GoldenSlime
"Is Satan a Beagle Puppy?!"
You said the face claim looked like a porn star. There was REALLY no nicer way to say you didn't like it?
No one is getting "attached" to a face claim, geez.
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- Thread starter thebigbadwolfy
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No one is getting "attached" to a face claim, geez.
rae2nerdy
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And my point was more in the fact that
A. a writing sample is critiquing someones work in relation to allowing them to enter a roleplay. That is going to lead to hurt feelings no matter how you go about it. And potential wasted time and effort on that persons part.
B. If you are going to read through someone's history anyway you don't actually have to make a formal request. you can do that as soon as they contact you.
C. if you are going to ask for a detailed writing sample why not just be detailed on what you want and let the person determine whether they can meet the expectations? If they overestimate their abilities that's not on you.
Like I don't see how you're really saving anyone time by not asking for a writing sample and just being clear on what you want. And you'll get a much nicer communication out of it if you can just reference back and say
Oh well I said I wanted XYZ and you didn't quiet manage it so I don't think we'll work out.
Versus - I'd like a writing sample *reads writing sample* Sorry your writing isn't what I'm looking for.
The second way just sounds more rude to me.
MechanicalSnake
Like the Moon, part of him was always hidden away.
Also, if they are asking for a writing sample, they should provide one as well! What makes them think I might not meet their expectations and they would meet mine?
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Shuusuke
Junior Member
It's not my intention to start a debate here, but I thought I should reply to the replies. I can never blame a RP creator for wanting to have a minimal standard of quality for their RP. They can be really rude or really polite about it, but that's another story.
As long as the "applicant" has participated in RPs in this forum before, those can be considered samples, which it seems we agree on. But if the applicant's only ever done action RPs and is joining a peaceful one, for example, I understand why the creator would be more inclined to want a sample done in their scenario.
And yes, I went on the assumption that the RP thread would already point to what they want the posts to be like. Just saying you need to submit a sample without any other specifications is sketchy indeed, I didn't even consider that possibility. Asking for a sample alone and nothing else is not going to do any miracles for them. On that same note, the RP creator can (and I'd argue that they should) provide a sample of they want posts to look like in the introduction, whether they also request samples or not.
As long as the "applicant" has participated in RPs in this forum before, those can be considered samples, which it seems we agree on. But if the applicant's only ever done action RPs and is joining a peaceful one, for example, I understand why the creator would be more inclined to want a sample done in their scenario.
And yes, I went on the assumption that the RP thread would already point to what they want the posts to be like. Just saying you need to submit a sample without any other specifications is sketchy indeed, I didn't even consider that possibility. Asking for a sample alone and nothing else is not going to do any miracles for them. On that same note, the RP creator can (and I'd argue that they should) provide a sample of they want posts to look like in the introduction, whether they also request samples or not.
salty_ moustachio
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Actually the face claim looked like a life sized blow up sex doll that wasn't even human.
Porn star is definitely a nicer way to say that. But meh.
rae2nerdy
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And I think I catch the problem. You're talking groups are you not? I'm talking more 1x1s. Which have a much more intimate dynamic and are lot more personal.
Groups a writing sample built into the character application process isn't really a bad thing. The whole point of an application process in the first place is that not everyone is going to make the cut. It hurts when your cut but it's not as much of a personal thing. It's look I have X slots available, I have to take the best people for the roleplay and unfortunately your not it. Stings a little but whatever you move on.
In 1x1s it's a lot more of a one on one interaction so it's a lot harder to find a nice way of letting someone know you aren't interested when it comes to writing samples. Because for one thing not everyone asks for writing samples so people aren't necessarily going to have them on hand. Especially since it's a lot more likely their roleplays will be in pms, off site, etc. Versus in groups where all of those are in threads that you can view.
So then your much more likely to get someone who has to make a post or copy and paste a post just to show you what they can do. It's a lot more work on their end and for you to turn around and say - um yeah you're not quiet what I'm looking for - is a lot more of a sting.
Not saying that asking for samples is necessarily wrong. you do you. I'm just saying that rejecting people is going to hurt whatever way you go about it.
Shuusuke
Junior Member
Yeah, I guess I have the tendency to assume that an RP is a group one unless otherwise stated. 1x1s are not my thing, so I don't really know how that works. Guess that caused some misunderstanding there, sorry about that. And agreed on the hurting part, though it's not always possible to make everyone involved happy.
