Cytherea vs. Gaia

Lotus1

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which one of them is the maker of creation? or did they both make creation? i am sorta confused on this. Cus i hear that Gaia is earth, then i read that cytherea is also creation, and then i hear all the primordials made creation...
 
Cytherea, I beleive, is mentioned in ONE sentence, EVER. I think it was just the whim of a particular writer, and doesn't necessarily make sense, or mean anything interesting.


-S
 
Here's the thing - The infomation given about how creation was made, and by who, is basicly contradictory at this point.


Autochonians all but outright states that creation is Gaia's body just like Autochonia is Autochon's body. Games of Divinity gives a completely different story. I seem to remember the mountain folk section of Fairfolk hinting at something different again (although it's been a while since I last read that).


Now, this seems like a problem - The basic creation myth of creation doesn't make sense! But, I see it as a commentary on the nature of primordials - They don't exist, or act, in a simple linear fashion. Primordials can easily accomidate two completely contradictory states of affairs. A can be true, and Not A can be true - Primordials are just so far outside of normal human scope and causality that our puny minds can't get a grip on things.


Which is, of course, why the Primordial War was needed; Gods and Humans just couldn't live in a reality ruled that way.


This is, of course, a fanwank; the real story is that the writers didn't set these facts down at the begining of the setting, so here at the end of 1st ed things are fucked up. But, hey, if you can *use* the fucked upage, then use it.
 
...Or the other primordials, led by Cytheria, created a new primordial to be their playground: Gaia.


She doesn't like being played upon, but she has loyalty to her creators somewhat, so she asks that they be spared during the war.


Also a.. "fanwank"?
 
A 'fanwank' is an explaination fans come up with to explain away inconsistancies. The implication being, of course, that this is just masturbatory, and that the flaws in a work should be left alone.


I'm almost inordinately fond of the term, mainly because I so readily come up with such explainations myself.
 
Oh I imagined so. I just feel.. dirty.. saying it.


Just kidding. Not nearly that repressed. Just, "Fanwank?" whatever happened to "Retcon"? Or even: "House explainer-awayer"?


I don't think it's gonna hit common parlance any time soon.


I'm an elemental! Woo! Landscape travel to another thead.. whooooosh
 
A retcon and a fanwank are different things.


A retcon is when the author of a (usually) sequential work changes the meaning of past things by introducing new infomation. A fanwank is when fans of a work try to change the meaning of the work (usually to fix 'mistakes') by assuming the existance of infomation never shown.
 
Makes one think though, who Cytheria is, because I believe she was mentioned yet again in Blood and Salt when talking about hte Lintha and the Yozis (I may be wrong). But the way I see it? Just another plot device dropped by the White Wolf guys for us to go crazy with in our plots. Exalted is filled with'em. Cytheria is just a very large plot device. The Mother of Creation and all.  :roll:
 
Just to add fuel to the fire:


"At the moment of Creation, the word and will of the Primordials Gaia and Cytherea tore through the Wyld. Even as the motives of gods defy mortal reason, so did the Primordials built the world according to their infinitely


unknowable purpose."


-- Fair Folk, pg. 215
 
... it's supposed to be that way. Just like our history isn't as unambiguous as it might seem at first glance, all may not be what it seem in the Age of Sorrows. If it were not so, Creation would be a bit two-dimensional. Besides, it gives us that much more options to exploit.


Of course, they have the occasional (erhm...) faux pas in there as well. But you can't have everything...
 
my theory, Gaia is the yougest of the primordals, born from the creation of creation, Gaia is the first and greatst artfact but one that is sentient, after all who says one cant be a artfact and a primordal? and in auto they state that autos weakest soul is a match for a elemental dragon who are gaias lower souls soooo.... its a possablty
 
Some people might consider Luna to be more like a primordial than she is like a god, in which case she'd be the weakest and probably the youngest.
 
i dont think we will ever know what luna is, though if shes a primordal then what are her componet souls? i still like the idea of her being gaias Fitch...


if only for the sick sick humor involved in it
 
The idea of Luna being a primordial is that the moon is her main "body" (in the same way that Ligier is a green sun), and all the different aspects of her that appear to Lunars are her component souls. I don't really know much about primordials, though. My game store persists in having a puny collection of Exalted books.
 
doubt the lunars would be her componet souls, while it is one hell of a idea on were to hide em' the lunars are still shards that empower a ordnary mortal, their deaths dont bother her in the least, at least if you kill one of the componet souls of a Yotzi its a safe bet theyll notice


besides it keeps being stressed that Gaia is the only still living Primordal thats not bound in Malfease or in the void...


mabey Lunar is Gaia and Cytherea's love child
 
dont think of it as incest, think of it as either


A.) Extream masterbation if lunar is Gaias soul


or


B.) ...ok well ya it would be incest then if luna is gaias love child
 
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