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ViAdvena said:
Angel with a Shotgun group just got dark really fast o_o
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What were what were you expecting? The Knights knew there'd be at least a couple of Supers so they were prepared. The parking lot would have gone up regardless. Everything inside the mall was planned for maximum negative anti-Super PR.


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*sigh* I guess the Knights didn't exactly prepare for everything. After all, those suits are made of metal, right? Metal that can...oh what the hell. Expect shit to hit the fan. Eve will be pissed af.
 
welian said:
@Gus @Unlimited @Suzuki Mine I need you three to report to the Flight of the Valkyries PM and tell me what your characters were last doing. @DJ MagicHat and @Swoob and I are currently working on an Ostrich Whisperer post now that our resident disc jockey is done moving into his new home.
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Sorry, I had reported that Sunday night, but I kinda buried the lead. Made a clarifying post just now.
 
@Teh Frixz @welian I have detected a paradox between Red's actions and that of the Knights' leader:

A second box formed below the teenager going up to protect her. One side had quite the edge....Pointed directly at the arm of the terrorist holding onto the girl. If he felt truly attached to that arm' date=' he would let go. If not....Well....The girl would be screaming and covered in blood and a severed limb.....His choice.[/quote']
And yet, the Knight's leader still manages to execute her. Explain, please?


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I noticed that too. Since they were wearing reactive body armor though, I think she is still toast, just maybe not via neck snap. The edge of the box would activate the reactive effect and the shrapnel from that directly to the back of the neck and head will probably do. Also, assuming the armor is powered and has an inhumanly strong grip, the closing of the box would probably break her neck anyway by violently pulling the hand away from her; the neck is more likely to give than the armor.
 
@Zahzi indicated the box had a very sharp edge, I'd assume he'd recognise high-grade armor based on his military knowledge and potentially of the projected capabilities of the Knights of Raguel. With his level of ability, could we assume that he could craft a mono-molecular edge to that box side? There's no armor in the world that would be proof against an edge that cuts between individual atoms.





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Comic book physics aside, an ordinary piece of metal, even one shaped by enormously powerful magnetic fields, can't do that. "Between the atoms" is a common misunderstanding of fundamental principles of physics and chemistry. The 'spaces' between atoms are not empty, they are filled with electric fields. And at close ranges, electric fields behave exactly like what we think of as solids. (The floor, when you stand on it for instance, is holding you up on the electric fields of the atoms that comprise it) An edge that got as thin as that would also be weak. (imagine trying to cut kevlar with a razor blade)


Even reinforced by a magnetic field, it wouldn't cut 'between the atoms' it would just cause shearing stresses commensurate with the magnitude of the force and the size of the cross sectional area of the blade. If that was more than the armor could take, it would be cut, sure, but that is not getting between the atoms in the sense that you mean. Mechanical stresses just can't do that. The only way I can think of to get 'between' the atoms is by prying them apart directly with the magnetic field itself. He didn't do that though, and I don't think he could, since he also didn't just implode them all inside their armors. Presumably it is made of some type of carbon fiber or carbon nanotubes or something, using no metal at all, and rendering them immune to direct magnetic attack. Knowing they were potentially up against Red, they'd have done better to show up naked than to wear metal armor.


We are pretty near to being able to create materials stronger than steel already in the real world out of carbon nanotubes, so that is not at all implausible. Additionally the idea of reactive armor (While a suuuuupper bad idea for personal body armor) is that it actually explodes before impact occurs, thus pushing aside the attack or disrupting the plasma jet of a shaped charge from an anti armor missile. So when the blade approaches the wrist, the armor will explode outward around the point of predicted impact, slightly slowing the blade, and simultaneously knocking the wrist out of the way, avoiding the attack entirely. (Also, gruesomely, taking some hair, scalp, and perhaps even skull fragments with it)


Mind you, I am not saying the Knights actions are entirely consistent with Red's actions, just that no reasonable edit, given what we now know about their armor is going to save that poor girl unless she has supporting power b: bulletproof back of head and neck.
 
