Naruto Rebirth: Kakureyami OOC

[White Masquerade]

Yep

Hm. Alright. Good to hear you going into another thing, Quirk. Don't embarrass me, rival.


@Lucem Tenebris


Oh yeah. Arrow has gotten a little...yeah. The longer things go on, the...weirder they get. With TV shows I mean. Like they run out of the good stuff and things start making you go, "huh?"

 

[Lucem]

A lot of the staff has broken up to work on Flash, Legends of Tomorrow, and Supergirl, so the writing has taken a bit of a hit. I appreciate that they're incorporating more supernatural elements like the Lazarus Pit and magic, but the show seems more fixated on Oliver and Felicity's relationship, which is a complaint that I've heard a lot. I don't think we'll get back to how Not-Batman used to be, but it's much better than what DC's cinematic universe has to offer.

 

[White Masquerade]

[QUOTE="Lucem Tenebris]A lot of the staff has broken up to work on Flash, Legends of Tomorrow, and Supergirl, so the writing has taken a bit of a hit. I appreciate that they're incorporating more supernatural elements like the Lazarus Pit and magic, but the show seems more fixated on Oliver and Felicity's relationship, which is a complaint that I've heard a lot. I don't think we'll get back to how Not-Batman used to be, but it's much better than what DC's cinematic universe has to offer.

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Yes! The popularity of Arrow set off a rash of parallel shows and that is certainly taking away from what it had to offer. I understand what's going on behind the scenes but =/. It's always sad to see creativity and a good set-up break under the pressures of maximizing profit. As much as I like ships...I like good stories better, Luce. It's a little bummer-ing. Haha. The DC Cinema is...ergh. Well. At least they're putting in effort? To me, the live, human actors are limiting it. It's hard to find real people that can portray legendary figures. Batman? Try again. Superman. Not quite. Wonder Woman? Kind of..? Lantern was decent.


Until CG gets hyper lifelike, I don't think DC's cinema is going to go anywhere with the way they're directing. Can't put my finger on it, but Marvel has nailed on something they're sorely missing. Better casting?

 

[Pequeno Burraidh]

Yea, currently results are polling that the 'Leave' group is ahead by 1.5%... but mind you, they've only gotten through less than 5% of the vote, so we've still got a long wait. Do you mind me asking your thoughts on the whole thing, since you as well as @Veirrianna Valentine are citizens of the UK?

A bit divided to be honest.


On one hand, when nine out of ten economists, as IG stated, say leaving is economic suicide, it does in fact raise some worries as to what leaving would do to us. That said, however, it's not like the whole of the EU is really doing that well economically anyhow. Furthering upon that, I'm a local farmer. I buy what I need local, and I sell fairly local as well, so a national shift wouldn't cause me as many problems as it might cause others, at least not at first, but it would have to be one hell of an issue to trickle down fast enough to cause a major issue immediately.


Part of the issue too, lies in with the migrant crisis. If anyone isn't up for handling the topic like an adult(which is a serious worry) then don't read what's in the spoiler.

Spoiler

Laying it out clear and clean, I handle the topic of the migration with facts on what has happened, and I am not 'hampered' by fears of seeming racist towards a minority coloured group. I AM a minority coloured person after all, so that's not a hindrance like it has been for 'white' people, which is unfair because it shouldn't even be a thing. Anyhow, moving on.


The migrant crisis is an awful situation through and through, both in what started it and what has happened because of it. The problem in of itself is that Syria has become a relatively inhospitable country due to the constant warring and threat of death should one stay. As terrible as that is, the majority of those immigrating are not who you would expect, the women or the children, but are actually fit, younger to middle aged men. What bothers me is that more oft than not, it's telling that many of the too old, or too young, are being left behind which shouldn't be the case, but is. If that happened here or in the States, or in Germany, and the armies and the physically fit fled and left the rest to their fates, their would be world wide uproar. What needs to happen is that some group needs to stabilise Syria and make it liveable again.


