Alteras
The Sleepy Prisoner
possibly, get ready to accomadate for 9800 underwater mines destroying both sides
The World of Tomorrow- OOC
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possibly, get ready to accomadate for 9800 underwater mines destroying both sides
Space_Kaiser
Formerly known as Loyal Guardian
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Lordvader59
Three Thousand Club
@Kazami42Most of the seeds were evacuated to the mainland before and during the invasion, as the Union held consistant aerial superiority. Some seeds weren't evacuated, but a lot were taken off.
Lordvader59
Three Thousand Club
Also Now I've just aken a look at the map I didn't know you had the part of Russia that borders Finland.
@Agent141How far along is the project to increase the UNion's army to 500,000 troops? Ive been at it since I joined.
@Agent141How far along is the project to increase the UNion's army to 500,000 troops? Ive been at it since I joined.
Alteras
The Sleepy Prisoner
Just know they are everywhere in south east Asia.
Space_Kaiser
Formerly known as Loyal Guardian
Hey folks! It's ya boi Loyal here to give ya a analysis on the Eclipsian-Rockian War! Note i'm only doing this for fun and i'm just comparing statistics and make a unbiased outcome (or at least try). I should also say that the outcome of the war is still very far away and who knows what will happen. So here we go!
So this war is probably going to decide the fate of either nation and solve many questions the world has. How truly powerful is the Eclipse? (after all now every opponent they've faced hasn't stood much of a chance, well except for Poland but if they actually tried i think they would have won...... maybe idk.) Are the Rockians enough of a force to stop the Eclipsian war machine? Is the KotR truly a great power? And Is the Eclipse a superpower or just really lucky? Now the outcome will decide who makes who. If the Rockies win, they will single handily topple a superpower and put them in prime position to replace the Eclipse, not to mention the social and political effects. If the Eclipse wins then they will solidify themselves as the rightful holder of the title superpower ans shatter Rockies morale. Basically its Tech vs. Resolve, Power vs. Determination, and Ideal vs. Ideal. In my opinion this is probably going to be the war that defines the RP, and if not then it is most certainly up there.
The Rockies is a fiefdom kingdom (i think) that has its governance in the form of viceroys to govern territory away from the homeland. They are economically sound, decent stability, and decently strong. They are most certainly not weak, and they are a very capable force, as they have been able to control their with colonies proficiency until recently. Like mentioned, they have been able to keep their populous happy until the declarations by Chile and Australasia for independence. Not gonna get into that, but it is something to look into. They have a sizable navy and control a good portion of the Pacific. They have the ability to raise levies pretty much whenever they want to, but they do have a limit. Currently their armed forces register at about 6 million (I'm pretty sure since they don't have a nation overview), although most of which are very green and have pretty much no combat experience. However the ones that do have combat experience are a well hardened force and know what they are doing. Their air force is also one that can do devastating damage if allowed to.
The Eclipse is a Federation comprising of now 11 Republics. Their main governance is through representatives in the Eclipsian Council that decide on policies, foreign affairs, etc. They are economically sound, have decent stability, and very strong. Like the Rockies they are most certainly strong as their armed forces are veterans of multiple wars, inflicting many casualties while receiving very few. However the country has recently gotten out of a large scale Civil War that nearly devastated them. However they were able to easily win after late victories. They have a very sizable navy and control swaths of land and a large coastline. They are also one of the most, if not the most, technologically advanced nation in the world. Currently their armed forces number at about 7.5 Million, in which all of its members have seen combat, war hardened, and experienced fighters. Their air force is also one to reckoned with as they are able precisely strike targets with ease and their fighters are considered the fastest in the world, well one of them.
