Fantasy Pantheon Academy OOC

[BELIAL.]

BELIAL. is your character Ishtar or Aphrodite? I get that they influenced each other, but seeing as I am making a child of Ishtar character (unless it's decided by the GM that I waited too long and there now are too many) I'd kinda like to know what's up, parent-child wise

both since ishtar is aphrodite and vice versa. the origins of aphrodite are literally sticky in all the lore of sumeria and greece. they are one and the same adaptation (like venus is aphrodite). that would still work because its like calling your mom "mom, mother or heather". you feel? unless gm has other ideas then i'll just die
since religion isn't one single alone idea and has gone through time and adapted. we'll see what gm says *shrug emoji*

 

[Olissa]

But isn't that like saying Hera and Juno are just the same and so Juno is also Hera's children's mother? So then why have the multiple deities of multiple mythologies if in the end it's mostly evolved from the same origin (with some exceptions)

And I'm not the GM, they'll be able to determine if it makes sense or not in this universe, this is just how I've come to understand the pantheonverse here. (I do not mean this as an attack on you, I'm just trying to grasp the whole understanding of this world and why some things may or may not be done a certain way)

 

[BELIAL.]

But isn't that like saying Hera and Juno are just the same and so Juno is also Hera's children's mother? So then why have the multiple deities of multiple mythologies if in the end it's mostly evolved from the same origin (with some exceptions)

And I'm not the GM, they'll be able to determine if it makes sense or not in this universe, this is just how I've come to understand the pantheonverse here. (I do not mean this as an attack on you, I'm just trying to grasp the whole understanding of this world and why some things may or may not be done a certain way)

no you're totally good! i understand completely

hera and juno are the same though so... it would seem a little circular to differentiate them to that degree. in this case it isn't the distinction between the norse goddess of love and war/etc and the greek goddess of love and war because those cultures are vastly different. greece and iraq are very close when it comes to countries and the influence was strong throughout history on each other (especially in religion).
plus in the case of a roleplay it would feel moot to be solely aphrodite and leave space for ishtar to be a character when... like that'd be making the same character....? do you see what I mean?

I also wanted to lump them because the same old Aphrodite trope is tried and over used. It'd be beating a dead horse and a boring character if I made her the same vain, romantic, sexual person that she always is. she's three dimensional with the ishtar background and the aphrodite epithet that Accelerate mentioned. She becomes something more than just a vision of sex and fertility when her influence is actually a part of her character.

ancient greece / middle east relation in history <-- i threw a guardian article in there for some reading of my point and some evidence with it. anyone who's in the forum rn can check it out too gm as well Accelerate

 

[Pretzel Heart]

Obv not GM so my opinion is just that but I'm also interested in exploring this idea...

Culture never exists in a vacuum, but I think that the lore of this RP begins to fall apart once we start mixing and melding influences. The article you linked also puts Egyptian mythology in this same overlapping sphere as Greek and Sumerian, so does that mean, for example, Hathor should have her identity erased because Aphrodite exists? Even if Aphrodite's myths were influenced by Ishtar, in the end they were separate deities which served separate cultures. I think if you were making the argument Inanna is the same as Ishtar something could be said, similar to how we have Bastet conflated with Sekhmet. But as someone partial to Babylonian / Sumerian it's a bit sad to see these identities be swept under the rug... I was also thinking to make a child of Ereshkigal, but there's someone who is a child of Persephone, who was doubtlessly influenced by the Ereshkigal mythos, so does that mean Ereshkigal can't exist? Not to mention multiple children of these goddesses existing at the same time...

Another counterexample, if you look at it one way you could see how our 'big 3' monotheistic religions all derived from the same/similar source, and yet I think it's fair to say that someone identifying as a follower of God would not be keen on being mixed up with a follower of Allah, even if they functionally serve the same purpose (not going to get into a religious debate here so forgive me for being so casual if there is anyone with those leanings in the RP).

Sorry I just wanted to throw my thoughts out a bit. ;;

 

[BELIAL.]

Obv not GM so my opinion is just that but I'm also interested in exploring this idea...

