[OOC] The Wall [Clashing Waves]

[Persell]

Just two zombies? Is that it?

Well, with FWF and Rowan wrestling a tentacle demon in the water, I can hardly set one on you guys.


And yeah, I'll be rolling a fair few things for you guys in order to spead things up. Unless you've told me otherwise, or have a Mastery/Unity active, I won't be applying Excellencies in most cases.

 

[Sherwood]

I try to mention the effects of my Dex Excellency, and at what level I'm using it at. So far, I've only been adding 3 dice to my rolls, since they are free with the other Dex Excellency I have. I can go as far as doubling it, but I don't know how long this fight will be and I'm trying to keep my Essence expenditures down.

 

[Haku1]

Screw waiting. Team Anathema, I'll just roll Aleph's JB for him. Team Realm, if ssssz/Rocketbilly doesn't post before tommorrow night, I'll have the Raksha attack anyway.

num... what time and what time zone, we talking here?

 

[Arthur]

Good question. What TZ is everyone at? I'm at GMT-3.

 

[Jukashi]

I'm GMT here.

 

[Arthur]

I'd like to note I was strangely able to accidentally edit Jukashi's post. How is that possible?

 

[Quchu]

Gah, sorry, the ISP decided to be an ass and I didn't have the chance to come to the library. Let me read up on what happened so far. >_>

 

[saganite]

Glad to see you're still alive sssssz .


Hey Tome, you may or may not have seen this before, but it's a suggested modification to social combat that wordman made not a while back. The ST of the other games I'm in have decided to adopt it, and I was wondering what your take on it was.


Oh, and the rest of you can comment too. If you must .

House rule: Replace the rules for relative appearance (which pits Appearance vs. Appearance) with a DV modifier pitting the attacker's Appearance vs. the defender's Temperance. This avoids the somewhat odd construct that pretty people are somehow more resistant to persuasion and gives Temperance a purpose in social combat (as written, it is the only Virtue that isn't used). Plus, it just seems to fit what Temperence is supposed to represent.

 

[Arthur]

Glad to see you're still alive sssssz .
Hey Tome, you may or may not have seen this before, but it's a suggested modification to social combat that wordman made not a while back. The ST of the other games I'm in have decided to adopt it, and I was wondering what your take on it was.


Oh, and the rest of you can comment too. If you must .

House rule: Replace the rules for relative appearance (which pits Appearance vs. Appearance) with a DV modifier pitting the attacker's Appearance vs. the defender's Temperance. This avoids the somewhat odd construct that pretty people are somehow more resistant to persuasion and gives Temperance a purpose in social combat (as written, it is the only Virtue that isn't used). Plus, it just seems to fit what Temperence is supposed to represent.

I also like this rule, we should adopt it.

 

[Lord Ben]

I'm against it. It makes appearance into even more of a dump stat. Plus things like that should be said before characters start with 1 temperance!

 

[Quchu]

I'm so-so about the rule. It's nifty and gives social combat the feel of completion, but I always thought App. vs App. bit represented how relative look affects social interaction. If you aren't as good-looking as the person you are talking to, you feel a little put down. >_> Maybe it's too minor to take into account in Exalted social combat, but eh. I think I get the reasoning.


Maybe higher/lower of Temperance or Appearance is used to determine mechanics? *shrugs*

 

[Haku1]

I too am ambivient about this rule... given that I have an appearance of 5 and a tempermance of 1 ;;;

 

[saganite]

Haku, if your character is so lacking in Temperance, then why isn't she participating in the hedonistic festivities? I would think her current action seems so Un-Temperance-1-like. >.>

Maybe higher/lower of Temperance or Appearance is used to determine mechanics? *shrugs*

That was discussed later in the thread. If the rule was to be implemented, I think that making it as the higher of Temperance or Appearance would be best, especially since that Virtues cap at 5, while Attributes can go higher (and there's also an Excellency for it, in the case of Lunars).

 

[The Scorp]

Tsundere Extraordinairre!!!!


Sorry...couldn't help myself.

