Orikanyo
Do you hear it? The screams of Gacha salt?
Oh! i like the Ronze idea.
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Pretzel Heart
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If you'll be my sugar daddy and pay for having to rebook flights then I'm all yours lmao
Once again swagging the names. I like both Ronze/Ronse.
Btw I'll add all this to the lore once I get a hot minute
Also some other things that have popped up.
Because of inflation and the dollar is no longer backed by gold or silver or whatever sketchy things they are doing in Fort Worth I think it would require more math than my brain can handle while a child screams in the background and my flight is about to take off.
Price of bread...Jean Val Jean flash backs.....well I don't think any country yet has mentioned a truly desperate poverty situation (probably in pockets but not like widespread) and we already have rebellion fever as it is. So maybe conditions aren't /terrible/.
And shit were leaving well I'll have to think about it later for now. But feel free to contribute those who are mathier or more economically inclined than I lol.
Also need a name for "Tin" lmao
ParadoxalPaladin
Wait, what?
Okay, so, I did some math for the economy of Roserasia, I hope this helps 
. Roserasia seems to be a sort of pseudo-Medieval system in which there are Kings who grant land to lower vassals who, instead of owning land which they dole out to peasants that they then tax, instead just tax goings on in their lands between private groups (pretty much like modern governments).
To begin with, let’s give an arbitrary value to a farm (choosing a farm will make sense later), because we have to start somewhere: 100 Roseras. Considering that the average value of a farm per acre in the US in 2015 was $3,020, and the average medieval farm from what I can find seemed to be around 30 acres, at least in England, we can then say an average farm altogether with all its buildings and land would be worth around $90,000. However, the value of a farm was probably far lower in Medieval times, because of lower quality buildings, lower land cost, less productivity per unit of land, etc., so I’m going to make the extremely ballpark change to the value of a farm down to around $40,000. The average cost of a loaf of bread in 2014 was $2.37, which I’m going to round to $2, leaving bread as .005% the price of a farm. Since 100 Roseras (a farm’s value) = 225,000 tin, the price of a loaf of bread would then be ~11 tin. (To relate tin to dollars here, that would make one dollar about 5 tin in value.)
Now, on to why I chose to work with the price of a farm to begin with. From what I can find, taxes of lords on peasants in Medieval times (with Sweden being the example I found) could vary greatly, with annual tax of an average peasant being anywhere from 3% to 15% the value of a farm at the time. To average that out, we could say that Roserasia would therefore have a ~9% tax rate as a general figure (although this would of course vary from place to place depending upon management). Working off of that, to make the economy simple, we could say that lords levy a flat tax rate of 9% of the value of a farm on each property holder, or 9 Roseras, per year.
To then get a general idea of the wealth of lords in each country, assuming all land taxes go directly to the king, households are on average 5 people, and each household has some amount of land, based upon the population listings for each country we can say leaders of countries make these amounts of money from land taxes per year:
Euthalia Kingdom: 7,200,000 Roseras
United States of Rameria: 5,400,000 Roseras
Galleria Countship: 1,260,000 Roseras
Greedo Kingdom: N/A - population unlisted
Marine Queendom: 1,800,000 Roseras
Dorimun Dukedom: 900,000 Roseras
Sea Republic: N/A - population unlisted
Nezzie Kingdom: 2,700,000 Roseras
Lepumir Kingdom: 1,710,000 Roseras
. Roserasia seems to be a sort of pseudo-Medieval system in which there are Kings who grant land to lower vassals who, instead of owning land which they dole out to peasants that they then tax, instead just tax goings on in their lands between private groups (pretty much like modern governments). To begin with, let’s give an arbitrary value to a farm (choosing a farm will make sense later), because we have to start somewhere: 100 Roseras. Considering that the average value of a farm per acre in the US in 2015 was $3,020, and the average medieval farm from what I can find seemed to be around 30 acres, at least in England, we can then say an average farm altogether with all its buildings and land would be worth around $90,000. However, the value of a farm was probably far lower in Medieval times, because of lower quality buildings, lower land cost, less productivity per unit of land, etc., so I’m going to make the extremely ballpark change to the value of a farm down to around $40,000. The average cost of a loaf of bread in 2014 was $2.37, which I’m going to round to $2, leaving bread as .005% the price of a farm. Since 100 Roseras (a farm’s value) = 225,000 tin, the price of a loaf of bread would then be ~11 tin. (To relate tin to dollars here, that would make one dollar about 5 tin in value.)
