Elemental Dragons, where?

Jeppe

Jeppe

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Heya.


I'd like to know what book(s) explain the elemental dragons in detail. I've found no detailed info on them in any of the 2e books, and it bothers me, because I've picked up somewhere, that the elemental dragons are really DBs, they're something else. Also, which book describes the Immaculate Philosophy in most detail?
 
As far as I know, they're not really explained it detail anywhere.
 
The most that I've heard about them is that they are the lesser spirits of Gaia.  They are probably chilling out in Yu-Shan with mommy and the GoD.
 
No, they're not in Yu-Shan. I believe canonically, they are "asleep" (whatever that means) deep inside the Elemental Poles.
 
Probably checking for the best bargans on E-Bay
 
Your resident DB-expert here..


The original elemental dragons are the elementals that came after the original elementals. They are the most powerful elementals in Creation, and they are asleep under the elemental poles.


But then, there's the Immaculate Dragons, that are, according to legend, five dragon-blooded who emulated the Elemental Dragons so perfectly that they became perfect, immaculate and rose up to become aspects instead of dragon blooded. They did this during the usurpation.


The immaculate philosophy is best described in the 1st edition DB book combined with the five Aspect-books, together they form a pretty nice unity.
 
The Immaculate Philosophy will no doubt be described for 2nd edition in the Blessed Isle book about to be released.


~FC.
 
Zaramis said:
The original elemental dragons are the elementals that came after the original elementals.
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Could you explain that a bit more? To my memory. the original elementals were 5 beings created by the gods and destroyed by the Primordials. The Elemental Dragons are lower souls of Gaia, and not elementals at all.


If you disagree, please explain why.

Zaramis said:
But then, there's the Immaculate Dragons [...] They did this during the usurpation.
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They did?


I know the legends tell of the Immaculates defeating the Anathema, but I thought this was supposed to have been one in the same event with the Primordial War. I didn't think the Usurpation existed in the IO's quasi-history.
 
There's some aspect of confusion over this. My held belief on the subject was that there are 5 Elemental Dragons, who are probably Gaia's most powerful component souls.


Then, you have the 5 Elementals, which were not dragons (they are pictured, I think, on page 301 of the 2nd Ed. Main Book). They were created to service Creation by the gods. In the primordial war, they were shattered, and their essence reformed into multitudes of small elementals...


... and these elementals, as they become more powerful, take on a draconic shape, such as Fukharu, a Lesser Elemental Dragon of water who is a censor in the West, and the Kukla, who is a Greater Elemental Dragon of Earth. These dragons have nothing to do with the Five Elemental Dragons apart from their elemental theme.


The 5 Immaculate Dragons are the 5 paragons of Dragon-Blooded behaviour, probably created for the Immaculate Order's mythology by the Bronze Faction. They were depicted as being human embodiments of the Five Elemental Dragons, but probably weren't even actual living Dragon-Blooded, much less avatars of the actual 5EDs.
 
Yeah, me bad, Jukashi is right ^_^


And I know that the Immaculate Dragons dont exist, that's the entire concept of worshiping them, so the essence doesnt actually feed a god somewhere.. hehe. But, then the question to be asked.. if someone named themselves, for example, Pasiap, and emulated Pasiap enough.. would the prayers go to him? Probably not..
 
Gods can change their 'calling' from time to time, depending on the needs of the Celestial Bueaucacy.  So, with the right string pulling, a lesser god could get a promotion to having jurisdiction over a immaculate aspect.  Just like in 'Houses of the Bull God' the southern god of war and cattle started out as a seal mating god or something.
 
Zaramis said:
And I know that the Immaculate Dragons dont exist
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Do they not exist? Hmm. I'd say that they did exist. As component souls of a primordial I'd say that they are very real. The daemon princes of Malfeas are the component souls of the executed primordials, and they should be valid targets for prayers and the essence that follows, no?
 
Why can't there come a new god when someone is praying to her?


If gods can die, why can't they be 'born' too?


i can imagine that even though there is a lot of gods and stuff up there, and that they can move their field of care to better suit Creation, eventually one god will sit back with all the work because all the other are death.


So I’ll say, if someone starts to put a lot of prayers into a god that doesn't exist then she will come into existence.
 
Jeppe, you are mixing up the Immaculate Dragons and the Elemental Dragons. The immaculate dragons were the Dragon-Blooded individuals who emulated the ED's to perfection, but they are only myths in the immaculate texts, and never existed in history.
 
Zaramis said:
Jeppe, you are mixing up the Immaculate Dragons and the Elemental Dragons.
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Right. My bad.


However, I am right in assuming, that the Elemental Dragons are indeed celestial gods, right? To that end it is not inconcievable that they have someone maneouvred (that's a hard word for a Dane) themselves into a position where they recieve the prayers intended for the Immaculate Dragons. Of course, it isn't inconcievable that someone else has claimed that position, either.
 
Jeppe said:
However, I am right in assuming, that the Elemental Dragons are indeed celestial gods, right?
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No, they're not. They are commonly held to be Gaia's component souls, so although they're similar to Celestial gods, they're not actually the same. They're independantly sentient parts of a greater being, a primordial, something different, older than mere gods. They may be able to take prayer anyway, but they don't actually need prayer like gods do.
 
Jukashi said:
They are commonly held to be Gaia's component souls, so although they're similar to Celestial gods, they're not actually the same. They're independantly sentient parts of a greater being, a primordial, something different, older than mere gods.
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Doh. I knew this. Thanks for clarifying.
 
I'm still trying to figure out something.  If the Elemental Dragons are some of Gaia's component souls, what are the other two?  I think there are supposed to be seven component souls (like the seven chakras of a Primordial or something similar).


What would they be?


Acid?


Radiation?


Light?


Shadow?


Electricity?


Other ideas?
 
where does it say that? (That the Primordials had exactly seven component souls I mean)
 
Exalted doesn't have Chakras (it has virtue centres, like the Root of Valour), and five is the important number rather than seven. Are you sure about it?
 
IIRC, Third Circle demons have seven souls a peice, not Yozi.
 
oh.


'k


Though having Elemental Dragons of Radiation and Electricity might be cool.  Acid would probably fall under the purview of the Water Dragon.


The lost Dragon-Blooded lineages!


Dragon-Blooded of Electricity and Radiation...


Now someone else more obsessed with the DBs can do up the charms and crap.
 
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