Suggestion The Dark Side of RPN

[Elephantom]

I made a Nazi satire once. It got deleted too, for obvious reasons.

 

[Fable]

Mx.Trinity

Back on the topic of your suggestion of basically a "trigger warning" "mature content" etc, I do not believe the software is able to do that. You can always add a "disclaimer" to the top of posts you feel need this, such as adding in exactly what you've typed at the very top:

"some of the material contained here is for mature audiences only, and may be offensive to some."

Could it still be overlooked? Yes. Could the content still be reported? Yes. Adding in a "block" system won't keep curious people out or prevent them from reporting posts.

 

[Mx.Trinity]

I made a Nazi satire once. It got deleted too, for obvious reasons.

That's a bit different from what we're talking about Ele >_> that goes into Ethics and morality lmao Elephantom

 

[PanOtterPus]

I don't see how that's possible as it's a thread about roleplay pet peeves specifically on a roleplay site.
I feel like if you're going to be offended by something that has nothing to do with you, you should just not involve yourself. It's the internet, there are blocking functions and the ability to choose what content you get to look at.
What's done is done, but that's not the point. I'm tired of censoring the way I talk because someone whose oversensitive may get offended. This is supposed to be a site for all roleplayers not just children. Flexibility is the issue here, and I feel I've offered a reasonable compromise.

It is possible given the fact they were discussing past experiences they've had off site.
I mean I agree that no-one was forced to look at the thread and that yes there are certain censorships that can be subjective, but it doesn't change the fact that your post was deleted.
Even I found it humorous, but people will be people.

 

[Mx.Trinity]

Mx.Trinity

Back on the topic of your suggestion of basically a "trigger warning" "mature content" etc, I do not believe the software is able to do that. You can always add a "disclaimer" to the top of posts you feel need this, such as adding in exactly what you've typed at the very top:



Could it still be overlooked? Yes. Could the content still be reported? Yes. Adding in a "block" system won't keep curious people out or prevent them from reporting posts.

It wouldn't be a block system at all it would just alert people that they're headed into a part of the site that may contain upsetting conversations, such as rants, ridiculous posts, or other topics. But it could still adhere to the sites rules by not containing morally questionable or unethical topics, or topics that target specific members for the sole purpose of discriminating against them.

It could work alot like the "try sending your message after x amount of seconds" notification that pops up. Although I'm unsure how that would work, someone would press the button on the homepage for the section and the notification would pop up like when u hit the submit button for the "seconds till post" warning. Fable

 

[Mx.Trinity]

It is possible given the fact they were discussing past experiences they've had off site.
I mean I agree that no-one was forced to look at the thread and that yes there are certain censorships that can be subjective, but it doesn't change the fact that your post was deleted.
Even I found it humorous, but people will be people.

Well i appreciate your sentiment nonetheless. I just feel things should be flexible in the future. With the given rule suggestions of course. It would follow most the site rules but would allow flexibility of comedic, rant, or other posts that can elicit sore feelings.

 

[Role Model]

Believe me, I'm sick of the safe-space SJW's and the "offended by everything" left-wingers, but there's a reason you have PMs. Unless you are targeting someone and using PMs, posting sexual content, or threatening another members safety, the PMs are a place where your content will not get deleted by staff, pretty much regardless of the content.

 

[Fable]

It wouldn't be a block system at all it would just alert people that they're headed into a part of the site that may contain upsetting conversations, such as rants, ridiculous posts, or other topics. But it could still adhere to the sites rules by not containing morally questionable or unethical topics, or topics that target specific members for the sole purpose of discriminating against them.

Putting a disclaimer on your posts (such as at the top) would be just as effective. Adding in a "click to confirm that you understand X is in this area" is pretty much the same as assuming people read the ToS. Also I have a prediction such as pop-up confirmation of that type would actually prompt quite a few complaints. X3

Tags could be used the same way "humor" "satire" "mature" "trigger warning" "why did heihei cross the ocean?"

 

[Mx.Trinity]

Believe me, I'm sick of the safe-space SJW's and the "offended by everything" left-wingers, but there's a reason you have PMs. Unless you are targeting someone and using PMs, posting sexual content, or threatening another members safety, the PMs are a place where your content will not get deleted by staff, pretty much regardless of the content.

I think the fade to black still applies to PM's due to legal issues, not sure about the others though

 

[Mx.Trinity]

Putting a disclaimer on your posts (such as at the top) would be just as effective. Adding in a "click to confirm that you understand X is in this area" is pretty much the same as assuming people read the ToS. Also I have a prediction such as pop-up confirmation of that type would actually prompt quite a few complaints. X3

Tags could be used the same way "humor" "satire" "mature" "trigger warning" "why did heihei cross the ocean?"

Well that's why the notification would only pop up in that particular section of the site, without effecting any other topic buttons. But again I'm no web dev, so idk how that would work. But will adding those tags you're talking about prevent staff from removing the post for being humor, satire, mature, trigger warning content? Or is it just an unnecessary thing to do because staff will never agree that the thread I made will ever be appropriate on the site? Because even if I add that people will still be able to report it as you said.