Coco Adel
The Abandoned Maiden
That guy or girl who wants to prove they're better at fighting than everyone else so they constantly show off their powers and make them say and do thinks to try and provoke a fight and then if this person isn't as good as they thought they were then dedicate their time to trying to give their character powers and abilities just to counter your character and then never leave you alone, basically making their character harass and stalk yours so they can fight 24\7
GoldenSlime
"Is Satan a Beagle Puppy?!"
1x2 RPs. These are like 1x1 RPs except with three people. Usually it's like one that I was in where you have a girl self-insert mary sue awful character with barely any personality and two guys are fighting over her, you know, like Twilight but worse. This is the dumbest shittiest RP ever because 1. The girl is the main character. She will ALWAYS BE the main character. In 1x1 RPs, both players' characters are main characters, they both get equal screen time and nothing can really happen without both of them being involved, but in 1x2 RPs there is always one main character and it's always this girl who everyone wants to get with for literally no reason. This means that the two other players' characters are SUPPORTING CHARACTERS. Does it get anymore narcissistic than this? 2. It always relies heavily on stereotypes. The girl is the "plain, average-looking one" who isn't popular, isn't good-looking ("isn't good-looking" as in, has brown hair but still looks like frickin Kristen Stewart), and is bullied and teased (YET EVERYONE WANTS TO GET WITH HER WTF). The boys are usually split up into: asshole rich (man)bitch; the one who literally has no redeeming qualities but is rich, and the edgelord "we can't be together because reasons" guy; the one who is REALLY in love of with the girl but still can't be with her cuz...you know....cuz reasons. Neither of these characters are very fun to play and the rich (man)bitch always gets pushed to the side and made out to be an enemy. If you even give him ANY redeeming qualities or try to make him a well-rounded character, NOPE YOU'RE CHANGING THE PLOT TOO MUCH. 3. This is the biggest one, someone ALWAYS comes out of this RP feeling shitty. Cuz, look, the girl is always gonna end up with the edgy guy, not the rich (man)bitch. The thing about 1x1 romance RPs is everyone is happy because both people are part of the main plot and both characters end up with romance. With these 1x2 RPs, there's always gonna be the one character that's left there to rot. It's always gonna happen.
I defy you to try and find a 1x2 RP that isn't like this. Anyone who wants one of these RPs is, by default, a bad writer (and narcissist) to me.
I defy you to try and find a 1x2 RP that isn't like this. Anyone who wants one of these RPs is, by default, a bad writer (and narcissist) to me.
And that character is almost always this
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Coco Adel
The Abandoned Maiden
Oh right I almost forogt that this character also usually has to be casually OP and they tell you they aren't that strong just to emphasize how much stronger they are than everyone else who's characters were originally made at a decently reasonable power level. This particular character also starts something else I like to call the OP effect where everyone gets annoyed with this character so they take their originally reasonably strong character and make them OP as hell just to beat him and make them shut up but then no one can give their character proper growth because they have to stay OP to keep this person in their place.
Also a follow up to what I said before is the person happens to beat you in a fight...they will never shut up about it...ever
God, godmodding is fucking awful. whenever I see am overpowered character in a roleplay (except 1x1, they don't count), one of my characters usually casually walks up to them and tells them "Oi mate, no one likes braggers like you. Fuck off with your garbage powers and go annoy someone else."
Coco Adel
The Abandoned Maiden
I'm usually the person who just tries to avoid them if all possible but this person usually tries to make themselves the center of attention in everyone's story arc. Another thing I really can't stand is when they try to make their character related to yours in some kind of way and not necessarily by blood, like if your character is a race you made up with a special kind of power say like wolf people with earth manipulation, they'll tell you their clan once taught a group of people descended from wolves how to manipulate the very earth beneath them and I'm like "No, you're character has nothing to do with mine whatsoever, make your own damn story" or they'll somehow know about your characters situation, say they suffer from some kind of curse illness or any affliction whatsoever and they'll magically know what's wrong with you and a way to fix it even though no one should even know your history, but magically somehow they do, their family once ran into a person like you and instead of killing them like most anyone else would they just subdued the person and figured out how to help them, because somehow they knew they were a person and not a monster.
