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Yanno, I just want to state for the record, 'Escalation Soon', fights a going to happen in game they are being set up.
 
Uh that is how you prove yourself. You don't need a tournament which will just be bloated, force people to sideline stuff. Plus honestly, Chunin Arc was never really about the tournament itself, figured it more about set dressing as established by the Forest and Ninja SATs for powers the gang has to use against the Ninja Terrorist Plot by Sand Ninjas. If you want Tournaments, son let me direct you to Yu Yu Hakusho. Tournaments mattered there.
 
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You don't seem to understand Scion Scion It's not really about proving himself. That is a part of it, but more than anything my guy wants to show off infront of an adoring crowd. Besides that, regardless of how relevant the tournament was to the actual arc. It was still a big part of what made the arc great, and it's a part of the Naruto verse. I just feel like it's a missed opportunity. I'd enjoy a little battle royal tournament. It's a chance to have rivalries and friendships forged through battle/competition, as well as showing growth to a degree. But it's fine, I guess my guy can do his best to show off his abilities some other way. Also a arc involving a tournament wouldn't even need to be about the tournament we could have some underlining plot or something else going on. *Shrug* I also don't think it would necessarily put anything on hold if timed right. Oh, and I've seen Yu, Yu Hakusho, and I won't say the did tournaments any better than Naruto. But they did focus on them more, making them basically what the plot was about
 
Solemn Jester Solemn Jester - And an adoring crowd couldn't be say, country-men he is saving? And rivalries/friendships can't be forged via competition on other missions where everyone can do things and not just strictly those who made it to a winning circle who can't really do anything apart from watch when they lose in said tournament? You got boatloads of other stuff and opportunities to do cool things mate.
 
Well, since people mentioned the holdover from the prior game stuff and whatnot, I feel I made pretty good points against the tournament idea when it came up in prior PMs, so I'mma copypaste a bunch of that stuff. PVP can happen and be fine within a game's larger context, I'm not opposed to all conflict that'd be stupid, it's a wholesale dedication to PVP that's an issue IMO. Check the Colosseum's activity numbers if you don't believe me. A tournament is a structure centered around PVP where advancement of characters and plot is determined by the matches, the fight arc is centered around the fights after all, and this is a massively limiting scenario that heavily stifles player engagement.

Tournaments lock players into a cycle of posting with only one other player in one situation for extended periods of time, which can vary between matchups and throw pacing out of whack, and they skew things so players who aren't in the matches become reactive to the matches, essentially glorified bystanders unless the GM goes well out of his way to set up an alternative story for them. Whatever else the players do of their own volition can certainly be fun but that's in spite of the tournament rather than because of it, since they're ultimately not taking part of its central narrative, you are making people have to go off to make their own fun rather than create situations that engage everyone.

Tournaments are a staple of shonen but so are more general quest scenarios, what would Dragon Ball have been without the Red Ribbon saga? Other forms of adventures/storylines/activities allow for wider, more diverse approaches, locales and situations, letting everyone participate without only being a series of essentially thoroughly meaningless 1v1 scenarios with NPCs which are meant to lose so players can fight in the next round. Assuming competent GMing, these other scenarios can of course include fighting and still have ample freedom for people to choose their character's actions and impact the situation/game world through them. That's called player agency, it's pretty dang important.
 
Scion said:
Solemn Jester Solemn Jester - And an adoring crowd couldn't be say, country-men he is saving? And rivalries/friendships can't be forged via competition on other missions where everyone can do things and not just strictly those who made it to a winning circle who can't really do anything apart from watch when they lose in said tournament? You got boatloads of other stuff and opportunities to do cool things mate.
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Again we return to others not being able to do anything. Just because they aren't in the tournament doesn't mean they have to sit around watching. There could be some plot going on outside of the exams. Also, honestly he could, but it doesn't feel the same without all the ladies cheering him one. Lol, it's whatever. At this point I'm not really bothered to not have the exams. Just saying I was kind of disappointed that one won't occur. But it's alright, I'll have Zee show of some other time. Maybe he'll brag alot
 
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Well, since people mentioned the holdover from the prior game stuff and whatnot, I feel I made pretty good points against the tournament idea when it came up in prior PMs, so I'mma copypaste a bunch of that stuff. PVP can happen and be fine within a game's larger context, I'm not opposed to all conflict that'd be stupid, it's a wholesale dedication to PVP that's an issue IMO. Check the Colosseum's activity numbers if you don't believe me. A tournament is a structure centered around PVP where advancement of characters and plot is determined by the matches, the fight arc is centered around the fights after all, and this is a massively limiting scenario that heavily stifles player engagement.