I feel like if my suggestions were to be implemented it would also need to be added to the rules section under the positive environment rule... something along the lines of "Although we promote a positive environment, understand there are areas of the site that roleplayers are allowed to post XYZ content, please do not report these threads unless they are not following XYZ rules." Because as it stands I can go to the personal discussion page and report any rants I see because it's technically breaking the positive environment rule. Fable but I feel there should be a section for satirical or nonsensical topics, not just rants.

 

[Huxalot]

Wouldn't it at least be possible to implement some subsection for this kind of content under, say, General Discussion, with some prefixes to warn people about the content? At least a "trigger warning" prefix, "unpopular opinion" prefix and so on?

 

[Kaerri]

We are not going to change the rules just to allow people to feel they can be as offensive as they like and then blame the ones who get offended for being "oversensitive."

We have, in the past, tried subsections for divisive subjects such as politics and current events. You'll notice those are not there now. That's because it never, ever ends well. People thought that the creation of the subsections meant they didn't need to remain civil and acted accordingly, leading to a bunch of deleted posts, warnings, people complaining about warnings (which led to more, because if you've read the rules you'll know we don't want you to discuss warnings publicly), and finally the sections being shut down because we just didn't want to deal with it anymore.

I don't see us adding a section such as is described in the original post because past history of the site and personal knowledge of people in general suggests it, too, will not end well.

 

[Cold Ramen Noodles]

We are not going to change the rules just to allow people to feel they can be as offensive as they like and then blame the ones who get offended for being "oversensitive."

We have, in the past, tried subsections for divisive subjects such as politics and current events. You'll notice those are not there now. That's because it never, ever ends well. People thought that the creation of the subsections meant they didn't need to remain civil and acted accordingly, leading to a bunch of deleted posts, warnings, people complaining about warnings (which led to more, because if you've read the rules you'll know we don't want you to discuss warnings publicly), and finally the sections being shut down because we just didn't want to deal with it anymore.

I don't see us adding a section such as is described in the original post because past history of the site and personal knowledge of people in general suggests it, too, will not end well.

That current events section was terrible. I get what you mean.

 

[Fable]

Well that's why the notification would only pop up in that particular section of the site, without effecting any other topic buttons. But again I'm no web dev, so idk how that would work. But will adding those tags you're talking about prevent staff from removing the post for being humor, satire, mature, trigger warning content? Or is it just an unnecessary thing to do because staff will never agree that the thread I made will ever be appropriate on the site? Because even if I add that people will still be able to report it as you said.

I feel like if my suggestions were to be implemented it would also need to be added to the rules section under the positive environment rule... something along the lines of "Although we promote a positive environment, understand there are areas of the site that roleplayers are allowed to post XYZ content, please do not report these threads unless they are not following XYZ rules." Because as it stands I can go to the personal discussion page and report any rants I see because it's technically breaking the positive environment rule. Fable but I feel there should be a section for satirical or nonsensical topics, not just rants.

@Kaerri replied so just gonna reply to one part X3

Adding in those tags doesn't mean it won't be reviewed if someone reports it or that it won't be taken down if a joke is viewed as going "too far" by consensus of the staff. I've witnessed on various internet communities where people will try to guise personal attacks as "humor" and "satire" to try and avoid getting into trouble.

Wouldn't it at least be possible to implement some subsection for this kind of content under, say, General Discussion, with some prefixes to warn people about the content? At least a "trigger warning" prefix, "unpopular opinion" prefix and so on?

There is a humor prefix under personal discussion. But titles and tags can also help give a general idea of the content. There have been threads titled "Unpopular Opinions" before.

 

[Mx.Trinity]

We are not going to change the rules just to allow people to feel they can be as offensive as they like and then blame the ones who get offended for being "oversensitive."

We have, in the past, tried subsections for divisive subjects such as politics and current events. You'll notice those are not there now. That's because it never, ever ends well. People thought that the creation of the subsections meant they didn't need to remain civil and acted accordingly, leading to a bunch of deleted posts, warnings, people complaining about warnings (which led to more, because if you've read the rules you'll know we don't want you to discuss warnings publicly), and finally the sections being shut down because we just didn't want to deal with it anymore.

I don't see us adding a section such as is described in the original post because past history of the site and personal knowledge of people in general suggests it, too, will not end well.

How is it any different from the personal discussion's section for rant purposes?

You don't personally attack anyone
You don't talk about immoral or unethical topics
You don't post adult content
etc.

Having a thread for politics will always cause issues, that's not a good comparison for what I'm suggesting. I know you don't believe me but it wasn't a personal attack on anyone. I think there's enough of a community desire demonstrated in this thread to develop the idea further. Having a subsection named "Comedy" or "Spam" I think would be good enough, it would follow the same rules as the rants section.

My thread was meant to be a jab at the general stigma behind some of the following cultures on the internet: Memes, over the top shonen jump type characters, over the top cute characters, over the top pretty boys, literacy crusaders, and lastly... writing a long elaborate post to reply with when suddenly you realize you've accidentally deleted it all.