Another major issue is that people from a world where women and children have less rights, or no rights, in comparison to men, are coming into a place where that is not the case. Many people can adapt, however, and understand that this is not their home or land, and they need to follow the rules here if they wish to remain. Many more people, however, are not adapting. They refuse to, and when the countries in which they break the rules fail to respond accordingly, usually for fear of appearing racist, it spurs them on. It's like running a child's care centre and never punishing kids for hitting or hurting others. What happens? They become entitled to the idea that they can do whatever they like. The thing is, that isn't just child behaviour, it is human behaviour. So any of the extreme types that see others not getting in trouble get spurred on.


Npow some may be thinking, what do the refugees have to worry the UK for? Well, we only have to have our borders open for an unlimited number of EU residents, so that should block out the Syrian Refugees? Right? Right? Not quite, as more and more countries in the EU are pushing for open borders entirely as well as awarding citizenship to a large number of refugees that have not been screened properly. Which then allows those improperly screened refugees, now citizens, to go anywhere in the EU.


This is a problem because time and time again EU based counties, including England, have show a rubbish amount of responsibility in how they've handled such crisis for fear of coming off as racist or discriminatory. Germany threatened it's own citizens with legal repercussion should they use any self defence tool against any attacking refugees, which after the Christmas/New Year's fiasco is disgusting. England allowed an eight month long child sex grooming and slavery business to run it's own course because they feared that to stop it would be discriminatory against minorities, all while ignoring the children in the case. Bugger all if my (White)cousin, a child case worker, didn't attempt to go down there and form some form of legal aide and defence for the kids and wind up incarcerated for 'Hate Speech and Defamation of a race of peoples' before later being released a couple weeks after the whole incident came to light.


The proof that our countries will seemingly refuse to aide their own peoples in the effort to appear as politically correct as possible does not give me faith in the Union.


Another red flag, for myself at least, is Obama's blatant backing of staying in the Union after his poor response to the Florida shooting. His almost immediate deflection from the shooter to gun laws was pitifully hidden and about as subtle as an elephant shitting in a primary school's lunch room.


For the migrants, well, come into the country and follow our laws. The end. Your religious laws mean bugger all and there is a very valid reason Westboro Baptist is outlawed as a cult here. Don't give reason to get added to that list and you will find that for the most part people are amicable.

Bumping back to economy, I was told, when the Union formed and they all went to the Euro, it was a terrible idea, because if one country fell they would all fall. Because the countries are linked to the /exact/ same rules, if one country began to have problems, they would all soon have the same problems. This has proven to be true on multiple different instances, and I personally do not want to start facing many of the same issues other's in the EU countries are facing at this moment.


To be wholly honest, there's just a lot of shit going on, and while much of it hasn't reached Scotland, the truth is, I don't want it to and it seems like Brexit may be the best way to handle that. It may cause problems of it's own, but unless better fixes are found for the economic and migrant based issues the EU is suffering then I don't see any better options.


My hope for if we stay in is that the threat of losing us will spur them to reassess the way they handle things, and my hope for if we Brexit is that the loss will spur them to reassess the way they handle things, but either way, the EU needs to understand that what they are doing is not working.

 

[izayoiix]

[QUOTE="White Masquerade]Is it as good as Arrow?

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Felicity and Oliver and John and even Ray have made an appearance in Flash. It's mostly Felicity who stops by though. I love them both.


Barry is just so adorably geeky that I just love him. Similar to how I love Felicity I think.

 

[izayoiix]

Regarding Arrow, I'm only on season two, so I don't know how it is recently, but from the beginning, I loved the show.

 

[White Masquerade]

Regarding Arrow, I'm only on season two, so I don't know how it is recently, but from the beginning, I loved the show.

Ah gotcha. It's not a bad show the end of the day. You'd still be entertained Infi.