So, that a very basic look at each nation, let's see how that might affect the war by comparing the factors. Just by looking at it broadly and just graze it over, it seems that the Eclipse should easily win. They have superior tech, more experienced men, a larger armed forces, and more mechanized forces (including navy and air force). To most all those factors is what they need to win, however that is not the case. They are fighting an enemy they haven't faced before, a enemy who actually is capable at fighting. Now the two have been at each others throats before, during the Second Canadian War. In that war there was no ground engagements, but it was mostly a campaign set for air dominance. If the war had remained like it did, and the Eclipse hadn't left, the Eclipse and its allies would have been able to invade a weakened Quebec and land a decisive blow onto the KotR. Of course that didn't happen so we'll never know *Shrugs and sticks tongue out while doing so*. However this war is different as it may very well be mostly a naval war, in which case they are almost equal. The only places where invasion will most likely happen will be the colonies of the Rockies, but even then that will be very difficult. Now with all that said and done what will be the outcome? Well firstly lets look at the initial stages of the war (ya know, the only stage that's happened). In the Battle of the Ports, the Eclipsian forces were able to drive off the Rockies navy from their blockade ports, and that wasn't even a naval battle. Not only that but Eclipsian forces have already invaded Chile and minor Island colonies, although the former of which may be difficult. Even so the initial plays made by the Eclipse shows how the war could turn out. So if we take in all the factors and the initial movements of both participants, we can make a hypothetical outcome. With all of this i do believe that the Eclipsian Federation would win, but at a pretty good cost. First off they may very well lose a sizable portion of their navy and air force and have to fight a war of attrition with the Rockies, given their stances. That attrition could cost of them of their goals and put a dent in their manpower, which could force the Eclipse to end the war possibly without fulfilling all objectives. So in short the Eclipse wins but at a heavy and semi-demoralizing cost. Now note this is just taking into account if the Rockies don't attempt a massive counter-attack to take their land back, just wait it out, and not have their mainland get directly invaded.
Well that's it boiz and gurlz (i don't know why i'm doing that, help). Now you guys might call it bias cause of reasons, but i really did look at it from an analytical perspective. I should also note that the outcome was reached without the interference of other nations and if it was just left between those two countries. I normally don't do this thin, mainly cause it takes a while to type and there isn't a demand, but i thought this might be fun to try it. So yeah with that said.......... i don't know, I've never really gotten this far. Just go do what we monkeys do. *Shrugs*
So this war is probably going to decide the fate of either nation and solve many questions the world has. How truly powerful is the Eclipse? (after all now every opponent they've faced hasn't stood much of a chance, well except for Poland but if they actually tried i think they would have won...... maybe idk.) Are the Rockians enough of a force to stop the Eclipsian war machine? Is the KotR truly a great power? And Is the Eclipse a superpower or just really lucky? Now the outcome will decide who makes who. If the Rockies win, they will single handily topple a superpower and put them in prime position to replace the Eclipse, not to mention the social and political effects. If the Eclipse wins then they will solidify themselves as the rightful holder of the title superpower ans shatter Rockies morale. Basically its Tech vs. Resolve, Power vs. Determination, and Ideal vs. Ideal. In my opinion this is probably going to be the war that defines the RP, and if not then it is most certainly up there.
The Rockies is a fiefdom kingdom (i think) that has its governance in the form of viceroys to govern territory away from the homeland. They are economically sound, decent stability, and decently strong. They are most certainly not weak, and they are a very capable force, as they have been able to control their with colonies proficiency until recently. Like mentioned, they have been able to keep their populous happy until the declarations by Chile and Australasia for independence. Not gonna get into that, but it is something to look into. They have a sizable navy and control a good portion of the Pacific. They have the ability to raise levies pretty much whenever they want to, but they do have a limit. Currently their armed forces register at about 6 million (I'm pretty sure since they don't have a nation overview), although most of which are very green and have pretty much no combat experience. However the ones that do have combat experience are a well hardened force and know what they are doing. Their air force is also one that can do devastating damage if allowed to.
The Eclipse is a Federation comprising of now 11 Republics. Their main governance is through representatives in the Eclipsian Council that decide on policies, foreign affairs, etc. They are economically sound, have decent stability, and very strong. Like the Rockies they are most certainly strong as their armed forces are veterans of multiple wars, inflicting many casualties while receiving very few. However the country has recently gotten out of a large scale Civil War that nearly devastated them. However they were able to easily win after late victories. They have a very sizable navy and control swaths of land and a large coastline. They are also one of the most, if not the most, technologically advanced nation in the world. Currently their armed forces number at about 7.5 Million, in which all of its members have seen combat, war hardened, and experienced fighters. Their air force is also one to reckoned with as they are able precisely strike targets with ease and their fighters are considered the fastest in the world, well one of them.