If we can't talk about these things in a comedic sense how are we supposed to have a proper discussion about them in threads like "roleplay pet peeves"? I was under the impression this wasn't just a site for children (completely censored and has nothing to do with the real world or it's people). I figured since there's a bit of flexibility for rants there would naturally be flexibility for comedic content. But had I known it's not allowed a comment like the following would to be expected:

"I'm sorry almighty staff for violating your rules, please forgive an unintelligent peasant like myself for contaminating your pristine site with my filthy opinions"

(IT'S A JOKE PLZ DON'T SMITE ME)

 

[Kaerri]

Again, if someone feels there's posts in the Personal section (or anywhere else, for that matter) that are rule-breaking, they are free to report them and we'll take a look.

And again, there is a Humor prefix that you are welcome to use for comedy and such.

This site is not PG-13, nor does it try to be. The age requirement and no-ERP rules are in place due to federal laws. Aside from that, we are simply trying to make it welcoming for the majority of the users that come here.

 

[Mx.Trinity]

Again, if someone feels there's posts in the Personal section (or anywhere else, for that matter) that are rule-breaking, they are free to report them and we'll take a look.

And again, there is a Humor prefix that you are welcome to use for comedy and such.

This site is not PG-13, nor does it try to be. The age requirement and no-ERP rules are in place due to federal laws. Aside from that, we are simply trying to make it welcoming for the majority of the users that come here.

Okay and I really do respect that but me and the other people in this thread are trying to bring up a common issue on the site that makes US feel unwelcome. I personally feel like I can't honestly have a discussion with someone else without getting in trouble from previous experiences. I think that's due in part to how staff handles things. I feel like the staff that have been here for a long time have began to lose their sense of humor and deal with all issues with an iron clad hand.

But on the other side I feel like users can also be "oversensitive". And what I mean by that is instantly being thrown into a wild fit by a single word they don't like to the point where they report the user instead of saying "Hey I thought that was rude and I'd appreciate it if you didn't talk to me like that" instead of running straight to staff like you're supposed to protect them from their own conclusions. Not everything that's said in the way it's said is meant to be offensive. I could say something simply trying to discuss (no name calling, no sarcasm, no passive aggressiveness) and from my stand point that's completely okay but from someone else's they could see it as mean, and I'd have no idea until someone came to me with the issue, and I don't feel like it's staff's job to speak up for someone else. I feel reports should only be used for serious cases of abuse and not just every little personal problem people have.

Of course the satirical thread that I made is different from that but it does tie in, no one said anything about it being offensive, in-fact everyone that WAS involved was just having a good laugh, at no one's personal expense. Because we all understood the joke. Anyways... I think I got a bit to wrapped up in how I've been feeling lately... I just really love the staff here and it's frustrating that I keep getting in trouble for things that could've been easily resolved between me and the other person if they would've just spoke up, and it's a major issue. It keeps happening and it's caused me anxiety to interact with ANYONE outside my group of friends on RPN. So... I think it would be beneficial to figure out how we can resolve this and come up with a reasonable compromise Kaerri

 

[The Dark Wizard]

Hey,

I'm sorry that you aren't feeling included and welcomed here at RpNation.com. As other staff members have pointed out, we aren't a pg-13 site and we do allow adult topics, minus erotic stuff and harassing others for the reasons you know/can imagine.

• We will not be making a section or system that allows you to designate a post for "overly sensitive" people.
• If you need a good laugh, try another site or a comedy based RP.
• If we removed all the sections tomorrow except for the roleplays, a majority of the site would not care, the content you desire is not important for you being welcomed here. We are primarily a roleplay site.
• All staff actions are done in consensus and it usually takes a few days for any one to come to an agreement, so situations like this are reviewed many times before an action is taken. This does not mean we are perfect, since you kept bringing up the roleplay peeves thread. If you feel that thread needs to go, report it and we will take a look at it like everything else.
• There seems to be a misconception running in this thread that a report means something auto removal or warning. We get hundreds of reports per week that we reject.
• I think there are more points somewhere in this thread but I'm tired.

Short story:

We aren't here to go on witch hunts, I personally and I know this from most of the other staff as well, we did not know who you were. We don't make a habit of going out of our way to remember people for the purposes of "witch hunting" them, the site has tens of thousands of people who visit on a daily basis. We also aren't going out of way to kill the "fun". There are tons of shitposters around and even our Lobby on Discord is a bit difficult at times and an example on how people are silly/shitposters without really breaking the rules. The staff gave you your first warning, move on, stop making "RIP RpN" statues, and making attention-seeking threads because the slow turning wheel that is the staff caught up with you. Further discussions of moderator actions taken against you will result in further warnings.

Simply move on and continue enjoying the site for what it is, Roleplaying. If you really want to appeal anything or have a discussion, feel free to submit a thread in admin contact and one of the admins who has NOT replied in this thread will handle your case like any other.

This thread is now closed.

-Wizard