Culture never exists in a vacuum, but I think that the lore of this RP begins to fall apart once we start mixing and melding influences. The article you linked also puts Egyptian mythology in this same overlapping sphere as Greek and Sumerian, so does that mean, for example, Hathor should have her identity erased because Aphrodite exists? Even if Aphrodite's myths were influenced by Ishtar, in the end they were separate deities which served separate cultures. I think if you were making the argument Inanna is the same as Ishtar something could be said, similar to how we have Bastet conflated with Sekhmet. But as someone partial to Babylonian / Sumerian it's a bit sad to see these identities be swept under the rug... I was also thinking to make a child of Ereshkigal, but there's someone who is a child of Persephone, who was doubtlessly influenced by the Ereshkigal mythos, so does that mean Ereshkigal can't exist? Not to mention multiple children of these goddesses existing at the same time...

Another counterexample, if you look at it one way you could see how our 'big 3' monotheistic religions all derived from the same/similar source, and yet I think it's fair to say that someone identifying as a follower of God would not be keen on being mixed up with a follower of Allah, even if they functionally serve the same purpose (not going to get into a religious debate here so forgive me for being so casual if there is anyone with those leanings in the RP).

Sorry I just wanted to throw my thoughts out a bit. ;;

big kiss for you i LOVE DISCUSSIONs

def will let gm decide, i'm cool to change whatever

 

[Olissa]

Snip... I was also thinking to make a child of Ereshkigal, but there's someone who is a child of Persephone, who was doubtlessly influenced by the Ereshkigal mythos, so does that mean Ereshkigal can't exist? ...Snip

I feel called out XD

 

[Pretzel Heart]

idalie D-Danny Devito !!?
This RP
Continues to
Elicit
Surprise

 

[idalie]

idalie D-Danny Devito !!?
This RP
Continues to
Elicit
Surprise

Scared, Potter?

 

[Pretzel Heart]

Scared, Potter?

Spankbanks, OTPs, fursonas, Danny Devito

Real Fear

 

[idalie]

Spankbanks, OTPs, fursonas, Danny Devito

Real Fear

His name is Hephaestus and he's filled with the raw power of kindness and the working maN, idk what ur talking abOUT

 

[Olissa]

Awww now I'm sad it's not Terry English that is the face claim for Hephaestus. He literally makes armors and weapons (for movies)

 

[idalie]

Awww now I'm sad it's not Terry English that is the face claim for Hephaestus. He literally makes armors and weapons (for movies)

Are you saying, Danny Devito is a bad faceclaim? Imma 'bout to come over there and whOOP YOU

 

[Pretzel Heart]

Bold of u to use this image and expect me to unsee the meme

 

[dmgink]

i think danny devito is perfect

 

[idalie]

Bold of u to use this image and expect me to unsee the meme

I used it to emphasise his kind heart, I think u will find it's a very sincere interpretation

 

[Olissa]

Hah good luck finding me XD (no for real I won't tell people they have a bad faceclaim cause it's not mine to decide haha, but my views had been different when I thought of him lol)

 

[BELIAL.]

Hah good luck finding me XD (no for real I won't tell people they have a bad faceclaim cause it's not mine to decide haha, but my views had been different when I thought of him lol)

idk i see a god of weapon making and a very efficient teacher

 

[idalie]

idk i see a god of weapon making and a very efficient teacher

just became canon, also xoxo

 

[BELIAL.]

just became canon, also xoxo

i love my husband

 

[idalie]

i love my husband

ilym x

 

[Accelerate]

The Reason For Multiple God/Goddesses is solely for Aspect purposes, Example Zeus Goes and Knocks up a woman and then Jupiter goes and Knocks her up after she gave birth, Those two kids are still Siblings regardless of the Split. Aspects are more of a Mood in a sense as many of the gods have multiple versions of themselves they are considered Personas that the God will take. But this is only for those who find their roots in multiple places.

So just think of it as The Personality of the God/Goddess is changed.
Zeus is more Loose as Greek but Roman more strict

Olissa

 

[Olissa]

But Ishtar's child is going to be 17 too, same as Aphrodite's kid. Aka now they must be twins with different fathers?

 

[Accelerate]

Same God/Goddess just different persona

 

[Accelerate]

But Ishtar's child is going to be 17 too, same as Aphrodite's kid. Aka now they must be twins with different fathers?

Not exactly. Ishtar can still be considered The Base Sumerian Goddess

 

[Accelerate]

Smh I only know of Sumerian gods cause of the Fate Series, But No Ishtar is still just Ishtar, While Aphrodite Areia is just based off her.