So, that a very basic look at each nation, let's see how that might affect the war by comparing the factors. Just by looking at it broadly and just graze it over, it seems that the Eclipse should easily win. They have superior tech, more experienced men, a larger armed forces, and more mechanized forces (including navy and air force). To most all those factors is what they need to win, however that is not the case. They are fighting an enemy they haven't faced before, a enemy who actually is capable at fighting. Now the two have been at each others throats before, during the Second Canadian War. In that war there was no ground engagements, but it was mostly a campaign set for air dominance. If the war had remained like it did, and the Eclipse hadn't left, the Eclipse and its allies would have been able to invade a weakened Quebec and land a decisive blow onto the KotR. Of course that didn't happen so we'll never know *Shrugs and sticks tongue out while doing so*. However this war is different as it may very well be mostly a naval war, in which case they are almost equal. The only places where invasion will most likely happen will be the colonies of the Rockies, but even then that will be very difficult. Now with all that said and done what will be the outcome? Well firstly lets look at the initial stages of the war (ya know, the only stage that's happened). In the Battle of the Ports, the Eclipsian forces were able to drive off the Rockies navy from their blockade ports, and that wasn't even a naval battle. Not only that but Eclipsian forces have already invaded Chile and minor Island colonies, although the former of which may be difficult. Even so the initial plays made by the Eclipse shows how the war could turn out. So if we take in all the factors and the initial movements of both participants, we can make a hypothetical outcome. With all of this i do believe that the Eclipsian Federation would win, but at a pretty good cost. First off they may very well lose a sizable portion of their navy and air force and have to fight a war of attrition with the Rockies, given their stances. That attrition could cost of them of their goals and put a dent in their manpower, which could force the Eclipse to end the war possibly without fulfilling all objectives. So in short the Eclipse wins but at a heavy and semi-demoralizing cost. Now note this is just taking into account if the Rockies don't attempt a massive counter-attack to take their land back, just wait it out, and not have their mainland get directly invaded.
Well that's it boiz and gurlz (i don't know why i'm doing that, help). Now you guys might call it bias cause of reasons, but i really did look at it from an analytical perspective. I should also note that the outcome was reached without the interference of other nations and if it was just left between those two countries. I normally don't do this thin, mainly cause it takes a while to type and there isn't a demand, but i thought this might be fun to try it. So yeah with that said.......... i don't know, I've never really gotten this far. Just go do what we monkeys do. *Shrugs*
Space_Kaiser
Formerly known as Loyal Guardian
I mean i get why......... BUT WHY?! Plus aren't we in the same alliance? And didn't you give me a location of where they are? If not i redact that previous statement. Also i sent a message to you as well, y u no respond 2 me my friend?
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Alteras
The Sleepy Prisoner
Err, no, our agreement was "Your ships enter my seas, you listen to my orders and you don't hit my mines, that are constantly moving."
Space_Kaiser
Formerly known as Loyal Guardian
Oh okay, then i redact. Welp..... time to activate mine detectors boys! Also i sent a message to you as well, y u no respond 2 me my friend?
Alteras
The Sleepy Prisoner
Currently my admirals are contemplating how to proceed. Also good luck, those mines actively disrupt sonar.
Space_Kaiser
Formerly known as Loyal Guardian
Space_Kaiser
Formerly known as Loyal Guardian
Also i hope you know if they become independent, and if i am on their side and if join to, then you can still keep the mining rights (slightly revised of course)
Fishman Lord
ULTIMATE AI GOD
This is actually a good analysis, but I would like to add one thing.
