Viewpoint Unpopular roleplay opinions?

[rae2nerdy]

calypso I don’t think they were attacking BBC code though. They were attacking people who prioritize aesthetic over content.

For instance I don’t mind BBCcode but I absolutely don’t like it when I’m just looking at pretty pictures and no effort has been put into contributing to the roleplay itself.

There is a difference between people using graphics to enhance a roleplay and people who just want things to look pretty but don’t really care about writing.

It’s like sour milk. If I say I don’t like sour milk I’m not saying I dislike all milk. I just dislike a specific type of milk.

Saying you don’t like BBC coders who focus on asthetic over content is not the same as saying all BBC Coders only care about visuals and not content. It’s just saying a certain group do and that certain group is annoying

 

[Gowi]

I definitely sympathise but I think of it as "treat them as they treat you". Even if you make an opinion they absolutely hate they should respond with respect, rather than devolving into a flame war.

I didn't directly attack anyone and this person in question was essentially being mad for someone else. Also, I do treat people like they treat me or as I like to be treated. I prefer blunt honesty over fake niceties. I was raised with the principle that it is more respectable to be honest rather than polite for polite's sake.

 

[Crenando]

I suggest we get off of this before a mod comes in here and tells us to stop. It's happened twice already for different topics.

 

[Gowi]

I suggest we get off of this before a mod comes in here and tells us to stop. It's happened twice already for different topics.

You got it, chief.

 

[calypso]

calypso I don’t think they were attacking BBC code though. They were attacking people who prioritize aesthetic over content.

For instance I don’t mind BBCcode but I absolutely don’t like it when I’m just looking at pretty pictures and no effort has been put into contributing to the roleplay itself.

There is a difference between people using graphics to enhance a roleplay and people who just want things to look pretty but don’t really care about writing.

It’s like sour milk. If I say I don’t like sour milk I’m not saying I dislike all milk. I just dislike a specific type of milk.

Saying you don’t like BBC coders who focus on asthetic over content is not the same as saying all BBC Coders only care about visuals and not content. It’s just saying a certain group do and that certain group is annoying

In the second post they made, it seemed like they were making statements meant to insult BBcode makers. As I said before, I feel like people are just using the announcement previously made to be shitty towards BBcode makers in general, and it is a bit upsetting to see considering many of them are great writers and do lots of their work for free just for fun. It was bound to happen, but it doesn't make less upset for my friends being indirectly insulted.

 

[defenderofberk]

Unpopular enough to get heat for it?

Honestly someone will come and argue you regardless of what you post. "I hate chocolate milk" can quickly devolve into flame war.

I didn't directly attack anyone and this person in question was essentially being mad for someone else. Also, I do treat people like they treat me or as I like to be treated. I prefer blunt honesty over fake niceties. I was raised with the principle that it is more respectable to be honest rather than polite for polite's sake.

Oh definitely, but I was merely saying that it's best not to devolve into a flame war.

 

[natsukashii]

I recently became active on RPN. A lot of the types of roleplays I like seem to be popular here, so I stuck around, joined one I like, but I noticed there was a trend of overcomplicated templates. I mean, they are pretty and those who made them definitely deserve praise for all of the hard work they put into them. I'm sure nobody is discrediting them in any way/shape/form. What I do think should be acknowledged is how difficult it might be for some (note I'm saying some not all so my point isn't misunderstood) to find where they should put their written content. Of course, it's a matter of time to figure out what each code means, but for those who just want to write and post what they have written, it can be a little confusing.

Also I don't think the powers that be were trying to insult the content creators. I think they realized that certain things were too expensive to keep supporting and they needed to look at the bigger picture. Maybe, within time, they'll be able to approach the BBC+ stuff at a later date.

 

[calypso]

I recently became active on RPN. A lot of the types of roleplays I like seem to be popular here, so I stuck around, joined one I like, but I noticed there was a trend of overcomplicated templates. I mean, they are pretty and those who made them definitely deserve praise for all of the hard work they put into them. I'm sure nobody is discrediting them in any way/shape/form. What I do think should be acknowledged is how difficult it might be for some (note I'm saying some not all so my point isn't misunderstood) to find where they should put their written content. Of course, it's a matter of time to figure out what each code means, but for those who just want to write and post what they have written, it can be a little confusing.

