Trapping an Exaltation

[chalicier]

So, as far as I can tell, there are two canon references to things that can trap an Exaltation.


1) The Jade Prison (obviously), along with whatever intermediate machinery the Sids used to get the Exaltations out of Lytek's Cabinet.


2) A super-mangled hun/po soul combination (which is why the auraclast exists).


Can anyone think of any other references to things that can trap an Exaltation? Given IIRC it's been stated in print that even being dropped into Oblivion won't destroy an Exaltation and that it'll still escape the pull and head back to the Cabinet.

 

[wordman]

3) A human body. That is, it appears that once the exaltation inhabits a host, it is trapped there until the host dies. This is key to making an abyssal Monstrance work, for example: the exaltation stays trapped in the body for the duration of the corruption.


If you could figure out how to force a shard into a particular "prepared" host, then put that suspended animation, you could effectively trap that shard as long the suspension holds. Like, say you have the cooperation of Lytek, then kill a bunch of solars to release their shards, then have Lytek channel the shards into mindless bodies, then put all the bodies into a big jade container that puts them in suspended animation, then sink that container to the bottom of the ocean....


I also have this unofficial thing in my campaign which can hold a shard, briefly.

 

[chalicier]

Good point, although it kinda ties into 2 - I generally think of the hun and po as enclosing and entrapping the Exaltation, so the purpose of the auraclast is to prevent the Green Sun's predecessor from halting reincarnation by baking the hun and po together like soul-ceramics.


Interesting stuff with the cage btw.

 

[LaFreeze]

4. A Demon - One of the lesser Souls of the Yozi can house an Exalted Soul though it cannot fuse with it the way a mortal can. Once a demon has the soul however only destroying the demon or having it merge with a mortal will cause the Exaltation to move on.

 

[Captain Hesperus]

Good point, although it kinda ties into 2 - I generally think of the hun and po as enclosing and entrapping the Exaltation, so the purpose of the auraclast is to prevent the Green Sun's predecessor from halting reincarnation by baking the hun and po together like soul-ceramics.

Kinda like a Glorious Solar Oreo.


Captain Hesperus

 

[Malekith]

Where is this from?

2) A super-mangled hun/po soul combination (which is why the auraclast exists).

 

[Kyeudo]

Where is this from?

2) A super-mangled hun/po soul combination (which is why the auraclast exists).

Compass of Celestial Directions: Yu-Shan. It is also retarded, seeing as the already existing tool known as a sword works perfectly well at seperating Exaltations from souls. Seriously, Lytek made a tool specifically for killing people by ripping their Exaltations out. Why not just kill them, thus freeing the Exaltation?

 

[Captain Hesperus]

Where is this from?

2) A super-mangled hun/po soul combination (which is why the auraclast exists).

Compass of Celestial Directions: Yu-Shan. It is also retarded, seeing as the already existing tool known as a sword works perfectly well at seperating Exaltations from souls. Seriously, Lytek made a tool specifically for killing people by ripping their Exaltations out. Why not just kill them, thus freeing the Exaltation?

I thought the Auraclast was most used during the Primordial War when the big bads were snatching all your Solars up and chewing them so bad that Hun, Po, Shard and body were all intermingled. The body was (relatively) easy to extract ('pour on the lye'), but separating three badly squished metaphysical entities into distinct parts would be more problematic.


Captain Hesperus

 

[Kyeudo]

Except why then would you need the line about how the Auraclast kills whatever it is used upon? And even if what you suggest is the case, the problem is still easier solved with a Charm application and a sword. If the Exaltation really is tangled up in a soul and can't escape, use a sword and Ghost-Eating Technique to destroy the soul completely. The Exaltation is imperishable and then escapes just fine. No need for some stupid tool to do the exact same thing, especially when there is only one such tool in existance.

 

[Ledaal Kajiri]

Thing is...Lytek is a GOD, not a Solar Exalt. He doesn't have access to Solar charms, even if you assume just using Ghost Eating Technique is an option.

 

[Kyeudo]

Thing is...Lytek is a GOD' date=' not a Solar Exalt. He doesn't have access to Solar charms, even if you assume just using Ghost Eating Technique is an option.[/quote']
Most situations where an Exaltation ends up trapped inside a catatonic Exalt are going to be battlefield situations. The characters on the scene are going to be Exalts, not gods. They ALL have Charms for terminating a spirit.


Second, Lytek is a god and untrustworthy during a war with beings that can instruct gods to do whatever they want and expect it done. The Primordials shouldn't have even allowed him to make such a tool, let alone provide assistance of any kind to the Exalted. He should have been forced to lock the doors to his cabinet or stick tons of memories of pain and sufffering into the Exaltations to demoralize them.

