Roseblack's new orders

Have they drawn a female DB (or female Exalt period) who isn't a hot chick?
 
Hmmm...I wouldn't call Tepet Elana hot. A strong warrior woman, sure...but far from hot, unlike her cousin. She's the magistrate.


For actually ugly, I'd have to say the Chimera...thing in the Lunar book is technically female and an exalt, and certainly not attractive.
 
Already been said - but I definitely think it's to go against the Bull of the North, considering the vindictiveness of doing that to Aradas granddaughter. Puts the personal in "Those Bastards!"


The first picture isn't Exalted chickdom, its a ghost named Princess Annuaski. Still, it's a good picture of a chick who is definitely disturbing and not hot.
 
what would be REALLY SCARY, is if she was to declare herself shogun and (for some obscure reason (a proper lineage SUDDENLY being discovered, or marriage to someone who did) (or maybe just killing enough of their soldiers impressively enough they took her seriously...


:shudders:


of course the lunars WILL NOT let it happen...
 
An interesting sub question is who, or most likely what coalition, mustered the political might to issue those orders.


Those orders are imperial, meaning they come from the state.


In the current situation, the state is largely paralyzed by the absence of a leader.  New executive orders all apparently originate from the Deliberative who get Fokuf to approve them.


Right, then, who did it?  I'm guessing you need a majority in the Greater Chamber and at least 1/3 in the lesser (so they don't overturn the motion).


Memnon for sure would wish ill to the Roseblack, but who joined her?  I daresay she doesn't control a majority of the Deliberative or she'd already be Empress.


Logically, for every house who has ambitions for the throne, the Roseblack is more useful as distant counterweight to Memnon than as a dead upstart that leave Memnon as the front runner.  Basically, if I was from the other major houses, I'd wish for the Rosebalck to remain far but safe until I'm ready to make a move for the throne myself (At which point I'd want the Roseblack's support or her death within days of a refusal).


Bottom line, if Roseblack has just received suicide mission orders (like taking on the Bull), what coalition banded with Memnon to produce them?
 
Uh... the chambers are a purely legislative tool, the empress had all executive rights. I daresay that in all monarchic systems sending legions around is the sole purview of the monarch and not some pesky legislative body, or in other words, the empress needed no law to send troops around.


The orders most probably come from fokuf or someone having control over him.


Perhaps the tepet house elders want to make a martyr out of the roseblack or mnemon assumed control over him. Or... in a twist that was hinted at in the autochton invasion. Fokuf could be making deals with outside forces, maybe a deathlord, perhaps he wants immortality and that deathlord has some evil scheme with the roseblack. Perhaps he wants a lot of corpses somewhere (unlikely) or wants to use the roseblack to create a shadowland somewhere. Perhaps he wants to send the roseblack on some very frightening and hard campaign that will ultimately lead her into his arms, make her his tool and then dispose of fokuf and get her on the throne...
 
It could have come from a Sidereal doing his part to tweak the line of control in the Empire.  If RB is sent off on a suicide mission and comes out victorious, imagine how much support she would gather?
 
Safim said:
Uh... the chambers are a purely legislative tool, the empress had all executive rights. I daresay that in all monarchic systems sending legions around is the sole purview of the monarch and not some pesky legislative body, or in other words, the empress needed no law to send troops around.
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Duh.  But the empress ain't here.  Fokuf has been appointed by the deliberative and is a figurehead who wouldn't be issuing executive orders on his own.  A figurehead for whom?  For those who put him there and can depose him ; the deliberative.  Therefore it is only logical that he can't issue major executive orders that don't meet the approval of 50%+1 of the deliberative or else he'll get immediately deposed and those orders rescinded by his successor.


Right now, in the absence of the empress, the deliberative is the only political body able to speak for the state.  Which it rarely does because it doesn't often manage to present a united front, or simply a 50+1 majority.


It is out of the question that a single minority faction would would be able to issue thos orders through Fokuf because the moment Fokuf start speaking for himself or for a minority faction, then the others would immediately depose Fokuf.