Also I don't think the powers that be were trying to insult the content creators. I think they realized that certain things were too expensive to keep supporting and they needed to look at the bigger picture. Maybe, within time, they'll be able to approach the BBC+ stuff at a later date.

I absolutely do not believe the mods and admins were trying to upset or insult content creators, since many staff members create code themselves. I agree that there can be overly-complicated code, but I still appreciate the work put into the code itself. It's just upsetting to see people say that content creators like BBcode makers are bad writers if they put the same amount of effort into their coding as their posts.

 

[Gowi]

I recently became active on RPN. A lot of the types of roleplays I like seem to be popular here, so I stuck around, joined one I like, but I noticed there was a trend of overcomplicated templates. I mean, they are pretty and those who made them definitely deserve praise for all of the hard work they put into them. I'm sure nobody is discrediting them in any way/shape/form. What I do think should be acknowledged is how difficult it might be for some (note I'm saying some not all so my point isn't misunderstood) to find where they should put their written content. Of course, it's a matter of time to figure out what each code means, but for those who just want to write and post what they have written, it can be a little confusing.

I made a hot take on another site with this exact point, actually!

Functionality and accessibility are more important than aesthetics in character sheets.

It was also controversial, but it served as a good jump off point for a conversation about people who aren't neurotypical or English isn't their primary language. People without that much time. If your sheet requires extensive attention to detail it's defeating the purpose of the RP, which is to write with people in a collaborative environment.

 

[defenderofberk]

I absolutely do not believe the mods and admins were trying to upset or insult content creators, since many staff members create code themselves. I agree that there can be overly-complicated code, but I still appreciate the work put into the code itself. It's just upsetting to see people say that content creators like BBcode makers are bad writers if they put the same amount of effort into their coding as their posts.

Well you have to take into consideration their personal experiences with role playing, for example I'm always dubious of role players that I find out are quite young.

 

[BackSet]

My opinion: I am glad we're returning to just normal bbcode.

 

[natsukashii]

I absolutely do not believe the mods and admins were trying to upset or insult content creators, since many staff members create code themselves. I agree that there can be overly-complicated code, but I still appreciate the work put into the code itself. It's just upsetting to see people say that content creators like BBcode makers are bad writers if they put the same amount of effort into their coding as their posts.

I think it was just more about how it appears they didn't put the same amount of attention into their posts. And I can't speak for everyone else, but my experience so far on RPN has been that there are a few who do favor aesthetics more but for the most part, what you think CC said doesn't seem to line up with what I've seen with my own two eyes.

 

[defenderofberk]

Honestly I feel like CS could benefit with being toned back a bit, as otherwise there's little surprise. Sure it makes sense if they're meant to know each other, but otherwise I think it could be better explored in the role play.

 

[calypso]

Well you have to take into consideration their personal experiences with role playing, for example I'm always dubious of role players that I find out are quite young.

I feel like age is something slightly different than someone who makes BBcode. I wouldn't personally RP with anyone who's a minor because I'm an adult. That makes me uncomfortable because I don't want to put the minor is a place where they feel pressured or anything like that since I'm older than them. That's not me calling younger writers bad, it's just for safety. BBcoding and writing, I feel, aren't really correlated. Saying someone who makes BBcode or spends time on it is a bad writer just seems mean-spirited.

 

[BackSet]

Well you have to take into consideration their personal experiences with role playing, for example I'm always dubious of role players that I find out are quite young.

I want to be offended but you are right quite often, unfortunately.

 

[rae2nerdy]

I feel like age is something slightly different than someone who makes BBcode. I wouldn't personally RP with anyone who's a minor because I'm an adult. That makes me uncomfortable because I don't want to put the minor is a place where they feel pressured or anything like that since I'm older than them. That's not me calling younger writers bad, it's just for safety. BBcoding and writing, I feel, aren't really correlated. Saying someone who makes BBcode or spends time on it is a bad writer just seems mean-spirited.