That would be terrain. The terrain of both nations is very varied (heh), so let's look at them. We'll start with the Eclipse Federation. Now, the Eclipse Federation is huge territory-wise, which would make trying to take it all over practically impossible. However, this could also be a minor curse, as the sheer amount of land would force the Eclipsians to spread their forces thin to cover it all. Due to this massive amount of territory, it would be ridiculous to try and analyze every single point, so do forgive me if I paint in broad strokes here. The homeland of the Eclipse Federation is in Iran/persia and Central Asia, which is a mix of desert, mountains, and grassland. This isn't the hardest to assault, but it certainly isn't the easiest. Eclipsm itself is in the very center of all this, meaning a long, painful march for any would-be attacker. We also have india, which is also very mixed with grassland, tropical areas, and all sorts of other stuff. India is a very mixed bag that could be partially, but not fully, taken over. Another potential point of interest is Eclipsian China, which features such welcoming land features such as the Himalayas and the Tarim Basin. One could probably take coastal areas with some effort, but going any further would mean an agonizing march that would decimate any army through attrition. Finally, we have Argentina. Argentina's terrain won't help it out much here, as it is mostly fertile grassland, which is not a very difficult barrier to cross. Patagonia would be slightly harder, but could still be done with relative ease if done at the right time. The Falklands would not be so easy, as it would mean a naval assault on a full-on military base.
Now let's look at the Rockies. I think we should start with that namesake, the Rocky Mountains. The Canadian Rockies are very tall, very big, and of course,very to penetrate. Trying to fight through these mountains would require a very precise, knowledgeable, and organized force familiar with the terrain. Plus, if this force were to come from the west, they would have to fight through the Coastal Range as well, and it is almost never good to try and naval assault a very rugged area. In the north, it's always cool to deadly freezing, and pretty lacking in resources a wandering soldier could use. There are mountains here too, as well as flatlands and thick forest. Not a good place for an attack, however it's also pretty hard to sustain any significant amount of defenders. In the east, it's cool, but not too much so. No major mountains to cross, but what there is a butt-ton of is lakes, rivers and swamps. Lesson, kids: don't try to swim across a river or swamp in full battle gear unless you are truly desperate or heavily outnumber and are more experienced than the defender. Up next: Chile! Chile is a varied area, but I'll split it up into three main areas: North, Middle, South. Don't try to assault the north. Period. It's a deadly mix of the driest desert in the world and the Andes. You could take the coast of the middle, but then you'd meet our friend the Andes once again. The south is cold, and does have mountains, but probably the easiest to take of the three parts. Finally, we have Australia. Australia's coast is doable, but unless you are actually, physically, mentally insane, avoid trying to take an army across the desert at any cost. Alice Springs and other strategic points in the desert could only be taken by landing troops with planes or helicopters, and it would still be hell. New Zealand is more friendly, but we still have our old friend Giant Mountains slowing everything down.
Albion
yeah, you could say i know how to run a nation
Im willing to offer use of the suez canal 4 a trade deal.
Space_Kaiser
Formerly known as Loyal Guardian
That is also a good analysis, very well done. However you should note that the expanse of the Eclipse is large enough to encompass training for almost all, if not then every, terrain on earth. But you did put up very good points, But i did purposely ignore the terrain factor because, like i said, i mainly focused this on as a naval war with few invasions. Now if we do account for the terrain, then it does change things slightly but not by much. Like mentioned previously, the Eclipse troops are trained on almost every terrain in the world with some exceptions. At most the Rockies will have homecourt advantage, but that won't be enough to stop the war machine of the Eclipse. In the end, although delayed, it will still be a Eclipse victory.
gimme gimme gimme! I get the whole Sinai right?
Alteras
The Sleepy Prisoner
Be careful about naval battles in this region of the world. Lightning tends to strike randomly because of high humidity. Typhoons and storms are consistent.
Albion
yeah, you could say i know how to run a nation
You can have complete access of the suez whenever 4 a trade deal, but i still gotta collect my shillings offa it.
Space_Kaiser
Formerly known as Loyal Guardian
then i good
Albion
yeah, you could say i know how to run a nation
Wait what was the hamui gdp? Shouldnt his have been added to mine?
Alteras
The Sleepy Prisoner
supposedly
Albion
yeah, you could say i know how to run a nation
Too bad we dont know what his gdp was.
Alteras
The Sleepy Prisoner
832.171 billion American Dollars
Clockwork_Magic
*Gears turning*
Was he even following the rules of the GDP mechanic, I could see his nation overview and it was way higher than it probably should have been.
Alteras
The Sleepy Prisoner
there's a good chance he didn't divide by ten.
Clockwork_Magic
*Gears turning*
Wasn't it divide by 5? Yea, it is.