Crown of Thunders question

[Gylthinel]

I'm a bit confused on how the social part of Crown of Thunders works.


1) It says that all social attacks become compulsions. What does that mean? My GM interprets that to mean that all social attacks become perfect (against mortals), is that the case?


2) It says the effects of the crown can be resisted by spending 2 WP. Does this mean mortals can spend 2 WP to ignore the crown? If they spend the 2 WP, can they then attack the wearer?

 

[HowlingCoyote]

I'm a bit confused on how the social part of Crown of Thunders works.
1) It says that all social attacks become compulsions. What does that mean? My GM interprets that to mean that all social attacks become perfect (against mortals), is that the case?

Not just mortals. If someone doesn't have a means of over-coming the effect, a Compulsion makes the person affected act as prescribed. Mortals, generally, have no way of by-passing Compulsion effects. See p. 179 of the Core, and 'Unnatural Mental Influence' for more details.

2) It says the effects of the crown can be resisted by spending 2 WP. Does this mean mortals can spend 2 WP to ignore the crown? If they spend the 2 WP, can they then attack the wearer?

No, 'other entities' may resist the Crown's effects. Mortals just do what they are told to do. 'Other entities' (ie: essence-users) get to compare their Dodge MDV to the 'social attack roll', and if that's not good enough to avoid the Compulsion effects, they can spend WP to overcome the Compulsion. Once that's done, there's nothing stopping them from attacking the wearer of the Crown. Mortals though, would just watch, or come to the defense of the wearer at but a word.


The description of the Crown clearly separates the effects on 'mortals' from 'other entities'. If just anyone were able to do resist the Crown, it would not be a 5-dot artifact.

 

[Plague of Hats]

2) It says the effects of the crown can be resisted by spending 2 WP. Does this mean mortals can spend 2 WP to ignore the crown? If they spend the 2 WP, can they then attack the wearer?

No, 'other entities' may resist the Crown's effects. Mortals just do what they are told to do. 'Other entities' (ie: essence-users) get to compare their Dodge MDV to the 'social attack roll', and if that's not good enough to avoid the Compulsion effects, they can spend WP to overcome the Compulsion. Once that's done, there's nothing stopping them from attacking the wearer of the Crown. Mortals though, would just watch, or come to the defense of the wearer at but a word.

The burden of effect description is on something trying to be irresistible. The default state of influence is not "cannot be resisted," it's "can be resisted for one Willpower."

The description of the Crown clearly separates the effects on 'mortals' from 'other entities'. If just anyone were able to do resist the Crown, it would not be a 5-dot artifact.

No, if it could give irresistible orders without incidental cost to any and all mortals for a scene, then it would be Artifact N/A. The artifact does not make the distinction you think it does.

 

[Persell]

Anyone can spend the 2 WP to resist the effects of the Crown, but only "other entities" can use their Dodge MDV as well. However the majority of mortals will just due as they are told unless it's something like "Kill your family." Either way it takes a total of 30 motes to get that ability so, meh (10 to attune, 10 for aura and another 10 for Compulsion).


Only reason it's a 5-dot is because it adds three to all your physical attributes, which is funny because it say the social powers are it's real power. :roll:

 

[Gylthinel]

Thanks for the assistance!