 

[clarinetti]

@IG42[/URL]
Well, those were both rather honest and insightful responses- thank you for that, spoilers and all. I was talking about it with a friend of mine who studies political science, and he'd commented on some of those points as well, particularly regarding the economics. Of course, I can't say much as a bystander to all this, but I can understand where people's concerns are stemming from. They want to have more control on their finances and who goes in and out of the country. Separating from the EU also paves the way for other opportunities to arrive, such as trade deals with Commonwealth countries that might not jive so much with EU's current regulation. And the EU certainly has its share of problems. But the uncertainty of the situation and not being able to truly know all the consequences of such an action is what's daunting, both in terms of the country as well as the international political/economic climate.

Spoiler

Leave is currently at 15 million votes, and the BBC has called it that the Brexit is now a thing... damn

 

[Pequeno Burraidh]

... I'm not ticklish- you can try if you're so inclined, but you will almost inevitably fail.
Also, as a sidenote regarding the whole DC movie business- Yea, it's not been the same since the Nolan Batman trilogy, but I have hope that subsequent movies might be better. Suicide Squad looks ok (As long as they don't drop anymore trailers and give away the entire movie), and maybe they'll get their act together for the Justice League movie... but we'll see. Just wish there wasn't such a focus on the Marvel/DC rivalry- so far, I've enjoyed the tone of Marvel films more, but they've also had a few more years to tweek their formula and figure out what works, whereas DC only got into the whole universe building business after the success of Iron Man/Avengers, from my understanding at least.


@Veirrianna Valentine @IG42


Well, those were both rather honest and insightful responses- thank you for that, spoilers and all. I was talking about it with a friend of mine who studies political science, and he'd commented on some of those points as well, particularly regarding the economics. Of course, I can't say much as a bystander to all this, but I can understand where people's concerns are stemming from. They want to have more control on their finances and who goes in and out of the country. Separating from the EU also paves the way for other opportunities to arrive, such as trade deals with Commonwealth countries that might not jive so much with EU's current regulation. And the EU certainly has its share of problems. But the uncertainty of the situation and not being able to truly know all the consequences of such an action is what's daunting, both in terms of the country as well as the international political/economic climate.

Spoiler

Leave is currently at 15 million votes, and the BBC has called it that the Brexit is now a thing... damn

I've fixed the response, so it's a whole now.

 

[Lucem]

[QUOTE="White Masquerade]Yes! The popularity of Arrow set off a rash of parallel shows and that is certainly taking away from what it had to offer. I understand what's going on behind the scenes but =/. It's always sad to see creativity and a good set-up break under the pressures of maximizing profit. As much as I like ships...I like good stories better, Luce. It's a little bummer-ing. Haha. The DC Cinema is...ergh. Well. At least they're putting in effort? To me, the live, human actors are limiting it. It's hard to find real people that can portray legendary figures. Batman? Try again. Superman. Not quite. Wonder Woman? Kind of..? Lantern was decent.
Until CG gets hyper lifelike, I don't think DC's cinema is going to go anywhere with the way they're directing. Can't put my finger on it, but Marvel has nailed on something they're sorely missing. Better casting?

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I don't think the casting or CG is the issue with the cinematic universe. They've got talented actors and actresses to work with, along with enough money to do whatever they want. I view it as an issue with writing and directing.


A lot of people like to criticize Snyder's work for being too dark, since they're used to Marvel's fun and safe approach, which I don't have a problem with. There's just a lack of understanding when it comes to the characters and their motivations. The Batman v Superman movie is filled with that.


I won't spoil anything in this thread, but Batman's character just doesn't feel right during the film. He breaks rules and limitations that have been deeply tied to him since his comic debut, which is mainly seen when it comes to lethal action. He's usual calmness and wit is severely lacking. Superman didn't have as many issues, but trying to make him just as dark and brooding as the bat just makes the experience bleak, also making the difference between them seem nonexistent at times. Their motivation for fighting is also extremely disappointing. The conflict should have been based on their morals and methods (Fighting in the dark vs fighting in the day, etc.), but it's replaced by something much more shallow that could have been easily resolved.