...there are lots of irritating things that come from this type of character the more I think about it the more I remember all the annoying things that come from them.
rae2nerdy
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Out of curiosity why do you think 1x1s don’t count. I mean hijacking a roleplay for your own ends thru overpowered shenanigans is honestly an even worse deal in 1x1s. At least in groups there are other people you can interact with. In 1x1 your stuck with the attention hogging prima donna
If it's ok for your partner in 1x1's, it doesn't really count, at least for me. You should mind I am currently in only one 1x1, and both of us at least one overpowered character, but which also possess a big weakness (for instance, my character takes a lot of damage per hit he gets, and doesn't regenerate as much health as others.)
If your partner doesn't like it, then don't do it.
rae2nerdy
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Actually I’ll disagree, 1x1x1 are not only used for love triangle drama. Sometimes you just have more than one person interested in an idea or you have a story that requires more than two protagonists.
I will say that they do tend to crash and burn due to difficulties getting everyone on the same page though. It’s just not usually as deliberate as Annabella Steele Swan hijacking the roleplay to gush about two totally hawt guys wanting in her pants.
It’s usually more of a scheduling thing. Inevitably two of the players will be on at the same time and the third person will be left out of the posting or plotting.
Or alternatively two people put in the brunt of the work in fleshing out the plot and setting and the third one just shows up to post then disappears.
I mean I agree that love triangle Annabella Steele Swan b.s. is a toxic dumpster fire that kills any roleplay that has it. I just think it’s a separate issue than 1x1x1 which tend to have their own issues that lead to failure
rae2nerdy
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EDIT: For clarity.
I think the problem is you aren't realizing that 1x1s and groups are the same when it comes to certain aspects. They both require a collaboration between players and character to suceed.
The problem with ridiculously over powered characters isn't that they are over powered. It's that they hijack a narrative. It becomes less of a collaborative story and more all about one person's super awesome amazing avatar.
That is a problem in groups and 1x1s because it interfers with both the narrative and other people's ability to enjoy their own characters.
Roleplays ( both 1x1 and group ) are designed to allow for multiple characters who are equally important to the narrative. As someone else mentioned above there is not supposed to me a main character in a roleplay. So no one character should be any more important / focused on than any other.
The problem with the type of people being mentioned is that they have to be the center of attention and make the roleplay all about how much better they are than everyone else.
That is a problem regardless of whether your in a 1x1 or a group.
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Now is you are instead just making a character who is very powerful that is a seperate issue. Again you can do that in both groups and 1x1s as long as they fit the narrative.
Using Superman as an example. He's overpowered as hell. But if you put him in the world with the Flash, Wonder Woman, Aquaman, etc. who are each every bit as overpowered in their own way than he doesn't stand out. He just becomes one of many powerful characters that the story revolves around.
He's not the only one. He isn't making the roleplay all about how much more powerful he is than all the puny humans around him.
That is totally fine and can be extremely fun.
And yes this can work in both 1x1s and groups. I used to do almost exclusively superhero groups and you'd definately have some of them where everyone was an over powered superman knockoff. You'd also have others where powers where limited to one or two. It just depends on the setting.
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Coco Adel
The Abandoned Maiden
I understand what you're saying but it highly depends on the type of person you're dealing with, like I'm doing a 1x1 RP on another site with a friend we both have our share of OP characters but the RP isn't taken over by OP shenanigans in fact our OP characters that we do have rarely actually fight unless something real upsets them or it's needed. While I can also name times I did 1x1 where my partner completely tried to overshadow mine and make the entire RP about them to the point where it just seemed like my character was just there to watch theirs be awesome.
The problems I've hat with 1x1x1 is basically that it does become 1x2 or better known as (1)2 where there are three people but only two of them actually RP together and leave the third person out of a alot of stuff so where they don't feel included and eventually give up and it becomes 1x1 or maybe they do try to include them in everything from the beginning but they aren't putting enough of a effort to be apart of the story.
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rae2nerdy
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For my overpowered issue see above post. For the 1x1x1 that's pretty much exactly what I just said? I said that the reason 1x1x1 don't work is because the people involved don't line up their schedules or their expectations. I just also included the bit where the romance / love triangle stuff is it's own seperate horrorshow that shouldn't be attempted either.