I will say this though: reactive body armor would not save you from a concussion, it would make it worse. What eve did to those guys would have been made worse by the helmets exploding at the point of contact because it would increase the amount of acceleration undergone by the brain, by changing the velocity of their skulls more rapidly. That said, Ironman and War Machine have both survived falls that created impact craters on more than one occasion. Armor is absolute shit at protecting you from massive full body blunt force trauma. And helmets only stop skull fractures and penetration by projectiles. They do crap against concussion. (ask the NFL) But this is the comics, and as I noted, that ship has sailed. Comic book helmets ftw.


(Sorry all, this is what you get when you let a physics teacher into your role-play)


TL;DR Don't argue with the GM. Dat gurl iz ded.
 
Acid could be thought of as getting between the atoms, I suppose, being a chemical reaction that disrupts the bonds between atoms.


(Which is perhaps why Klaus's attack succeeded where the others failed?)
 
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So Feedback's death was a Xanatos Gambit. By actually confronting and assaulting the Knights, Red et al just worsened the situation.


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What about Eve's ability to control more than just metal? (more or less all solid elements)
 
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I was under the impression that was more to do with landscaping and building restructuring rather than extending to manipulation as fine as clothing and armor? The whole feel of the power was sort of large scale manipulation with limited fine detail control.


Edit: otherwise she could god mod the crap out of people by just choking them out with their own clothing. Or stopping cars in mid air? I think she could stop a car by opening a hole in front of it, or creating a wall in front of it, but stopping it by direct TK seems more Michael than Eve.
 
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Lots of things could have happened, but what it came down to was this:


Knights laid an obvious trap with pre meditated intentions.


The original intentions were to open a dialogue


The longer said dialogue went on, the more chance the PCs had at defusing the situation


PCs went balls to the wall attack and committed hard to several auto-win attacks


Situation was built to rebound so rebound it did.


Now not all situations will play out the same, very few in fact, but do realize I'm not an evil GM, I love your characters and want to see them be badass awesome but not to the point of making this story easier. I want depth and character development and the best way to get that is through the crucible of misfortune and triumph.


You guys got this, don't fret okay :)
 
[QUOTE="Teh Frixz]Lots of things could have happened, but what it came down to was this:
Knights laid an obvious trap with pre meditated intentions.


The original intentions were to open a dialogue


The longer said dialogue went on, the more chance the PCs had at defusing the situation


PCs went balls to the wall attack and committed hard to several auto-win attacks


Situation was built to rebound so rebound it did.


Now not all situations will play out the same, very few in fact, but do realize I'm not an evil GM, I love your characters and want to see them be badass awesome but not to the point of making this story easier. I want depth and character development and the best way to get that is through the crucible of misfortune and triumph.


You guys got this, don't fret okay :)

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At this point, I am grateful Gavin was trapped on the floor under a jerk. He had a human shield for at least part of the fun. Being that my character is squishy and all that, I just want him to live.
 
Just gonna say, this won't reflect well in Danny's eyes. He already has a poor opinion of Supers. This? This is going to be hard to justify to him.


Captain Hesperus
 
Consequences are a major theme in this story. Sometimes going balls to the wall to save innocents is the best idea. Sometimes it's not. Part of the story is about our characters learning this.


For example - now that the children in the zoo are harming and possibly killing birds, they're going to have to help clean up the mess.
 
Danny has yet to touch anything. Also what's the LEO response at this time? I mean, the 911 lines would have lit up the minute armed and armored people appeared in the Mall, Tabby's appearance would have also set the phones ringing off the hook and, while it's still in the offing, the Commonwealth HQ situation is going to be a priority response.


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Everything is chaos, yes. I've neglected to address it in the background of my posts, though. Bad GM! Bad! Police are swarming like locusts, the CW agents are just about to realize what's happened, and I'm sure there will be a cruiser or three checking out the zoo as we speak.
 
Russ Travis is likely to be one of the responders to the zoo.... X_X


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[QUOTE="Captain Hesperus]Russ Travis is likely to be one of the responders to the zoo.... X_X

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Would you like to create an NPC profile for him and play that out?
 
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