Homosexuality in exalted.

It does (for the Realm, at least); however, given the Breeding rules as written, arranged marriages for purposes of combining various bloodlines to ensure quality offspring don't make as much sense.


 But then, not too many people would want an Exalted game to start revolving around genetics, whether Mendelian or non-Mendelian...
 
Kyrn said:
The accepted nature of homosexuality in Exalted is not what I find most striking about Exalted's take on sexuality.  It's the other, weirder shit.  Like the rampant incest and bestiality, the implications for hentacle action, making love to a tea pot because you broke a tea cup and need a complete set for the party on Tuesday.  It's a little weird, and I fail to see how incest could be so accepted.  I realize this is partially imparted by the societal conditioning of our civilization, and that in other societies incest was accepted.  But those societies were dirty and wrong and so rightfully fell beneath the boot of the Christian white man.  
But seriously, has any incest practicing culture achieved lengthy prosperity?  Are there even any where it was widespread and not confined to the nobility?


No real problems with the hentacles though.
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The Egyptians regularly practiced incest within their royal house, and their civilisation lasted for three thousand years...
 
Morninglight said:
The Egyptians regularly practiced incest within their royal house, and their civilisation lasted for three thousand years...
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There wasn't a continuous dynasty for 3,000 years however, so that doesn't mean much.


-S
 
Off the top of my head one of House patriarchs is schtucking his nephew, and has been doing so for the last hundred years.  And the idea of first cousins isn't particularly repugnant to me.  I was raised in Georgia where marriage between first cousins is legal.  (I believe Alabama and Delaware as well)  Hell, I've even got some damned attractive cousins.  It's parent/child/siblings thing that strikes me as out there.  


I actually had the Egyptian court in mind when I mentioned the royalty.  Brother/sister pairings existed for an extended period of time, but I'm not sure how long.  They did go through dynastic changes on fairly common basis.  Did the practice continue after the Greeks took over in the fourth century?


I recall that only cultural limitation on same-sex relationships, or extra-marital relationships of any kind for that matter, was that they in no way impede on the individual's duty to breed more exalts within wedlock for the glory of the Realm.
 
This was mentioned before and I didn't really get an an answer, but it says in the Big Furry Book (i.e. Lunars) that beastmen don't suffer any problems from incestuous reproduction. Maybe other magical beings don't need to worry about it either.


Just tossing that out into the flow of discussion.
 
It has just occured to me that we are all over looking a possibly salient point: There is no genetics in Exalted.


Children still inherit traits from their parents, sure. But they could also enherit traits from the stream they were born next to, or the war that ravaged their villiage.


And, more importantly, there's no possibility of 'genetic defects' coming from mating to close to your own bloodline - This could still happen, of course. But wouldn't it be interesting if the lack of incest taboos comes from this *not* happening?
 
But in my eyes, the horror of incest is in taking sexual advantage over a creature that you have raised, or at the very least been so close to during its formative years.  Even if there were zero chances of a flipper baby resulting, the idea of a father sleeping with his daughter is still morally repugnant.
 
But would you fuck your mom?  Deposit your seed in her womb and get yourself a daughter/sister to have your with?  Cause that's what a true sicko would do.


You slacker.
 
Dude.  You talked about his Moms.  Yo, that shit be whacked*...


*All in the spirit of egging Lotus on.  Let's face it, when you get the fella started, he's a lot more fun that a bowl of frosted Farina...
 
you know what in response to what Jakk just said i thnk for like 3 days i might embrace my highschool cool, quiet, and intellegent mystery boy persona. Just to spite you haha.
 
Lotus said:
you know what in response to what Jakk just said i thnk for like 3 days i might embrace my highschool cool, quiet, and intellegent mystery boy persona. Just to spite you haha.
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I'll believe that when I see it. I think if Lotus stayed quiet for three days, he'd explode all over his computer screen.
 
Van77Man said:
Lotus said:
you know what in response to what Jakk just said i thnk for like 3 days i might embrace my highschool cool, quiet, and intellegent mystery boy persona. Just to spite you haha.
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I'll believe that when I see it. I think if Lotus stayed quiet for three days, he'd explode all over his computer screen.
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one would only wish
 
wordman said:
Dig up any list of "the 1000 most influential people of the last millenium". Count how many of them were homosexual. It is almost always a larger percentage than "average". I'm sure there are some good, probably really interesting, explanations for this, but I don't know of anyone that's studied it.
The interesting question, to me anyway, is whether the explanation has to do with oppression and the mentality that results from it. Did, say, Michaelangelo or Alan Turing being socially required to conceal their homosexuality help drive their genius to finding expression (sort of an "I'll show them" mentality)? Or did it hinder their accomplishment? Or, did it have nothing to do with it at all?


If the answer is that oppression drives genius, then the implication for Exalted, without such oppression, is that homosexuals would be less likely to be the movers and shakers of the world, and thus not be featured in Exalted books.
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I'm not aware of any historical evidence that Michaelangelo was gay. Pride groups have a tendency to claim positive historic figures as their own rather liberally (look at how Cleopatra is a symbol of "black" feminine power), so until I see said evidence, I'm going to be skeptical.
 
They also have a tendency to turn questionable historical figures into "positive" ones for their own uses.


-S
 
I always thought Cleopatra was Greek?  


And I for one don't want to think about the frequency with which Lotus explodes all over his computer screen.  Yech.
 
Kyrn said:
I always thought Cleopatra was Greek?
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She was Egyptian, at least nominally. I'm not sure how much Greek (and others) the Egyptian royal bloodline had in it by her time.


-S
 
But does anyone know if the Greeks showed up, went, "Hey cool country.  I shall rule it and eat gyros!" and then married local Egyptian nobility for the next three hundred years or if they kept the marriages within the wealthy Greek families?
 
Several responses.


1)  All hail the glory that is wikipedia!  


2)  What the artifact rating of the wikipedia be in Exalted?


3)  They were definitely Greek, since they boinked their siblings, and definitely incestuous.


4)  What the hell did this result of generations of inbreeding look like?  The statue's kind of hot, but it may be a case of butterface.  Oh, there's a bust of her and a description.  "short, average build, hawk nose, and red-brown hair" Not exactly a woman to fight a war over.  


5)  Wow, there's a lot of debate over her race.  Almost as much as there used to be over the Empress' aspect.  


6)  The Ptolemaic dynasty is now being ganked for a Southern outcaste family.  Yoink.
 
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