Coco Adel
The Abandoned Maiden
I never said you didn't I was just saying that was my personal issue with 1x1x1 and I already read your post about OP characters and while I usually don't like OP characters I was saying that I do find them to be more tolerable or even fun when it's 1x1 with the right person of course.
rae2nerdy
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Fair enough for me I don’t distinguish between 1x1 and groups on the issue. If your character fits the narrative than they can have as many powers as you want. Plus since Fatalis seemed to be assuming there was a difference I was just clarifying that when it comes to powered characters they are treated the same in groups and 1x1
So if your using your character to dick over your partners that’s not going to win you any friends in groups OR 1x1s.
But if the powers fit the narrative and everyone agrees they’re allowed they can be fun in 1x1 AND Groups
So if your using your character to dick over your partners that’s not going to win you any friends in groups OR 1x1s.
But if the powers fit the narrative and everyone agrees they’re allowed they can be fun in 1x1 AND Groups
KannaChan
New Member
Not sure if this has been said before, but when it comes to doubling, I dislike it when people write several paragraphs for their side and then only a couple of lines for the other character. 
I try to keep things fair and would like the same thing in return!
I'm also not really a fan of self-loathing, self-deprecating OCs? Some of them are pulled off really well and are fun to interact with every once on a while (because I acknowledge it's realistic for characters to hate themselves at times), but a character that's constantly feeling down in every single post and won't cheer up no matter what's done for them gets tiring real fast, especially if they're interacting with a difficult non-romantic character. I know certain situations can result in characters feeling down, but please, don't let that define them and have them eventually feel something else other than "you must hate me, you don't need me, no one likes me, I bet you would feel better with me gone!" ; v ;
Oh, and if someone makes a character that gives off super "Mary Sue" vibes, I'll ditch so hard. Like, if someone says... "My character is the princess and loved by all and everyone wants to capture her and get her on their side because she's also really powerful but she doesn't like to use her power unless it's to protect her friends, so her friends would do anything for her to get her back." I just go... "o u o Lol... *flees so fast*"
I try to keep things fair and would like the same thing in return!I'm also not really a fan of self-loathing, self-deprecating OCs? Some of them are pulled off really well and are fun to interact with every once on a while (because I acknowledge it's realistic for characters to hate themselves at times), but a character that's constantly feeling down in every single post and won't cheer up no matter what's done for them gets tiring real fast, especially if they're interacting with a difficult non-romantic character. I know certain situations can result in characters feeling down, but please, don't let that define them and have them eventually feel something else other than "you must hate me, you don't need me, no one likes me, I bet you would feel better with me gone!" ; v ;
Oh, and if someone makes a character that gives off super "Mary Sue" vibes, I'll ditch so hard. Like, if someone says... "My character is the princess and loved by all and everyone wants to capture her and get her on their side because she's also really powerful but she doesn't like to use her power unless it's to protect her friends, so her friends would do anything for her to get her back." I just go... "o u o Lol... *flees so fast*"
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NOT dropping, but making it more likely to me to (un-)intentionally ghost it.
I hate it when I have to write it multiple times that I am either gone for a certain amount of time or my posts won't be that frequent. For instance, finals week, posts won't be frequent.
I hate it when I then get @ and asked why I don't post, or someone @'s my character even though he is pretty much secluded and alone. Even though I have told them OOC that I don't have much time currently. If there is one thing I hate, it is to repeat myself.
I hate it when I have to write it multiple times that I am either gone for a certain amount of time or my posts won't be that frequent. For instance, finals week, posts won't be frequent.
I hate it when I then get @ and asked why I don't post, or someone @'s my character even though he is pretty much secluded and alone. Even though I have told them OOC that I don't have much time currently. If there is one thing I hate, it is to repeat myself.
Onikmey
The wise fool
As someone with a similar issue, the best way I've found to deal with it is to set expectations ahead of time (which it sounds like you're doing) and to let my group know the day I expect to be able to post. It lets them know that you aren't ignoring them, and it gives you a solid amount of time to write.
to clarify: I don't mean "I can get a post out on thursdays." It's more of a look at the upcoming week and saying "I will probably have a post done by this upcoming saturday night."
rae2nerdy
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Another thing that might help. I made a table of my weekly work schedule and I pm it to my 1x1 partners. I guess you could try posting this in the OOC OR pming it to whomever your character is actually interacting with. I find sometimes visuals help people who maybe don't so much read the words you write.
