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Sizniche said:
Okay, so there're mounted units. WHY WOULD ANYONE BUY A WEAPON WITH SUCH SPECIALIZED USE IF IT CANT FUNCTION AS A WEAPON IN A STANDARD COMBAT ENGAGEMENT!? (Excuse my anger, but this is the point I've actually been trying to make) Even if there are mounted units, they're still uncommon. With the way you put it, a halberd would basically be the mark of a PKer and nothing else, since the people most likely to be mounted are players.
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Cuz people like specialization? They like difference? Idk, there are a few reasons. Just cuz A does more damage does mean it will always win over B.

That Battleaxe vs halberd in a fight for example. While Battleaxe has more damage by 5 points. The user also has to fend off the spear end. Mean if the Battleaxe user can get near the Halberd it can't do anything while the halberd has the chance of doing pierce damage if the Battleaxe messes up.
 
RaynaFon said:
Besides the fact that it has the range of a spear and can do downward swing attacks like an axe. I still feel that it shouldn't do the same amount of damage cuz it does weigh less than a battleaxe. 25?
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Alright, how about an example:
I play Dark Souls, and my favorite weapon right now is the Zweihander. It's a massive sword that basically instakills basic enemies and is one of the few weapons strong enough to stagger a Black Knight. It has good range, but it's as slow as molasses, and you can only do two consecutive swings at a time. The swings are slow enough as is. It has great range, but that advantage is largely irrelevant; it's useful, but not a selling point.

I would have no reason to use the Zweihander if it did as much damage, say, the Battle Axe. I would JUST USE the Battle Axe.
 
Sizniche said:
Alright, how about an example:
I play Dark Souls, and my favorite weapon right now is the Zweihander. It's a massive sword that basically instakills basic enemies and is one of the few weapons strong enough to stagger a Black Knight. It has good range, but it's as slow as molasses, and you can only do two consecutive swings at a time. The swings are slow enough as is. It has great range, but that advantage is largely irrelevant; it's useful, but not a selling point.

I would have no reason to use the Zweihander if it did as much damage, say, the Battle Axe. I would JUST USE the Battle Axe.
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at that point, isn't it a personal preference? People that like a sword, would still use a Zweihander. Irl, a halberds power is not on par with a Battleaxe. It's a specialization weapon. It simply doesn't have the weight to create the same force as an axe
 
RaynaFon said:
at that point, isn't it a personal preference? People that like a sword, would still use a Zweihander. Irl, a halberds power is not on par with a Battleaxe. It's a specialization weapon. It simply doesn't have the weight to create the same force as an axe
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It's preference when weapons are BALANCED. In Dark Souls, weapons are BALANCED. If the Zweihander didn't have the advantages (not extremely specific advatages, mind you, just advantages), nobody would use it; they'd just use the ten dozen other swords in the game
 
RaynaFon said:
Cuz people like specialization? They like difference? Idk, there are a few reasons. Just cuz A does more damage does mean it will always win over B.

That Battleaxe vs halberd in a fight for example. While Battleaxe has more damage by 5 points. The user also has to fend off the spear end. Mean if the Battleaxe user can get near the Halberd it can't do anything while the halberd has the chance of doing pierce damage if the Battleaxe messes up.
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Also, what if I just GRABBED the long shaft of the Halberd and disarmed them? Not so much benefit to all that range, huh?
 
Sizniche said:
It's preference when weapons are BALANCED. In Dark Souls, weapons are BALANCED. If the Zweihander didn't have the advantages (not extremely specific advatages, mind you, just advantages), nobody would use it; they'd just use the ten dozen other swords in the game
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You're messing the point tho. a 5 point difference wouldn't matter. The fact that it has a greater reach than a battleaxe does balance it out
 
RaynaFon said:
You're messing the point tho. a 5 point difference wouldn't matter. The fact that it has a greater reach than a battleaxe does balance it out
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And the extremely clumsy nature of the Halberd makes it UNBALANCED.
 
Sizniche said:
Also, what if I just GRABBED the long shaft of the Halberd and disarmed them? Not so much benefit to all that range, huh?
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well one, that out be outstandingly dumb. As now you can't use a battle axe, and even if you didn't have one, say a sword, it would still be easy to thrust the halberd forward and impale you at that point...
 
RaynaFon said:
a battle axe is still clumsy as well, so that is a mute point
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We're going in circles. I've already said that the Halberd is considerably clumsier than a battle axe, because its length and distribution of weight makes it awkward to wield. You can disarm someone with a Halberd easier BECAUSE of its length, and range isn't all that great anyways, since a few extra feet are nothing more than just being convenient. They are slow to swing because of their awkward design, and you get a no win situation in terms of shields, because if you use a shield you can't use a Halberd nearly as effectively, and if you DONT wield a shield you're screwed if someone gets up close to you.
 
I can't believe I'm actually getting worked up over this

where the fuck are my anxiety meds
 
Sizniche said:
We're going in circles. I've already said that the Halberd is considerably clumsier than a battle axe, because its length and distribution of weight makes it awkward to wield. You can disarm someone with a Halberd easier BECAUSE of its length, and range isn't all that great anyways, since a few extra feet are nothing more than just being convenient. They are slow to swing because of their awkward design, and you get a no win situation in terms of shields, because if you use a shield you can't use a Halberd nearly as effectively, and if you DONT wield a shield you're screwed if someone gets up close to you.
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You can't use a shield with a battleaxe either, so I don't understand how that helps your point when you're talking about halberd vs battleaxe.

Secondly, how many people are going to think to grab the tip of it? And if they do, how many would know what to do next without getting stabbed? If you grab a spear, the first reaction is to thrust or shake them off. You're putting ALOT of if's into this.
 
RaynaFon said:
You can't use a shield with a battleaxe either, so I don't understand how that helps your point when you're talking about halberd vs battleaxe.

Secondly, how many people are going to think to grab the tip of it? And if they do, how many would know what to do next without getting stabbed? If you grab a spear, the first reaction is to thrust or shake them off. You're putting ALOT of if's into this.
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You don't grab a Halberd by the tip, you get in close and grab it by the shaft.

this is getting oddly sexual

Anyway, on that subject, how many people are going to think to use a Halberd for its actual purpose?

But, meh, I'll concede this argument to you, since I'm not even in this roleplay anymore, so it doesn't effect me, and somehow I'm getting upset irl over Halberds in a fictional video game
 
Sizniche said:
You don't grab a Halberd by the tip, you get in close and grab it by the shaft.

this is getting oddly sexual

Anyway, on that subject, how many people are going to think to use a Halberd for its actual purpose?

But, meh, I'll concede this argument to you, since I'm not even in this roleplay anymore, so it doesn't effect me, and somehow I'm getting upset irl over Halberds in a fictional video game
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Yeah, we're not getting anywhere with this. I'll just agree to disagree with you. All I have to say is not everything and everyone is logical.
 
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