 

[FluffySquirrel]

Might be remembering wrong.. but weren't the tools originally Autochthons? .. plus, I seem to recall that Lytek wasn't the original god of exaltation either.. the first one died after the primordials killed him to see if it would stop them, I believe. So I was under the impression Lytek got the tools near the end of the war, if not after.


.. .. either that or my memory has gotten weird and made up that entire scenario

 

[Kyeudo]

Might be remembering wrong.. but weren't the tools originally Autochthons? .. plus, I seem to recall that Lytek wasn't the original god of exaltation either.. the first one died after the primordials killed him to see if it would stop them, I believe. So I was under the impression Lytek got the tools near the end of the war, if not after.
.. .. either that or my memory has gotten weird and made up that entire scenario

Which then brings us right back to "Why the tool?" Autochthon made the Exaltations. He worked his magic mojo and tada - Exaltations. Why would Autochthon need a tool to rip the soul out of a catatonic Exalt?

 

[WarDragon]

Which then brings us right back to "Why the tool?" Autochthon made the Exaltations. He worked his magic mojo and tada - Exaltations. Why would Autochthon need a tool to rip the soul out of a catatonic Exalt?

Because that's how Autochthon rolls. He never does anything with his bare hands when he can use a tool for it.

 

[Captain Hesperus]

Which then brings us right back to "Why the tool?" Autochthon made the Exaltations. He worked his magic mojo and tada - Exaltations. Why would Autochthon need a tool to rip the soul out of a catatonic Exalt?

Because that's how Autochthon rolls. He never does anything with his bare hands when he can use a tool for it.

Why do I suddenly see Autocthon as Tim 'Tool Guy' Taylor......


Captain Hesperus

 

[Kyeudo]

Because that's how Autochthon rolls. He never does anything with his bare hands when he can use a tool for it.

And now back around to the "A sword is a tool that does what he wants done just fine" argument. Autochthon doesn't seem the type to reinvent the wheel every century for kicks and giggles.

 

[Cryoseraph]

Which then brings us right back to "Why the tool?" Autochthon made the Exaltations. He worked his magic mojo and tada - Exaltations. Why would Autochthon need a tool to rip the soul out of a catatonic Exalt?

Because that's how Autochthon rolls. He never does anything with his bare hands when he can use a tool for it.

Why do I suddenly see Autocthon as Tim 'Tool Guy' Taylor......


Captain Hesperus

I imagine Autocthon to be more like Al, watching the Solars making or fighting some crazy crap, accidentally mangling up their Exaltation/Soul and going 'I don't think so, Tim.'

 

[Yakumo]

4. A Demon - One of the lesser Souls of the Yozi can house an Exalted Soul though it cannot fuse with it the way a mortal can. Once a demon has the soul however only destroying the demon or having it merge with a mortal will cause the Exaltation to move on.

Actually, I'd say 4. Lillunm/the Yozi designed Phycalentry. Even when in a demon, the exaltation is still hooked to Lillim and it pulls back if the demon is destroyed. Even more, if there's not enough slack, the exaltation is pulled back, destroying the demon anyway.


And I was surprised the Monstrances weren't listed separately. They CAN trap the exaltation/convert them in a still living Solar. Like Lillun, they hold the exaltation until the controller decides to send it out.


But the auraclast aside (b/c I haven't read Yu-Shan so can't see who/what made it) it looks like it takes Primordial level capability, which leaves Gaia, Autochthon, the Yozis, the Neverborn, and Solars/Abyssals/GSPs who can rise to the level of thinking of the first four to come up with anything like this.

 

[WarDragon]

Because that's how Autochthon rolls. He never does anything with his bare hands when he can use a tool for it.

And now back around to the "A sword is a tool that does what he wants done just fine" argument. Autochthon doesn't seem the type to reinvent the wheel every century for kicks and giggles.

Uh.


I really have no idea how you get that from the "Mad Scientist" Primordial. It's looking to me like you just have a very different view of Autochthon than the rest of us, so I'm not sure you're going to reach understanding on this.

 

[Kyeudo]

Mad scientist? What? He's more like an absent-minded tinkerer. He just doesn't consider that building a death ray might cause people to want to use it on Creation.


Any mad science these days is carried out by SWLIHN and her Defilers.

 

[Yakumo]

I'll grant tinkerer in some of the things he's done, like the First Man/Clay Man, whatever he's called, and the Jadeborn; but the exaltations were far from mere tinkering.


As far the whole surprised by the use of a deathray thing, no, you're thinking of Discworld's Leonard of Quirm.