Summoned Demons

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Cynis Filthist

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Its been a while since I cracked my Exalted books, hell the last time I did wasnt long after the Players guide came out, so the knowledge I once had over the setting and system isnt what it used to be, I am currently re-reading and devouring all the information again before my upcoming game I'm starting in April, but I wanted to ask if there is anything currently printed (perhaps in S&S, which I have never owned, or simply somethin I once knew but forgot.) that details the duration of a demon summoning, if the Summoner is killed.


is their any (canon) way a demon could survive for hundreds of years, free from any will save its own?
 
Canon doesn't specify that demons return to Malfeas after a set time if their summoner/controller is killed, so I would assume that they stay until they're removed through kinetic poisoning or other methods.
 
Look at the demons in Time of Tumult, they have been bound to the region even after the death of Bax. They can't return home and have prospered and spread from their bound region. Also, I have declared, in my games at least, that demons may roam free to do as they wish if the sorceror is killed. It even says in the Games of Divinity that Third Circle demons can leave Malfeas at their whim.
 
Thanks guys, you may get some more of these simple questions from me, until ive had the full chance to completely re-hash over my books. I mainly asked because I remember something about a year and a day, is that maybe how long they stay under control?
 
Thanks guys' date=' you may get some more of these simple questions from me, until ive had the full chance to completely re-hash over my books. I mainly asked because I remember something about a year and a day, is that maybe how long they stay under control?[/quote']
Yes, that's the length of time the demon will serve the sorcerer. That or one task, which can be of infinite duration. P. 218 of the BWB. :-)
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I'd say the demon would remain in Creation for however long it would have if the summoner hadn't died. I would finish it's job, then poof back to Malfeas.


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They stay until their task is finished. Period. Plenty of examples of demons guarding old Solar tombs until their previous masters return for their stuff (last one I saw was in Exalted comic #02).

It even says in the Games of Divinity that Third Circle demons can leave Malfeas at their whim.
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No it doesn't. There's some pretty specific rules about when third circle demons can come into Creation, and they don't include "come and go as you like". What the hell would be the point of imprisoning them then?


Still though, given the rules that *are* in place, you'd think they would have created more of a ruckus in Creation through the ages... I'm not exactly sure how to handle this actually, so if anyone has any enlightening thoughts, they're more than welcome.
 
It doesn't matter if the sorceror dies or not, the demon leaves when it supposed to.  If the demon is summoned by a thaumaturge, or if a sorceror fails the control and subsequent emergency banishing roll, the demon stays.  First Circle Demons cannot go directly back to Malfeas, Second Circle Demons can and Third Circle Demons can bring back pets or snacks.  Certain Second and Third Circle Demons can leave Malfeas if certain conditions are met.  Ligier, for instance, can come into Creation if someone has a project worthy of his talents, even without a summoning.  There is a Second Circle Demon who can come into Creation during earthquakes or other circumstances when stone is tortured or destroyed.  In general, Second and Third Circle Demons have a specific circumstance that allows them to leave Malfeas.  Now the frightening thing is that Demons can practice Infernal Sorcery, so they can theoritically counter any attempt to banish them.
 
It doesn't matter if the sorceror dies or not' date=' the demon leaves when it supposed to.  If the demon is summoned by a thaumaturge, or if a sorceror fails the control and subsequent emergency banishing roll, the demon stays.  First Circle Demons cannot go directly back to Malfeas, Second Circle Demons can and Third Circle Demons can bring back pets or snacks.  Certain Second and Third Circle Demons can leave Malfeas if certain conditions are met.  Ligier, for instance, can come into Creation if someone has a project worthy of his talents, even without a summoning.  There is a Second Circle Demon who can come into Creation during earthquakes or other circumstances when stone is tortured or destroyed.  In general, Second and Third Circle Demons have a specific circumstance that allows them to leave Malfeas.  Now the frightening thing is that Demons can practice Infernal Sorcery, so they can theoritically counter any attempt to banish them.[/quote']
Holy crap...you're right! I forgot they can practice Infernal class sorcery... :shock: Rapture...
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I don't recall the exact rules. I'd assume that First Circle demons are limited to the First Circle of Infernal Sorcery, Second Circle demons to the Second Circle, etc?


-S
 
That's what I mean, but still, one of my characters is dreaming of some grand-scale construction works...and having Ligier or someone of his children walk in offering their services...mmm, tastes like fear rolling off my players.
 