I don't mind doing different things with established characters. Marvel isn't exactly true to the comics, but they still managed to make their cast likable and appealing. DC doesn't change too much with its leads (Luthor aside), but that only makes the few big alterations more glaring. The film also tries to do too much in a short span of time in an obvious attempt to catch up with the competition, leaving the viewer disoriented from the confusing transitions and progression that just makes for a jarring experience. It just seems like a soulless cash-grab.


For all the bad, there was some cool stuff. It has the best depiction of Batman action in any live action movie, in my opinion. The choreography in the Dark Knight always seemed too stiff and awkward. Wonder Woman was also spectacular, but that's likely because she wasn't used very much and we weren't able to see how her character has been changed.

 

[Burberry Preserves]

@QuirkyAngel @Strawberry Preserves


Either of you planning something before White's penultimate post? I think I'm pretty much done and waiting to see how things conclude at this point, but just curious whether you two have something up your sleeves ;p

(Replies a day late and pretends like I didn't)


Not sure what Anpan would do next. I'm kinda waiting to see how things conclude as well. Whatever he might say would just end up pissing someone in the general vicinity off.


I don't have any twists hiding up my sleeves right now.

 

[Pequeno Burraidh]

Oh, I also feel like it's important to note that Scots would likely be voted the number one peoples for taking the law into their own hands if the governing systems refused to do so properly, but I think it's partly cos historically we've been stepped on before, and also because I think lots of the EU sees us all as backwards barbarians compared to them. Oh how times don't seem to change at all xD

 

[QuirkyAngel]

@Lucem Tenebris[/URL]


Oh yeah. Arrow has gotten a little...yeah. The longer things go on, the...weirder they get. With TV shows I mean. Like they run out of the good stuff and things start making you go, "huh?"

I'll do my best.

 

[White Masquerade]

I will have your replies tomorrow. Good lord, you all got deep.

 

[Pequeno Burraidh]

Huh, didn't expect an answer so soon. Brexit wins.

 

[IG42]

[QUOTE="Veirrianna Valentine]Oh, I also feel like it's important to note that Scots would likely be voted the number one peoples for taking the law into their own hands if the governing systems refused to do so properly, but I think it's partly cos historically we've been stepped on before, and also because I think lots of the EU sees us all as backwards barbarians compared to them. Oh how times don't seem to change at all xD

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And yet Scotland apparently went for remain.


Also the pound has promptly fallen to it's lowest level against the dollar in just over 30 years.

 

[Pequeno Burraidh]

And yet Scotland apparently went for remain.
Also the pound has promptly fallen to it's lowest level against the dollar in just over 30 years.

Yes, though Scotland hasn't had many issues with some of the primary complaints listed below.


Ah well, what's done is done, best we look forward to the future and do our best to proceed on forward.

 

[Burberry Preserves]

Sometimes no action is the best action.
At least Anpan isn't trying to bribe Jinan with babies


I'll do my best.

Don't tempt me, Quirky. >

 

[izayoiix]

@White Masquerade


I love it already. I do like how it's darker than some of the other shows. In a way, it kinda seems more real to me? If that makes sense. Like people being wronged in the way they are seems a bit more real to me I guess.


@clarinetti


Eventually you should watch it! Especially if you like some of the more darker themed shows. Jessica Jones can get that way in regards to morals and someone taking away your ability to choose what you do. I really liked it

 

[White Masquerade]

OKay give me like 45 minutes. I'm going to out-philosophy all of you who gave me answers

 

[IG42]

[QUOTE="White Masquerade]OKay give me like 45 minutes. I'm going to out-philosophy all of you who gave me answers

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What was the question?

 

[GasMaskie]

The EU starting to crumble has been an inevitability for a while. The Brexit vote result doesn't surprise me in the slightest.