Very basic politics.  So it can't be a single faction whispering in Fokuf's hear.


So again, who mustered the political might to issue those orders?  Even if it is the siderals idea, they would have needed to manipulate half of the deliberative into going along with it.  


Which half is what I'm wondering because logically when the civil war does explode, who was in favor and who wasn't is going to be important.  These are the beginning or battle lines being drawn in the sand, here.


EDIT : BTW, senators answer to their house which makes the deliberative an extension of the games they are playing.  What I'm wondering is basically what coalition of Houses came together to issue those orders.
 
Charon said:
Safim said:
Uh... the chambers are a purely legislative tool, the empress had all executive rights. I daresay that in all monarchic systems sending legions around is the sole purview of the monarch and not some pesky legislative body, or in other words, the empress needed no law to send troops around.
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Duh.  But the empress ain't here.  Fokuf has been appointed by the deliberative and is a figurehead who wouldn't be issuing executive orders on his own.  A figurehead for whom?  For those who put him there and can depose him ; the deliberative.  Therefore it is only logical that he can't issue major executive orders that don't meet the approval of 50%+1 of the deliberative or else he'll get immediately deposed and those orders rescinded by his successor.


Right now, in the absence of the empress, the deliberative is the only political body able to speak for the state.  Which it rarely does because it doesn't often manage to present a united front, or simply a 50+1 majority.


It is out of the question that a single minority faction would would be able to issue thos orders through Fokuf because the moment Fokuf start speaking for himself or for a minority faction, then the others would immediately depose Fokuf.


Very basic politics.  So it can't be a single faction whispering in Fokuf's hear.


So again, who mustered the political might to issue those orders?  Even if it is the siderals idea, they would have needed to manipulate half of the deliberative into going along with it.  


Which half is what I'm wondering because logically when the civil war does explode, who was in favor and who wasn't is going to be important.  These are the beginning or battle lines being drawn in the sand, here.


EDIT : BTW, senators answer to their house which makes the deliberative an extension of the games they are playing.  What I'm wondering is basically what coalition of Houses came together to issue those orders.
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You are overinterpreting the canon setting.


First of all, there is canon material in which fokuf made decisions all of his own. The tepet adoptions, the tepet stipends and the locust crusade. In the first two occasions they did not get rid of him, probably because it was bothersome to do so and in the third occasion he just kicked their asses around. Canon is basically open to two fokuf interpretations. One, is that he is an idiot who holds the throne warm, which in my eyes is ultimately boring. The second is, that he is a very clever schemer who appeared weak to be appointed. I like that oone better, but I suppose before we discuss on, we better decide for one or I make clearer when I speak of which.
 
Where did you find the stuff on the Tepet adoptions and stipend? I can only recall having read the part you mention on the Locust Crusade.
 
Compass of Celestial Directions: The Blessed Isle and Manuals of Exalted Powers: the Dragonblooded. The adoptions are in a sidebar around house tepet and the stipend thing is right in the house tepet writeup.
 
It doesn't have to originate from the deliberative.  But it has to be at least tacitly approved.


Regarding the Tepet adoption and stipends, it obviously didn't rile up more than 50% of the deliberative so they let him continue.  And it should be obvious why ; it doesn't benefit the dynasts as a whole to see Tept be destroyed.  Anyone who has or hope to get Tepet support for the Throne will be willing to let them have their stipends and adoptions.  Only those who would benefit from their destruction would oppose and apparenly thos aren't 50% +1.


Considering the Locust crusade, I'm not sure what you are referring to.  By what I read, the Dynasts did nothing in the early stage because they underestimated the threat.  A clear sign of a state without leadership ; the Empress wouldn't have let it unanswered so long.  When the realm did answer in canon (assuming no PC interference, as it is made clear), it is too late to save the Lap and the amount of troops and ressource is unsufficient to recapture the lost ground "...Imperial forces, troubled as always by infighting, are forced to operate on a shoestring logistical base in the distant city of Paragon (Time of Tumult p.175)".


