Charm activation in attack

[Persell]

Still' date=' it doesn't make sense to let the defender have up to 9 steps to make up his damn mind about how to react to an attack when the attacker has to declare and pay everything ahead...[/quote']Not all attack Charms are Step 1. This is why Soul-Cleaving Wound is actually kind of scary, and why such Charms are relatively rare.

And why Adamant Skin Technique (and its Mirror) is so awesome.

 

[cyl]

Still' date=' it doesn't make sense to let the defender have up to 9 steps to make up his damn mind about how to react to an attack when the attacker has to declare and pay everything ahead...[/quote']Not all attack Charms are Step 1. This is why Soul-Cleaving Wound is actually kind of scary, and why such Charms are relatively rare.

What's the point of having an Obvious keyword on a charm which use can be ultimately declared on step 10, at which point it can't be defended against ?!


Really I don't see the logic or the pertinence in this.


I'd have to find other examples but clearly if the system works the way you say it does, then this charm violates and defeats on its own the whole "defense always wins" theme for a hell of a cheap cost.

 

[rattleingpython]

cyl, Soul-Cleaving wound is Crippling. Unbreakable warrior mastery is activated in defence on step 10 to negate a crippling effect. It can be defended against. It just allows for the high cost on both charms to seem more reasonable.


Also there is no point to the obvious keyword anyway. All charms are declared to the defender/attacker so obvious is only obvious to onlookers.

 

[cyl]

How exactly is UWM a "defense" against SCW ?!


SCW can be applied to any attack the player wishes and its effect its declaration is a last second call + there is technically no way to fail an application of SCW... while UWM requires a roll with a diff = essence of the attacker... difference between the two ? +2 motes for SCW.


Plus you gotta have the only charm which can resist crippling effects to counter the last second backstabbing sneaky ninja charm effect... if not, well too bad !


This is just not logical... no wonder everyone uses perfect defenses... :roll:

 

[Kyeudo]

If the attack was successfully defended against back on one of the previous steps, nothing can happen in Step 9 or 10. The defense wins. If no defense was used, though, then the Charm can be activated and do its damage.


Further, as rattlingpython points out, there exists Charms specifically for dealing with effects that tack onto attacks, like poison, disease, and crippling. Such defenses usually have no restriction on when they can be activated, unlike your perfect defense.


If you don't like naunce in your system, deal with it. Me? I'll enjoy all the fun of Adamant Skin Technique protecting me when I get hit and not costing me when I don't.

 

[Plague of Hats]

Still' date=' it doesn't make sense to let the defender have up to 9 steps to make up his damn mind about how to react to an attack when the attacker has to declare and pay everything ahead...[/quote']Not all attack Charms are Step 1. This is why Soul-Cleaving Wound is actually kind of scary, and why such Charms are relatively rare.

What's the point of having an Obvious keyword on a charm which use can be ultimately declared on step 10, at which point it can't be defended against ?!

The Obvious keyword is largely a Storytelling device, just like a Combo display.

Really I don't see the logic or the pertinence in this.

Lots of people don't. Lots of people do. Your loud protestations are old and tired as far as I'm concerned. If you don't want it to work as the author intended, I'm not coming to stop you. I don't care.

I'd have to find other examples but clearly if the system works the way you say it does, then this charm violates and defeats on its own the whole "defense always wins" theme for a hell of a cheap cost.

"Defense always wins" is the mantra of direct Charm conflict, not a universal law that makes all defenses omni-applicable.

 

[cyl]

Lots of people don't. Lots of people do. Your loud protestations are old and tired as far as I'm concerned.

Judging by the date on the post... I bet they are, sorry for the annoyance :lol:

 

[Gylthinel]

Lots of people don't. Lots of people do. Your loud protestations are old and tired as far as I'm concerned. If you don't want it to work as the author intended' date=' I'm not coming to stop you. I don't care[/quote']Somebody's cranky.

 

[Plague of Hats]

Lots of people don't. Lots of people do. Your loud protestations are old and tired as far as I'm concerned. If you don't want it to work as the author intended' date=' I'm not coming to stop you. I don't care[/quote']Somebody's cranky.

Somebody's reading something that isn't there.