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Coralz said:
Yeah, I don't even know what that means without a dice roll. xD  


As long as those three characters aren't game-breakingly untouchable like Cornelius was against William, it can be lived with, I guess. I'm still kinda reeling about how Cornelius had his wrist grabbed by a pissed off, 700+ year old vampire and it didn't break. And how he shrugged off being slammed into a brick wall by said pissed off vampire, and was still lucid enough to sense a pinpoint gunshot location probably thirty stories up, line up a shot, and later, go right back out on another successful hunt. Should've been enough to take someone out of commission for at least 24 hours, and dude didn't even react.  


I get if these three are the new 'bad guy regime' or whatever, but damn, let's have them able to be damaged... otherwise, what's the point of even trying?
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I'm . . . . trying to keep this from falling back on dice rolls. Piecing and translating mechanics together is still a work in progress. Only made more tricky by never having played a table top RPG before. ^^;;; Now that I'm home I can give things a closer look and type out better answers.


That said, Cornelius should have died in that fight or at least been badly wounded. But in this case what's done is done, but I get the concern and will admit it was a fuck up on my part.

AngelicSavant said:
Well, to be frank, we're ALL the bad guys. Every single vampire or werewolf, regardless of their motivations, is still a monster at heart...  ¬¬


But otherwise yes, I completely agree. Gotta know where the limits are, especially when someone's primary objective appears to be mass genocide... 


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Aye, all the characters here are monsters. As Lucien put it  Kindred are damned creatures cursed to walk only in the night.


Anyway . . . I am open to suggestions on a fair way to handle the use of disciplines such as Dominate on other Kindred. One suggestion I've seen is a kind of tier system relating to a Kindred's power and how disciplines would effect them.

  • S Rank - King
  • A Rank - Heads of House and Council Member
  • B Rank - Upper House Member
  • C Rank - Lower House Member
  • D Rank - Ghoul
  • E Rank - Mortal

Disciplines are far more successful against someone of a lower tier. Equal tier it's a battle of wills and likely falls onto GM decision with them taking into account the target's current mental state, age, stuff like that. If you use it against a higher tier . . . you're just burning blood.
 
AngelicSavant said:
@KageYuuki


Is the council aware of Lady Death's existence? Not necessarily her motives, but just that she's around and what she's capable of? 
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They've likely heard rumors. Though if I understand correctly she's been laying low and hasn't really made any moves so she's still fairly unknown. Once she starts acting on her plans though it won't be long until the council and Kings collect a good amount of information on her. House Vonun's pretty damn good at sniffing things out.


@Throne Trinity?
 
Yeah pretty much. The last trace of her even existing was in that city that burned to the ground. After that she remained nameless and hidden for a long time. She hasn't done much more than observe so chances of anyone knowing about her are very slim (pun). It is possible her face has been seen in passing, but it would be like remembering a stranger you've seen once in your life.
 
KageYuuki said:
Fuck LaCroix . . . >> Stupid Ventrue . . .


I'm trying to piece that together. Though if the tier idea doesn't really catch on or if there's a better suggestion that comes up, it won't matter
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I like the Tier system as a back bone. It's the base line for battles, but it's also flexible depending on the circumstance. 
 
Onikmey said:
Can you give a tier list with werewolves added? 


There's some at Walgreens sometimes
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Have to get @KageYuuki's ok on this but I would assume an alpha wolf would be on par with a king's ranking, and a beta with a head of house. Lower ranking pack members, and lone wolves would filed in the remaining ranks based off age, skill and abilities. 
 
@Shandragontear thas good to know, because I was thinking that alphas were at heads of house because theres lots of them and they used to be enslaved by vampires, who only have 3 kings. I would have assumed wrongly. Thank you
 
Shandragontear said:
Have to get @KageYuuki's ok on this but I would assume an alpha wolf would be on par with a king's ranking, and a beta with a head of house. Lower ranking pack members, and lone wolves would filed in the remaining ranks based off age, skill and abilities. 
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I"ll admit it's kind of tricky with Lycans . . . They're rightly feared due to the fact they can rip a majority of vampires apart. In terms of physical prowess even the Kings would lose out in a one on one with many of the older, but lowering ranking pack members. Hell Fenrir (Who is admittedly an Alpha) nearly ended Alucard in a single blow. They're powerful, they're deadly, and that's why so many kindred want them either enslaved or wiped from existence.

Onikmey said:
@Shandragontear thas good to know, because I was thinking that alphas were at heads of house because theres lots of them and they used to be enslaved by vampires, who only have 3 kings. I would have assumed wrongly. Thank you
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In terms of the average pack, Alphas would fall under A Rank and Betas B Rank. Though there are very few packs that are an exception to this such as the Ethelwolf Pack. Morro and Fenrir are both considered S Rank while Morrigan falls under A Rank.


