, it was a means to an ends rather than RPing those aspects for the sake of playing them. I see! I've definitely written in those positions as well without really labelling it the "sub" or "bottom". And I really like what you said, about reducing a character to their roles. It's very two-dimensional, I think.

Interesting thing I just remembered: In every 1x1 search thread I've seen (literally every single one) that included these pairings, the person doing the search wanted to be sub/bullied/victim/abused. I've literally never seen anyone want to be the dom. I definitely think you're right about subconsciously wanting to make the other person work more. It must be easy to make a shy character who looks at their feet and gets dragged around by the hand all the time.


Thank you both for the great points of view! Let's keep this going!

 

[Noble Scion]

People enjoy positions of power, as power is seductive, and people enjoy being told what to do, as not needing to think is relaxing.

It is roleplaying, after all, it’s fake, it doesn’t work out how it’s supposed to, but small fantasies like that are found entertaining. I recommend if they bug you to just ignore them, as in the end they’re not doing anything worse than an inaccurate portrayal, but that’s not exactly a crime xD

It’s just a pleasant fantasy where everyone gets to see everything work out, or not work out, as it may go. Creative freedom and all that =3

 

[rae2nerdy]

When I say over-thinking I mean you are looking for deep discussion on what is for most people a fairly superficial thing. People roleplay romance because they like it. It makes them happy, gives them some escapism, etc.

It's not like ( to use the Fifty Shades metaphor ) - Well I roleplay master and slave roleplays because I have some deep seated issues from a childhood trauma that I'm working through in roleplay form.

It could honestly just be something as simple - Abused x Abuser is something I like from A Royal Weekend by Venus McLove so I want to write a roleplay like that.

Or Master x Slave relationships are really integral to this Fantasy World I made up. And I want to write this story of Master X and Slave Y teaming up and trying to track down the Magical McGuffin of Awesome Supreme Power. And ooooh maybe they'll fall in love along the way. *wink wink nudge nudge*

( note : to the best of my knowledge there is not actually a book called a royal weekend by venus mclove but if there is please note i was not calling out that book specifically just making a point )

As to why people have particular fantasies, why romance is so popular as a genre in pop culture, and what prompts a particular type of romance getting more exposure than others?

I suggest you go to your local library and ask a librarian to help you find the more academic answers to those questions. ( or if you want I can try to help you narrow down a google search or find specific books on the subject )

 

[Pandaskel]

When I say over-thinking I mean you are looking for deep discussion on what is for most people a fairly superficial thing. People roleplay romance because they like it. It makes them happy, gives them some escapism, etc.

It's not like ( to use the Fifty Shades metaphor ) - Well I roleplay master and slave roleplays because I have some deep seated issues from a childhood trauma that I'm working through in roleplay form.

It could honestly just be something as simple - Abused x Abuser is something I like from A Royal Weekend by Venus McLove so I want to write a roleplay like that.

Or Master x Slave relationships are really integral to this Fantasy World I made up. And I want to write this story of Master X and Slave Y teaming up and trying to track down the Magical McGuffin of Awesome Supreme Power. And ooooh maybe they'll fall in love along the way. *wink wink nudge nudge*

( note : to the best of my knowledge there is not actually a book called a royal weekend by venus mclove but if there is please note i was not calling out that book specifically just making a point )

As to why people have particular fantasies, why romance is so popular as a genre in pop culture, and what prompts a particular type of romance getting more exposure than others?

I suggest you go to your local library and ask a librarian to help you find the more academic answers to those questions. ( or if you want I can try to help you narrow down a google search or find specific books on the subject )

?????????????????????????? Why you gotsa do da mudda avoidy timez? So very da closed minded one.

Plot twist: I can't read. Thanks for making me feel unwanted.

In all seriousness, I think that's kinda dumb. If I wanted to read academic discourse on the topic, I would have done it already. Isn't it ok to talk to strangers online about analyzations of the human condition? You sound so mean.

Actually, you sound like a mom avoiding their kids' dumb questions. Not a great mom, TBH.

 

[rae2nerdy]

?????????????????????????? Why you gotsa do da mudda avoidy timez? So very da closed minded one.

Plot twist: I can't read. Thanks for making me feel unwanted.

In all seriousness, I think that's kinda dumb. If I wanted to read academic discourse on the topic, I would have done it already. Isn't it ok to talk to strangers online about analyzations of the human condition? You sound so mean.

Actually, you sound like a mom avoiding their kids' dumb questions. Not a great mom, TBH.

I am not being close minded I am telling you that not everyone has to justify the things they like. And expecting them to do so is kind of condescending.

Also I was saying you can look up these SPECIFIC questions : why people have particular fantasies, why romance is so popular as a genre in pop culture, and what prompts a particular type of romance getting more exposure than others?

As those are questions that the people of this site can't really answer ( with the possible exception of the first one from first hand experience. )

But as I can see you are in fact the one who is childish I will not bother you any longer.

 

[Pandaskel]

I am not being close minded I am telling you that not everyone has to justify the things they like. And expecting them to do so is kind of condescending.

Also I was saying you can look up these SPECIFIC questions : why people have particular fantasies, why romance is so popular as a genre in pop culture, and what prompts a particular type of romance getting more exposure than others?

As those are questions that the people of this site can't really answer ( with the possible exception of the first one from first hand experience. )

But as I can see you are in fact the one who is childish I will not bother you any longer.

goo-goo ga-ga!!

 

[Noble Scion]

?????????????????????????? Why you gotsa do da mudda avoidy timez? So very da closed minded one.

Plot twist: I can't read. Thanks for making me feel unwanted.

In all seriousness, I think that's kinda dumb. If I wanted to read academic discourse on the topic, I would have done it already. Isn't it ok to talk to strangers online about analyzations of the human condition? You sound so mean.

Actually, you sound like a mom avoiding their kids' dumb questions. Not a great mom, TBH.

I am not being close minded I am telling you that not everyone has to justify the things they like. And expecting them to do so is kind of condescending.

Also I was saying you can look up these SPECIFIC questions : why people have particular fantasies, why romance is so popular as a genre in pop culture, and what prompts a particular type of romance getting more exposure than others?

As those are questions that the people of this site can't really answer ( with the possible exception of the first one from first hand experience. )

But as I can see you are in fact the one who is childish I will not bother you any longer.

Relax... We’re all friends here! No need to disagree. After all, this is opinion-based.
Although I will say... Panda started it xP

 

[rae2nerdy]

Not gonna lie I do appreciate someone who can petty like a boss.
Pandaskel that panda thing made me laugh.

Also just because you made me laugh I'll give you all the funniest of the petty memes I've found. Seriously if I could upvote this thread I would just for the hilarious pettiness.

This one is my favorite and biggest.

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