Tournaments lock players into a cycle of posting with only one other player in one situation for extended periods of time, which can vary between matchups and throw pacing out of whack, and they skew things so players who aren't in the matches become reactive to the matches, essentially glorified bystanders unless the GM goes well out of his way to set up an alternative story for them. Whatever else the players do of their own volition can certainly be fun but that's in spite of the tournament rather than because of it, since they're ultimately not taking part of its central narrative, you are making people have to go off to make their own fun rather than create situations that engage everyone.

Tournaments are a staple of shonen but so are more general quest scenarios, what would Dragon Ball have been without the Red Ribbon saga? Other forms of adventures/storylines/activities allow for wider, more diverse approaches, locales and situations, letting everyone participate without only being a series of essentially thoroughly meaningless 1v1 scenarios with NPCs which are meant to lose so players can fight in the next round. Assuming competent GMing, these other scenarios can of course include fighting and still have ample freedom for people to choose their character's actions and impact the situation/game world through them. That's called player agency, it's pretty dang important.
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Only thing I really have to say about this is not all tournaments are the same. Naruto wasn't just 1x1 the entire time. They had a test portion, and even had the whole forest of death test. Which was more or less squads battling for their scrolls/ trying to survive. It was after that they ended up doing 1x1 which at that point I'd imagine several teams would be knocked out. As for just leaving them to their own devices idk. I feel a plot just a relevant, or even intertwined with the exams could be made for those who don't last in the exams. As for glorified spectators...yeah that's a given. Unless you have all the fights at once, or have then interact with each other while someone is fighting you're going to end up with spectators. It really can be troublesome. I will not lie, but I've known rps to pull it off. Idk how, but they did lol. Anyway. I guess enough on this topic. Everyone seem adamant on sticking to no exams. Although I will ask how would you go about ranking up in this?
 
If I don't have money for a phone bill why would I have money for a internet bill? I have a laptop, but it's a POS. Also, NVM, I can get the money. Woo thank God my dad saved some money
 
Iunno who the npc countrymen would cheer for, I'd assume they'd cheer for everyone. All I can attest to is that yeah, Kotone ain't really a cheering type. Providing a formal well wishing is more up her alley.
 
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Iunno who the npc countrymen would cheer for, I'd assume they'd cheer for everyone. All I can attest to is that yeah, Kotone ain't really a cheering type. Providing a formal well wishing is more up her alley.
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I'd hope the NPCs would have favorites, or more discerning taste. Although saying that I'd imagine Zee would get routed against alot because his family's from the land of lightning. Lol but still it's always more fun when you make em love you
 
I wasn't opposed to exams, by the by, just the tournament format in general. The Forest of Death wasn't a tournament format, it was a team survival/battle royale setup that'd be much better for freeform flow, but the eventual lead into the martial arts tournament that people can't seem to move away from is a bit...it's not the best move in these games. You don't have to retread the series' steps to the letter, y'know.
 
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I wasn't opposed to exams, by the by, just the tournament format in general. The Forest of Death wasn't a tournament format, it was a team survival/battle royale setup that'd be much better for freeform flow, but the eventual lead into the martial arts tournament that people can't seem to move away from is a bit...it's not the best move in these games. You don't have to retread the series' steps to the letter, y'know.
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True enough, the exams always seemed to consist of different challenges. Which I don't really care about 1x1 battles either. But a exam would be fun. Only thing being while we could get away with not having a pvp 1x1 it seems to be the only constant thing in the exams
 
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Really the big reason why chunin exams were skipped was that the RP this one was born from skipped it and I didn't want to make people change too much stuff.
 
Zerohex Zerohex It would so funny if Ruka did all of that only for Kotori to hit the monster in the head with a jutsu before Ruka could even do anything
 
I mean all he's really done is step forward and get rid of a hoodie. The stance bit can be written long because there's actually a lot of little things that go into different stances, but it's really just taking your favored position and anyone with some training does this in less than a second.
 
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