 

[saganite]

Hehehe I saw that too. Scorp, any opinions on the house rule in question?

 

[The Scorp]

I really can't say much about it. I usually don't incorporate social combat with any exalted games I've ever ran. Either just never had a situation arise to use it or just did away with it entirely.


Just off of thinking about it without play testing it (really I dont see a difference...a stat's a stat.), it makes sense. Temperance is what governs composure and having a high composure should defend against a incredibly hot looking, well kept individual.


So I am kind of sided toward app vs temp, but Im game for whatever is decided...doesnt really change much for me.

 

[saganite]

Hehe, same here. Theran avoids social conflicts as much as possible >.>. But yea, that's my reasoning behind it as well.

 

[Lord Ben]

Except appearance in the game isn't just simply physical attractiveness. It's also the ability to generate and instinctive response in others. So if one person has a higher appearance they're slightly better at the instinctive response bit and that's where it comes in.


Temperance is also resisting impulses, where social combat isn't always about impulses, it's also well reasoned arguements. And temperance doesn't help someone with logic.


Temperance is one of the opposed rolls you get as a defense against a few charms/sorcery if my memory serves me right, and you can always channel it for even more dice in a situation like that.

 

[saganite]

And isn't acting on instinct an impulse? Temperance does help with resisting impulse, yes.


Social combat IS also about well-reasoned arguments. Temperance may not help someone with logic, BUT neither does Appearance.

 

[Lord Ben]

Not directly, but it mitigates how effective your opponents is.

 

[saganite]

And if your opponent shows enough self-control (aka Temperance), your physical Appearance shouldn't affect them. You miss the point.

 

[Lord Ben]

No, I don't miss it. I just don't accept your reasoning. Your MDV is your self-control for resisting other peoples influence. Not temperance. Temperance is resisting impulses like addictions, drugs, the brief urge to strike someone who spits at you, etc. These are all internal things. Resisting YOURSELF, not another persons influence.

 

[Persell]

Blah, haven't been able to post tonight. I'll finish writing these posts in the morning. I'm GMT +0 by the way.


In other news, Aleph is gonna feel this one.

 

[saganite]

Your MDV is your self-control. Not temperance.

Funny how the Core says otherwise.

The Temperance Virtue measures the character's self control.

Let's see what the Core says about MDV:

[QUOTE="Exalted Second Edition]
Dodge MDV: This represent's a character's capacity to avoid being influenced through a disciplined refusal to engage. By not arguing and instead standing fast to principles or sheer will, the character remains untouched.
Parry MDV: This is a character's capacity to deflect persuasion through retort, calculated as (blah blah blah)....

[/QUOTE]
I don't see anything there about self-control .


I really still think you are missing the point. Appearance does not contribute directly to Social attacks in the form of one's dice pool. It currently serves to manipulate the DV of the defender. Let's look at what the Core says concerning appearance in Social Combat:

[QUOTE="Exalted Second Edition]
Appearance: Combining physical attractiveness and poise, a high Appearance aids in virtually any social endeavor, from oration to seduction to intimidation. Characters with a hideous visage have a higher effective Appearance rating for the express purpose of intimidating others or resisting intimidation (Appearance 1 = Appearance 3, while Appearance 0 = Appearance 5).

[/QUOTE]
If you have are better looking (aka higher Appearance), the affect you have on people is more profound. However, people who chose to disregard the aesthetically pleasing will not be as affected as easily. An extremely orthodox individual of faith isn't going to more easily accept the words of a beautiful celebrity simply because she looks pretty. At the same time, the typical college frat boy would be more aligned to accept those same words.


I know I'm using some stereotypes here. I apologize in advance to anyone offended. >.>


EDIT: Tome, if you look back one page you'll find the source of all the commotion. Of course your opinion on this will be what is final, but either way I'm interested to know what you think.

 

[Lord Ben]

Blah, haven't been able to post tonight. I'll finish writing these posts in the morning. I'm GMT +0 by the way.
In other news, Aleph is gonna feel this one.

Was doing that necromancy damage his action on tick 4? Or does he now get to act. In other news I'm down 6 health levels.