At least that's the current standing of it.
 
Also, just to throw my two cents in regarding lycan vs. kindred battle.


Generally werewolves are physically stronger then vampires. Unless a vampire has an ability that makes them stronger then the average vampire it is unlikely a vampire would be able to break a werewolf's bones. Even using a weapon it wouldn't penetrate deep enough into the muscles tissue to hit bone unless the weapon was made of silver. A lycan would also shake off a hit rather easily because of this. 


Vampires however, are much faster then werewolves. So it would be extremely difficult for a werewolf (or anyone for that matter) to shoot a vampire as any who know how to use their unnatural speed would be able to dodge faster then the bullets flying from the gun.


So to break it down a lycan can over power a kindred, but only if they can get a hold of them first. Which is not an easy task as a vampire can run circles around a werewolf. 
 
Shandragontear said:
Also, just to throw my two cents in regarding lycan vs. kindred battle.


Generally werewolves are physically stronger then vampires. Unless a vampire has an ability that makes them stronger then the average vampire it is unlikely a vampire would be able to break a werewolf's bones. Even using a weapon it wouldn't penetrate deep enough into the muscles tissue to hit bone unless the weapon was made of silver. A lycan would also shake off a hit rather easily because of this. 


Vampires however, are much faster then werewolves. So it would be extremely difficult for a werewolf (or anyone for that matter) to shoot a vampire as any who know how to use their unnatural speed would be able to dodge faster then the bullets flying from the gun.


So to break it down a lycan can over power a kindred, but only if they can get a hold of them first. Which is not an easy task as a vampire can run circles around a werewolf. 
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Throne Trinity said:
How fast is a vampire with Celerity? @Shandragontear
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Does Celerity make them faster? Yeah I know almost nothing about vampire abilities. ^-^; Hence why I'm so hesitant to approve them. 


It should probably also be noted that vampires usually have more powerful abilities, theirs being more magical in nature, and a werewolf's being more instinctual/natural/organic. 
 
Onikmey said:
 I was thinking that alphas were at heads of house because theres lots of them and they used to be enslaved by vampires, who only have 3 kings. I would have assumed wrongly. Thank you





 






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Vampires only have three Kings, but look at how many vampires there are just strolling around with King-level age and power. Just like the alphas. 

Throne Trinity said:
How fast is a vampire with Celerity?
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Celerity makes a vampire EVEN faster than the already supernaturally fast vampires out there. Looking at Orlov's sheet, I'd imagine with Celerity he could move so quickly he'd practically seem to be teleporting to a slower opponent. In the game, it's like the rest of the world is in super slo-mo, even boss level monsters. 
 
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Shandragontear said:
Does Celerity make them faster? Yeah I know almost nothing about vampire abilities. ^-^; Hence why I'm so hesitant to approve them. 


It should probably also be noted that vampires usually have more powerful abilities, theirs being more magical in nature, and a werewolf's being more instinctual/natural/organic. 
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Yeah it gives them supernatural quickness and reflexes. 
 
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Shandragontear said:
Also, just to throw my two cents in regarding lycan vs. kindred battle.


Generally werewolves are physically stronger then vampires. Unless a vampire has an ability that makes them stronger then the average vampire it is unlikely a vampire would be able to break a werewolf's bones. Even using a weapon it wouldn't penetrate deep enough into the muscles tissue to hit bone unless the weapon was made of silver. A lycan would also shake off a hit rather easily because of this. 


Vampires however, are much faster then werewolves. So it would be extremely difficult for a werewolf (or anyone for that matter) to shoot a vampire as any who know how to use their unnatural speed would be able to dodge faster then the bullets flying from the gun.


So to break it down a lycan can over power a kindred, but only if they can get a hold of them first. Which is not an easy task as a vampire can run circles around a werewolf. 





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Given that, Vladimir, Cassius, and Lucinda seem well-equipped for the task of hunting, skill-set wise.  B|  Well, really any high-ranking vampire with a 'no contact required' combat ability. Still doesn't make it a safe hobby, obviously. :P  
 
AngelicSavant said:
Still doesn't make it a safe hobby, obviously.
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Meh, was never meant to be a 'safe' hobby.

AngelicSavant said:
Vampires only have three Kings, but look at how many vampires there are just strolling around with King-level age and power. Just like the alphas. 
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To reiterate, most alphas fall under the same rank as heads of houses. And counting Lucien and Alucard, there are currently four King level kindred running around.

Shandragontear said:
Does Celerity make them faster?
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Aye, to the point the world seems to be moving in slow motion for kindred with higher levels of Celerity. There's even a discipline that takes Celerity a step further and effects the flow of time. But . . . that's banned here for obvious reasons xD
 
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