orionstark1482
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if god blooded can learn sorcery then gods can to i assume. how do you determine what level of sorcery a god has access to? can Luna use adamant circle? can Ahlat? does anyone know the breakdown on that?
Gods and Sorcery
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BinaryMoses
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My personal perspective would be that Sorcery is a part of humanity's unique talents for manipulating essence. Gods can do a lot of things, but they're hampered by their natures and by the limitations placed on them by the primordials. Humans, and by that I mean Exalts and god-blooded, have something special about them that makes them different from gods. The way I see it, it's a little like free will, and that they were the ones that were able to slay the primordials, they're also the ones who can wield essence in such a flexible way. Looking over the Savant and Sorcerer book, at one point they refer to sorcery as "tampering" with the essence of Creation. That strikes me as the sole right of humanity, who aren't bound into the Primordial's rules of Creation. The only other reference that I found useful was the discussion of the Dragon King's ability to use sorcery, but only Terrestrial.
"Although Celestial and Solar Circle Sorcery
are the sole purview of the Celestial Exalted, many
Essence users, including the Dragon Kings, can
learn to use Terrestrial Circle Sorcery.
Hmmm....Essence Users. And what about Deathlords, since they seem able to at least use Celestial circle Sorcery? This is a better question than I first thought. Will ponder this further...wonder how this dovetails with the theory on the boards that sorcery was a gift from the Yozis. That would seem to make it pretty well hands off for most gods.
"Although Celestial and Solar Circle Sorcery
are the sole purview of the Celestial Exalted, many
Essence users, including the Dragon Kings, can
learn to use Terrestrial Circle Sorcery.
Hmmm....Essence Users. And what about Deathlords, since they seem able to at least use Celestial circle Sorcery? This is a better question than I first thought. Will ponder this further...wonder how this dovetails with the theory on the boards that sorcery was a gift from the Yozis. That would seem to make it pretty well hands off for most gods.
Quchu
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I was under a solid impression that gods are not allowed to use sorcery, due to the fact that they were "dirty Yozi tricks." If what is written in E:tAu is correct, I believe Primordials would have forbidden gods from using sorcery...
Though, the thing is, since there is a god for everything in Creation, would there be a God of Sorcery? Would s/he/it have access to Sorcery? The answer would be no, I believe, but it would be as silly as the God of Written Language being illiterate.
Though, the thing is, since there is a god for everything in Creation, would there be a God of Sorcery? Would s/he/it have access to Sorcery? The answer would be no, I believe, but it would be as silly as the God of Written Language being illiterate.
Gods can use sorcerey. Actually all gods in the 2ed corebook do.
The god of the imperial city is a quite accomplished sorceror of the celestial circle.
Generally I'd say most gods have access to the terrestrial circle only. gods of important cities and other deities on that level should get celestial. I'd reserve the solar circle for incarna just to give solars an edge over even the greatest gods running about in creation.
The god of the imperial city is a quite accomplished sorceror of the celestial circle.
Generally I'd say most gods have access to the terrestrial circle only. gods of important cities and other deities on that level should get celestial. I'd reserve the solar circle for incarna just to give solars an edge over even the greatest gods running about in creation.
Quchu
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Oh, I guess I can't laugh at the God of Sorcery anymore. >_>Safim said:
Silence In Daylight
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Use the Sorcery charm requirements as a barometer--no god or elemental with Essence 2 should be able to use sorcery, for instance. And while a minimum of Essence 4 is required for Sapphire Circle, using Safim's suggestion of Celestial Gods or more-powerful-than-usual Terrestrial Gods (Ahlat, for instance) as a guideline would not be a bad idea. The Celestial Censors would fall into this category.
 As for Adamant Circle, I can easily see a Greater Elemental Dragon or a principal lieutenant of one of the Incarnae (a head of a major Bureau, the Golden Lord, and so on) having access to it. But that's just me...
 As for Adamant Circle, I can easily see a Greater Elemental Dragon or a principal lieutenant of one of the Incarnae (a head of a major Bureau, the Golden Lord, and so on) having access to it. But that's just me...
Silence In Daylight
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Safim said:
Silence In Daylight
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Glad to oblige. I hereby declare those who claim that the Germans have no sense of humor to be out of their minds.
Obsidian Soul
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In 2ed, do the gods who can use sorcery also get access to the lower level of Necromancy (like the Celestial Exalted do)?
Jukashi
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I would assume Necromancy would require being able to, y'know, die.
Quchu
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Eh, a dumb question (Good thing this is a newbie board.)
Do/did ghosts get to use Necromancy?
Do/did ghosts get to use Necromancy?
Silence In Daylight
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Yes; nephwracks in 2nd Ed are specifically statted with Shadowlands Circle.
 Until further expansions come out, I'd suggest that any ghost of Essence 3 and above likely has access to Shadowlands, and Labyrinth requires Essence 4 with a good reason, and Essence 5 otherwise.
 Until further expansions come out, I'd suggest that any ghost of Essence 3 and above likely has access to Shadowlands, and Labyrinth requires Essence 4 with a good reason, and Essence 5 otherwise.
Jukashi
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Blimey, why does anyone stay alive?
Silence In Daylight
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Um...undead fur doesn't feel the same? Â :lol:
Jukashi
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...
/bite
/bite
Solfi
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Wouldn't having a God of Sorcery be redundant? Sort of like having a God of Gods?sssssz said:
Quchu
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The Metagod.
orionstark1482
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well if you need an excuse for not letting gods have necromancy try this one
(noncanon)
gods are immortal creatures. because are immortal they never have to be touched by the underworld. in order to do necromancy you have to channel the essence of death. which is entirely alien to them. where as exalts though powerful are still mortal and as a result can reach out and touch the death essence needed to use the power of the neverborn.
(noncanon)
gods are immortal creatures. because are immortal they never have to be touched by the underworld. in order to do necromancy you have to channel the essence of death. which is entirely alien to them. where as exalts though powerful are still mortal and as a result can reach out and touch the death essence needed to use the power of the neverborn.
Silence In Daylight
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Just realized the irony in something:
 While a God of necromancy may or may not exist, there is almost certainly  a God of necromancers...
 While a God of necromancy may or may not exist, there is almost certainly  a God of necromancers...
Quchu
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Finally! A god I can laugh at without risking disrespect of my form!