I see nothing here that would help me conclude the Regent is exerting any kind of leadership.  Late to react, no decisive military action.  If that's Fokuf kicking the ass of the deliberative, watch out world!  More likely this is the deliberative finally recognizing the threat and agreeing the army must be sent... but being unable to decide clearly who should be in charge and whose troops should be risked.


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Considering the possibility that Fokuf is a clever schemer, it is far fetched.


The guy was a nobody for nearly two centuries before he was selected.  It was his main qualification for the job.  And now he isn't doing squat that would help the realm or even solidify his hold on the throne.  The realm unability to respond efficiently to the locust crusade is a good example of that.


So basically Fokuf would have needed to mislead people on his true nature for decades so he'd get the chance to be put in this situation?  Waste his life all this time.  And then proceed to let the situation degenerate once he get in power on a fluke.  It makes no sense.  Especially since we know the empress has really been kidnapped and isn't testing the dynast in some sick game.


Frankly, if you want to rule, developping a reputation as a useless fop for over a hundred years and then proceed to be seen as a weak leader is no way to suceed.  A schemer with this profile would try to be the secret power behind the scene, ruling through blackmail and favors.  You don't want to take the front of the scene because you have developped a profile that invite people to ignore you if you are close to the emperor (which is good), but to plot to take you job if you are the emperor (which is bad).
 
I think what Safim is referring to is the scenario laid out in the Auto book. It says on p. 218:

Fokuf, the Regent of the Realm, a man who, until recently, showed no interest in ruling the Realm or the day-to-day business of diplomacy, begins demonstrating a disturbing level of interest in both politics and the goings-on within the Great Houses themselves.
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It then goes on to detail some of the schemes he pulls off. Of course, this is just one way to play Fokuf, and it is brought in as a campagin idea, so use it only if you want to. There's a whole bunch of examples in that campaign that WW answers some of the plot hooks they, until now, have deliberatly left open.
 
Not necessarily. Before I say anything here, I haven't read Time of Tumult so I can't comment on any of the particulars there. But you can certainly portray yourself as an incompetant and do a lot of wheeling and dealing behind the scenes without really having an eye on the throne. Instead, you could be building resources and compacts with outside parties, waiting for a chance to those resources to your advantage. It could be said that Fate played a fortuitious card when the Empress disappeared. Now, instead of trying to gain a place to use those resources - and some of those resources he may have worked on before gaining the throne could be the very same Deliberative members that put him into power - he can use those resources to secure the Regent's chair.


Does it take some Fate to make this happen? Yes. But then Fate has its hand all over Creation. It's just not quite as far fetched as you make it out to be.....
 
Jeppe said:
It then goes on to detail some of the schemes he pulls off. Of course, this is just one way to play Fokuf, and it is brought in as a campagin idea, so use it only if you want to. There's a whole bunch of examples in that campaign that WW answers some of the plot hooks they, until now, have deliberatly left open.
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Hey, that's good reading. Can't believe I hadn't seen that before.


But this section hints IMO that the regent is being manipulated by the deathlords since his decisions play to their advantage big time.


BTW : Walker in darkness got the short end of the stick in that deal compared to the other two.  Means he's the weakest?


Anyway, the only reason Fokuf wasn't overuled immediately was due to the particular situation in the South proposed in the south and excellent diplomatic acument on the part of the Deathlord.  You'll notice that the deliberative depose Fokuf in that scenario when Mask of Winters takes Arjuf.


Except of course in that scenario Fokuf has two death knight advisor and one Solar (presumably Moray Darktide) and he successfully decalre himself emperor.  But really, when you have death knights advisor it means your are still a puppet.  You just changed puppeteer.  No way this scenario shows Fokuf is particularly cunning.  It suggests he got bamboozled by powerful presence charms.


Which when you think about it is so deliciously ironic.  The deliberative chose him because he was weak and easily manipulate.  Yeah, well, in that scenario he was weak and easily manipulated for the Deathlord too!
 
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