They didn’t though. Honestly it seems to me you were so quick to defend your friends that you are the one who ended up making that argument yourself.

Like no one is saying they’re bad role players it’s just some people are bad at using BBC code which is a valid criticism.

We can’t just pretend bad BBC coders don’t exist because it might make some of the good BBC coders feel defensive to have a thing they like criticized.

 

[zippy]

Random Hot Take: If your aesthetics/presentation have taken more time than your actual content for your post/RP then you aren't a good role-player.

Like no one is saying they’re bad role players it’s just some people are bad at using BBC code which is a valid criticism.

Not to intrude, but that quite literally is what was initially said. I will admit, the position has yielded slightly since the discussion began and I do agree with the overall point. The focus should be on the word, with aesthetics coming second. And when aesthetics hinder the understanding of the content then there certainly is an issue.

However, I think it should be acknowledged that there was a statement made on the quality of the RPer as a whole, not merely on preferences.

 

[calypso]

They didn’t though. Honestly it seems to me you were so quick to defend your friends that you are the one who ended up making that argument yourself.

Like no one is saying they’re bad role players it’s just some people are bad at using BBC code which is a valid criticism.

We can’t just pretend bad BBC coders don’t exist because it might make some of the good BBC coders feel defensive to have a thing they like criticized.

In their original post, they said that people who spend the same amount of time or more on their BBcode or aesthetics are bad writers.
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If your aesthetics/presentation have taken more time than your actual content for your post/RP then you aren't a good role-player.
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Obviously, BBcodes made at any time will take more time than an actual RP post. Coding is difficult and confusing, and one small mistake can mess it up. So often times, it does tend to take someone more time to personally code something than to write their post. (That being said, people using freebies obviously don't take the same amount of time as they're using pre-made codes.) They directly said they're bad RPers if they take more time to code than write posts, which seems like just a rude statement to me. In their reply, there were also smaller insults thrown in for no good reason. This will be my last post on the topic, but my original point stands.

I feel like people used the announcement to say everything they wanted about BBcode and how much they didn't actually like, seeming to forget that real people are behind the codes. I'm friends with some of them, but surely not all. I just felt the statement made was inappropriate and less of a hot-take, and more of just an insult.

 

[rae2nerdy]

In their original post, they said that people who spend the same amount of time or more on their BBcode or aesthetics are bad writers.
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If your aesthetics/presentation have taken more time than your actual content for your post/RP then you aren't a good role-player.
"
Obviously, BBcodes made at any time will take more time than an actual RP post. Coding is difficult and confusing, and one small mistake can mess it up. So often times, it does tend to take someone more time to personally code something than to write their post. (That being said, people using freebies obviously don't take the same amount of time as they're using pre-made codes.) They directly said they're bad RPers if they take more time to code than write posts, which seems like just a rude statement to me. In their reply, there were also smaller insults thrown in for no good reason. This will be my last post on the topic, but my original point stands.

I feel like people used the announcement to say everything they wanted about BBcode and how much they didn't actually like, seeming to forget that real people are behind the codes. I'm friends with some of them, but surely not all. I just felt the statement made was inappropriate and less of a hot-take, and more of just an insult.

Yes there are people who focus on aesthetic over content = bad BBC coders

They do exist and they are annoying. It wasn’t until fox jumped in that it became about ALL bbc coders are bad because they focus on asthetics.

I dunno maybe because I have experience with what they were talking about. It seemed perfectly clear to me that the OP was about BBC coders not BBC coders in general.

 

[Gowi]

Not to intrude, but that quite literally is what was initially said. I will admit, the position has yielded slightly since the discussion began and I do agree with the overall point. The focus should be on the word, with aesthetics coming second. And when aesthetics hinder the understanding of the content then there certainly is an issue.

However, I think it should be acknowledged that there was a statement made on the quality of the RPer as a whole, not merely on preferences.

Not to argue semantics, but I did not state they were bad writers. I said they were bad role-players.