Now, on to why I chose to work with the price of a farm to begin with. From what I can find, taxes of lords on peasants in Medieval times (with Sweden being the example I found) could vary greatly, with annual tax of an average peasant being anywhere from 3% to 15% the value of a farm at the time. To average that out, we could say that Roserasia would therefore have a ~9% tax rate as a general figure (although this would of course vary from place to place depending upon management). Working off of that, to make the economy simple, we could say that lords levy a flat tax rate of 9% of the value of a farm on each property holder, or 9 Roseras, per year.
To then get a general idea of the wealth of lords in each country, assuming all land taxes go directly to the king, households are on average 5 people, and each household has some amount of land, based upon the population listings for each country we can say leaders of countries make these amounts of money from land taxes per year:
Euthalia Kingdom: 7,200,000 Roseras
United States of Rameria: 5,400,000 Roseras
Galleria Countship: 1,260,000 Roseras
Greedo Kingdom: N/A - population unlisted
Marine Queendom: 1,800,000 Roseras
Dorimun Dukedom: 900,000 Roseras
Sea Republic: N/A - population unlisted
Nezzie Kingdom: 2,700,000 Roseras
Lepumir Kingdom: 1,710,000 Roseras
Pretzel Heart
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ParadoxalPaladin
This is god damn beautiful
I also thought, if the gold is Rosera, maybe the tin could be like...Sia ..... >,>''' my great contribution
Rapror Augustine
Senior Member
Kinda funny when you realize the one country that cut ties with the rest of the continent is the fouth richest country. Out of the seven whose wrath can currently be calculated that is.
Orikanyo
Do you hear it? The screams of Gacha salt?
Ah poop, knew I forgot to do soemthing today.
Pretzel Heart
Afterimage of Broad Daylight
I think the numbers refer to the wealth of the lords / royalty. So the country might be even wealthier.
Poooost
Orikanyo
Do you hear it? The screams of Gacha salt?
but it's 1 am~!I think the numbers refer to the wealth of the lords / royalty. So the country might be even wealthier.
Poooost
plus, mother had to go into the optimologist, a fun drive home with her beign half blind trying to get directions.
Pretzel Heart
Afterimage of Broad Daylight
Orikanyo
Do you hear it? The screams of Gacha salt?
oh shes fine, the appointment went rather well.
just had to get drops in that dilate her eyes and make the pupils right big.
ParadoxalPaladin
Wait, what?
Yeah, these figures are based purely upon land taxes, so any tariffs, government industries, other taxes, etc. are not included, which means that countries like Euthalia which have a lot of trade would likely be even more wealthy than others such as Dorimun which would have very little income from tariffs. These numbers do give a good general idea, though.
Olissa
One Thousand Club
$1=5,625 tin (or was it Sia now? Sias?)
So by that calculation
A $500 piece of jewelry would over there be 2812,50 Sia which equals to 93,75 Ronze (Ronse? Ronzes?) converted to 6,25 Seras, and finally 1,25 Roseras.
Did I make a miscalculation somewhere?
You know, I realized that if they only use whole coins and not things like quarters (as we have it in our world) it becomes one hell of a confusing calculation...
Meaning if something is 1,25 rosera it would actually be noted as 1 Rosera, 1 Sera, 3 Ronze, 22,5 Sias. But seeing as this is supposed to be a calculation without anything behind the , we'll just round that number up 'cause we can.
That's one lengthy price tag! XD
With that in mind anyone else in favor to have a quarter coinage or to assume everyone just rounded out the numbers to whole coins?
So by that calculation
A $500 piece of jewelry would over there be 2812,50 Sia which equals to 93,75 Ronze (Ronse? Ronzes?) converted to 6,25 Seras, and finally 1,25 Roseras.
Did I make a miscalculation somewhere?