 

[White Masquerade]

What was the question?

No no. I got responses to the talk about DC movies. I'm not really going to out-philosophy anyone. Keep your breeches on, Brit (>u>)

The EU starting to crumble has been an inevitability for a while. The Brexit vote result doesn't surprise me in the slightest.

Look at you mister Political Science. What else are you hiding?

 

[White Masquerade]

@clarinetti


Yeah. I don't get what made the Batman trilogy so popular. =/. Can someone clarify? Bale was a very weird Batman. He was an excellent Bruce, but a very awkward Batman. The voice, demeanor, and mannerisms. It was a shock. Heath as the Joker had to be one of the best portrayals of a character I have ever seen. That's the kind of performance I was expecting out of anyone who dare played Batman =P.


Yeah you're right, DC/Marvel do have a rivalry going on and Marvel has had some more time to do things. To Lucem's point, Marvel just has better decision-making/directing/whatever you want to call it. Ironman really felt like Ironman. Superman felt like...a fake Superman. Both the old Superman and the new one they started with Man of Steel. As my favorite Superhero, his while Cineman experience has been very disappointing. His character wasn't built to be like Batman you know? Trying to make him into that is (BP).


I dunno. Maybe the staff at DC needs to start RPing some fandoms to brush up their world-following skills xD . Smallville was a perfect story about Superman. I look at the stuff they put out in movies like..."whaaaat? Why?"


@Lucem Tenebris


=P That's another criticism of Snyder too. He is bar none when it comes to epic scenes and charged sequences, but when it comes to the finer details of things, he really falls off. I know exactly what you mean by how Batman was changed, and you don't want to question it, but you really have to ask, "Did you honestly research that character before you made this?" It was a shock to say the least.


Mm. You have to get in the movie business and fix things Lucem.




About the EU issue...I have no opinion (o'v'o)

 

[Lucem]

[QUOTE="White Masquerade]=P That's another criticism of Snyder too. He is bar none when it comes to epic scenes and charged sequences, but when it comes to the finer details of things, he really falls off. I know exactly what you mean by how Batman was changed, and you don't want to question it, but you really have to ask, "Did you honestly research that character before you made this?" It was a shock to say the least.
Mm. You have to get in the movie business and fix things Lucem.

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There's a long-running joke that Snyder's comic research was just skimming the pages of The Dark Knight Returns and looking at all the cool action scenes. That version of Batman does use a few guns taken from criminals, but that's mostly due to being old after a decade of retirement, unlike other elder versions that have continued working. There's just not any sufficient reason for the BvS version of him to suddenly use them like crazy and be cool with the same kind of violence that took away his parents (the exact reason he became Batman in the first place ). What happens to him at the end of the comic is also the same thing as Superman in the movie, but with an actual explanation and proper forethought.


As for why the Nolan's trilogy was so popular, I think it may have been due to Ledger's acting and finally receiving a good Batman movie with an overall appropriate tone. I didn't hate the movies, but I wasn't exactly a fan. Like you said, Bale was a good Wayne, but seemed a bit awkward after putting on the suit. It's the same problem as the recent Spider-Man appearances in film. Great Spideys, but lackluster Peter Parkers (I have some hope for the new guy). There's also what they did to Bane, serving as their version of Luthor with big changes. While Ledger wasn't completely loyal to the comic with his role as the Joker, the performance was absolutely stellar.


I'm hoping further films like the Suicide Squad and Affleck's personally written Batman movie will make DC seem more appealing, since the negative reception will hurt their chances of establishing a franchise. The aforementioned movies have different directors, so I think there's a chance to get something good. A lot of people are reacting negatively to the new Joker, but I think there's potential. Leto has been putting a lot of work into the role with his method acting and the new version takes a lot of inspiration from several different Joker appearances, such as End Game.


Hopefully the cinematic universe will eventually get to be at the same level as the animated films or, at the very least, the TV universe on CW.