I went on to elaborate on this point and believe that was quite sufficient, or at least I thought so. My point is if you are taking so much time on coding you are taking away time on focusing on the collaboration and your role-playing viability suffers. I believe it to be a valid conclusion and I'm glad you understand what I was getting at there.

 

[rae2nerdy]

In their original post, they said that people who spend the same amount of time or more on their BBcode or aesthetics are bad writers.
"
If your aesthetics/presentation have taken more time than your actual content for your post/RP then you aren't a good role-player.
"
Obviously, BBcodes made at any time will take more time than an actual RP post. Coding is difficult and confusing, and one small mistake can mess it up. So often times, it does tend to take someone more time to personally code something than to write their post. (That being said, people using freebies obviously don't take the same amount of time as they're using pre-made codes.) They directly said they're bad RPers if they take more time to code than write posts, which seems like just a rude statement to me. In their reply, there were also smaller insults thrown in for no good reason. This will be my last post on the topic, but my original point stands.

I feel like people used the announcement to say everything they wanted about BBcode and how much they didn't actually like, seeming to forget that real people are behind the codes. I'm friends with some of them, but surely not all. I just felt the statement made was inappropriate and less of a hot-take, and more of just an insult.

I see than I was right this is all down to a misunderstanding. Again as someone who has ran into what OP was talking about I did not read it as a literal attack.

I read it as “People who put more effort into making something pretty than contributing to the roleplay”

They weren’t talking about the literal time it takes to code vs. to write a post. They were saying if it is clear you put more effort into making it pretty than contributing to the plot.

Like the example I initially used. The person who made beautiful graphics but never contributed to the actual roleplay.

 

[ValkyrieRose]

So, I personally dislike the idea of roleplays, usually 1x1s, where you play as a Canon character. I see so many of these . I feel as of it lacks a bit of creativity. Canon settings are fine but using characters.... Eh.

More than that though, I see a lot of selfishness, or what I percieve to be as such. People who demannd a Canon character to play with their oc. So I can't be original or creative but you get to put your oc in? It's blatant wish fulfillment, especially when when they don't offer the same in return.

Just my opinion tho.

 

[Gowi]

It can be a fun and challenging exercise as a writer to interpret a canon character. This is not often the case in 1x1's as character's are not kept "in character" at the root at all, though. I will contest that creativity is lacking in writers who like interpretation, myself, though. But yes, I do agree that a lot of 1x1's are blatant wish fulfillment and power fantasies (sometimes even sexual oriented ones!), this is such the case in all of the major RP forum sites with 1x1's.

 

[rae2nerdy]

ValkyrieRose see I play canon characters a lot and I actually enjoy the chance to interpret the character post/pre series. I have a special fondness for "secret relative" storylines where you see what being raised by different sets of people or having different familial connections does for characters. Especially if the character comes from a canonically tragic backstory.

That said I think a lot of the problem with OC x Canon is that it's very surface-level writing for the canon. It's less "I want you to play this character" and more "I want you to play this person I have a crush on, in the exact way I imagine them behaving." So I do agree it's a lack of creativity and interpretation for the character. I just don't think that has anything to do with it being a canon and everything to do with the fact your only playing the character because the other person wants to write with their crush.

Like it would be the same problem if they where just like "I have this idea for my character's crush could you maybe play this character?" Like no. I'm not writing your second character for you. If the character is so important to you than you can play them and I'll make my own character thank you very much.

 

[Crenando]

So, I personally dislike the idea of roleplays, usually 1x1s, where you play as a Canon character. I see so many of these . I feel as of it lacks a bit of creativity. Canon settings are fine but using characters.... Eh.

More than that though, I see a lot of selfishness, or what I percieve to be as such. People who demannd a Canon character to play with their oc. So I can't be original or creative but you get to put your oc in? It's blatant wish fulfillment, especially when when they don't offer the same in return.

Just my opinion tho.

I think, for people that intend to go on to write for a brand or character in the future, it's a good exercise.
I'm not exactly a 1x1 guy though so I don't know what to add in that regard.