You know, I realized that if they only use whole coins and not things like quarters (as we have it in our world) it becomes one hell of a confusing calculation...
Meaning if something is 1,25 rosera it would actually be noted as 1 Rosera, 1 Sera, 3 Ronze, 22,5 Sias. But seeing as this is supposed to be a calculation without anything behind the , we'll just round that number up 'cause we can.
That's one lengthy price tag! XD
With that in mind anyone else in favor to have a quarter coinage or to assume everyone just rounded out the numbers to whole coins?
Pretzel Heart
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Olissa
One Thousand Club
Actually, Paladin stated that it was approximately 11 Sia for a bread, and thus approximately 5 Sia representing a dollar. I just went with the exact numbers within the calculation because otherwise the calculation that $40000 = 100 Roseras is incorrect.
If you go with $1=5 Sia then $40000=200000 Sia
200000 Sia is roughly 88.88 Roseras
Making a farm not 100 Roseras worth, but 88(and then some)
If you go with $1=5 Sia then $40000=200000 Sia
200000 Sia is roughly 88.88 Roseras
Making a farm not 100 Roseras worth, but 88(and then some)
Pretzel Heart
Afterimage of Broad Daylight
Ah, so it's a miscalculation?
I can't think about math right now lmao
In a few days
Maybe
I can't think about math right now lmao
In a few days
Maybe
Olissa
One Thousand Club
Well, not so much a miscalculation. In the end it simply depends on whether or not you round the numbers down, and then keep on adding up.
Basically it is like...
If you go to a store and buy 10 things that cost $0.51, but then round it out to $0.50 each because it's easier to calculate, then once you reach the cash register instead of paying $5 you actually have to pay $5.10
So rounding it down works to make things easy, but it isn't the full number.
It's basically like forgetting that on top of the store's listed price there's taxes that are (almost) never included till you reach the cashier and they tell you the full price XD
Then again in the end it isn't about exact numbers anyway.
But that does still leave the question, I assume we will not have to deal with half a coin or quarter coins, etc.?
Basically it is like...
If you go to a store and buy 10 things that cost $0.51, but then round it out to $0.50 each because it's easier to calculate, then once you reach the cash register instead of paying $5 you actually have to pay $5.10
So rounding it down works to make things easy, but it isn't the full number.
It's basically like forgetting that on top of the store's listed price there's taxes that are (almost) never included till you reach the cashier and they tell you the full price XD
Then again in the end it isn't about exact numbers anyway.
But that does still leave the question, I assume we will not have to deal with half a coin or quarter coins, etc.?
Pretzel Heart
Afterimage of Broad Daylight
Yeah I think 4 currencies is enough to keep track of.
If 5 Tin is 1 Dollar then each tin is about twenty cents so I don't think we need much lower than that.
If 5 Tin is 1 Dollar then each tin is about twenty cents so I don't think we need much lower than that.
Unwavering Knight
Fool's Errant
Git ter postan already, ya gitz! This party isn't going to start itself.
Orikanyo
Do you hear it? The screams of Gacha salt?
Oi I'm gettin to it! So quioet down or all krump yer 'ead in!
Unwavering Knight
Fool's Errant
Orikanyo
Do you hear it? The screams of Gacha salt?
brings a tear to my eye errytime.
theplasticdemon
fallen angel
i can't imagine poor little celso waking up at 6:35am...
i decided to get my lazy self ready at noon before taking another nap and waking up at 3pm.
rosa is going to arrive late assuming i have loafed enough for the collab post between
Pretzel Heart
and i isn't finished on time.
Orikanyo
Do you hear it? The screams of Gacha salt?
gotta get up early when yer hustlin.i can't imagine poor little celso waking up at 6:35am...
i decided to get my lazy self ready at noon before taking another nap and waking up at 3pm.
rosa is going to arrive late assuming i have loafed enough for the collab post between
ParadoxalPaladin
Wait, what?
Orikanyo
This is completely off topic, but I must know, what is your profile picture? Is it bagels or massive pancakes or some other dish I have yet to encounter? This is of great import.
Orikanyo
Do you hear it? The screams of Gacha salt?
thgey are beautiful aren't they?