I believe so, but they were not too specific about it in Blood and Salt.  I would say that it would be rare for a First Circle Demon to know First Circle Infernal Sorcery, uncommon for a Second Circle Demon to know Second Circle Infernal Sorcery and common for a Third Circle Demon to know Third Circle Infernal Sorcery.  A Fetich, like Ligier, probably knows every spell imaginable and, with the vast amount of Essence that a fetish probably can tap, he can probably throw spells day and night without breaking a sweat.  A Fetich, however, has more powerful abilities than simple Sorcery.  Ligier's sight alone can melt all metal objects within his vision.  He can smelt entire mountain ranges.  Ligier is very powerful, and I expect the other twenty-two or so fetishes in Malfeas to be equally powerful.  I wonder what the Ebon Dragon's Fetich is like.
 
Ebon's fetich I'd liken to the Lasombra Antediluvian. Seriously, cast the entire world, or at least a region into shadow and bring small bits of the Abyss into the region as puppets to fight for it. Just for an example. I mean one of his souls is the horn player, can't remember her name really. I don't feel like getting my book, but she can command the animals of the night, is revered by the Dune people and such as a goddess. She also is one of the greatest teachers of the arts of love in all of Malfeas.
 
If there's a project worthy of Ligier, can he just tip up, say "oooh, nice artifact" and then just do whatever the hell he likes?  Or does he have to help build it?  At least ostensibly...
 
No he will actively help if it's an artifact or a grand Manse, or even a gigantic public works that catches his eye. He will WANT to do it. He wants his mark left no the world. He wants to bring the world into age of brass and basalt like Malfeas. He wants to shine his light on the world. So yes, he would happily help a grand project, then...who knows?
 
Not really, he can stay for some time, but I'm sure a Third Circle demon wandering about, even if outside of Fate, would surely set off some alarm bells in Heaven sooner or later. He'd encounter something that would alert Heaven.
 
Now the frightening thing is that Demons can practice Infernal Sorcery' date=' so they can theoritically counter any attempt to banish them.[/quote']
I'd think that the oaths binding the Yozis and their minions would prevent them from being able to use sorcery to counter summoning.
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wordman said:
Now the frightening thing is that Demons can practice Infernal Sorcery' date=' so they can theoritically counter any attempt to banish them.[/quote']
I'd think that the oaths binding the Yozis and their minions would prevent them from being able to use sorcery to counter summoning.
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I second this, in my opinion summoning and banishing demons is more technically sorcery than anything. For the gameworld it is an exalt who calls upon the ageold pacts the primodials swore on their very names.
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Actually, I think in the main book it mentions higher circle demons using sorcery, so it's not invalid. Besides, you are contesting the will of something greater than yourself at the higher Circles. At least if you're cocky enough as some (most) Exalts are. Example: Mnemon's tutors in Versino, summoning a 2nd Circle demon.
 
This raises a question..


Why don't the demons go apeshit on Creation by now? They can apparently stay there, and if one like Ligier can stay there after he's completed the building.. why dont he just gather some rogue demons and start slaughtering creation? Burning mountainranges down with his gaze and such..


To me, it seems pretty silly, and they wouldnt be at all as pissed about their "imprisonment" if that's all it takes to be fully into the world again..
 
Yes, third circle demons can be summoned by Solars, and it is dangerous. That's why all the sorcerors in the Old Realm were invited to a big feast during Calibration, to stop them doing it. This is one of the dangers of the Solar's return.
 
Actually' date=' I think in the main book it mentions higher circle demons using sorcery, so it's not invalid. Besides, you are contesting the will of something greater than yourself at the higher Circles. At least if you're cocky enough as some (most) Exalts are. Example: Mnemon's tutors in Versino, summoning a 2nd Circle demon.[/quote']
No, the main book does not mention any demons using sorcery as far as I can see it and actually there is not a single demon in canon who practices sorcery.


And challenging something greater than yourself? That might be true for a terrestrial summoning a second circle demon but a first age solar quite likely took part in slaying primodials, successfully, I think it is not too far off that a first age solar or an experienced second age solar could beat a third circle demon.
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I'm not talking about the First Age Solars, they are irrelevant to this. I'm talking modern day, some dopey five essence Solar who got his/her hands on a new toy spell nad wants to try it, and yes they will. And most liekly they will most of the time win the contest. But I can guarantee you, that demon will wipe the fucking floor with them when his time is up if the sorceror isn't clever about the task and getting the hell out of Dodge when it's time comes around.
 
I have to agree with CW.  Third Circle Demons are at least an order more powerful than Second Circle Demons and Second Circle Demons are damn hard to beat, if the ST is intelligent.  While First Circle Demons can sometimes match the potential of Second Circle Demons, no Second Circle Demon can come close to a Third Circle Demon.  As Second circle Demons have Essence rating between five and eight, this means that Third Circle Demons all have an Essence 9+ and probably even get higher than that.  Exalted, Gods and Elementals are limited to Essence 10, no one has ever limited the Essence of Demons as far as I know.
 
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