Opinion 2016 elections

[Omnimon]

With the upcoming elections coming up....... who would you vote for?


One thing's for sure, I don't think house of cards could top how the current election's being played out..... I don't think any show can at this point.....or rather any kind of fiction . The events and all that have occurred are so farfetched to the point where people would start wondering if.... they're living in a rp theme IRL ......


So with that being said.....who would you vote for  and ....maybe why ?

 

[Livia]

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[Elephantom]

Hmm...


First of all, they're both not particularly good. Trump is a blatant racist, with no previous political experience, and a sturdy confidence in his belief that regulating stricter immigration laws, and banning Muslims, will reduce terrorism. The latter, is something I particularly dislike Trump for; reasons obvious.


[SIZE= 12px]Hilary (see: Hilarious) Clinton, doesn't have much of a good vibe surrounding her, complicated by the fact that she has a lot of careless mistakes under her belt, signifying irresponsibility at its worst.[/SIZE]


[SIZE= 12px]So, who might I vote for, you say? Neither, or rather, the giant meteor. He's hella' cool.[/SIZE]

 

[Squirrel Man Huey]

To be honest, both are crap selections. There is proven history between the Trumps and the Clintons. I theorize, as well as many others, that they are working together to get Hilary in office, Trump was doing very well when Bill was in office.

I wish Bernie would have stayed on. *sadface*

 

[Omnimon]

I don't live in the states, but I would vote for Trump if I did. There is just too much negativity surrounding Hillary to be ignored just because she is a woman. I can't believe that some people are willing to base their decision entirely on the gender of the candidate. That is so irresponsible and childish.

Yeah i'd agree there ( with voting based on looks ) . Just voting for someone who " looks" a certain way or acts a certain way makes it little more then a popularity contest. If voting were only based just on popularity / looks ,then we'd see Drake /


Beyoncé running for the highest office in the land instead. But they aren't instead we're just stuck with Trump / Clinton .

 

[Omnimon]

Hmm...


First of all, they're both not particularly good. Trump is a blatant racist, with no previous political experience, and a sturdy confidence in his belief that regulating stricter immigration laws, and banning Muslims, will reduce terrorism. The latter, is something I particularly dislike Trump for; reasons obvious.


Hilary (see: Hilarious) Clinton, doesn't have much of a good vibe surrounding her, complicated by the fact that she has a lot of careless mistakes under her belt, signifying irresponsibility at its worst.


So, who might I vote for, you say? Neither, or rather, the giant meteor. He's hella' cool.

Yeah Giant meteor ftw ... At least it'll do one thing: Possibly unite everyone for once.... For a short time at least . Or maybe it'll just be chaos and insanity just before it hits...either or at least you'll see either the worst or the best in people..... Maybe then that question of " weather or not humanity's " good or evil would be settled once and for all... before its all over that is >.> .



Anyhow with respect to both candidates , both selections are fairly flawed  in their own respects. That I'll certainly agree with .



Trump has some fairly extreme views ( with respect to the US, not the world however )  .  Although his language can be construed as incendiary ( depending on the POV you take )  , his greatest appeal is perhaps ( as far as I can tell  after watching the general election speeches for the most part ) the fact that the system is wrong and it needs to be changed. ANY kind of change. ( This is similar to what Obama campaigned on although he's the ying to the yang that Trump is )  . It doesn't matter what kind of change so long as there's a message sent to the establishment .  That and the fact that his stance is VERY unique with regards to the republican party . ( He's anti-trade  , and wants to lock down the boarders , isolationist ,  which is the opposite of the mantra that the republican party had stood for, which would be neo-conservatism, think Bush Jr's policies of military interventionism  )  .  This stance appeals to the states / areas where manufacturing's been hit hard / and or outsourced. There's a reason why the latest surge ( although that seems to just be a surge not a permanent deal ) had occurred in states where Obama won . Most of the blue collar democrats ( who used to vote for Obama ) are switching over to republican because of the stance that HRC's taking ( which is neoliberalism which means more trade deals and when people hear about trade deals they only see that they're going to lose their jobs for the worse.  )  .  Granted, Trump wouldn't have been as popular if there were actual real steps to address the gaping holes torn in the fabric of the communities that have seen the 21st century pass them by , for the worse ( Trust me there is little or no help in trying to retrain from one sector to another  or the training is essentially worthless / job environment's still fairly poor ) . More or less this is just a visceral reaction if not a cry for help to say that those who have lost their jobs.... are unable to find any purchase in the new " 21st century" economy . If its not addressed ... I wouldn't be surprised if the likes of David Duke, Matt Koehl  and Rocky Suhayda  would be running in the 2020 elections . An even more far right reactionary  . If people think Trump's extreme wait until the 2020 elections where you'll have the ghosts of the past haunt the US again if this isn't addressed or swept under the rug and you'll have a very very energized angry public . Simply just calling an opponent misogynist and racist or any other label won't work when people are losing homes and can't put food on the table.



Clinton on the other hand, has major trust issues. For whatever reason she's running for the highest office in the land yet she's incredibly secretive about her actions, etc( which seems to be antithetical being the fact that you ARE a PUBLIC official )  . Trump usually would try to deflect from his weaknesses while HRC would just try to ignore said weaknesses ( which doesn't engender much trust in the public , including myself )  .  Her stance tries to appeal to the working classes ( aka the 15 dollar min wage , expanded childcare services  )  . Although the rest of her platform seems to only target specific  groups, and some might even point out that identity politics seems only benefit certain " groups"  . In some respects that is true , however  due to the trust issues she's had.... It'll be very very hard to win over the Bernie voters ( including myself ) . Not to say that Trump is any more trustworthy, however it would hurt a great deal to see Bernie's ideals being used to garner voters and then once power is obtained she'd just turn her back and go back to her neo-liberal ways.  Many blue collar democrats are turned off by the TPP ( yet another trade deal ) simply because it means that good paying jobs would be shipped overseas simply in the name of " efficient " economics , which unfortunately, the economic pie would be expanded would only benefit the very few who can take advantage of that.  She suffers major trust issues because of the fact after the primaries were she was declared the winner, through the hacks it was reveled that the DNC wasn't impartial towards every candidate on the field ( aka putting their thumb on the scale to help her win along with the media )  . Plus her latest actions with the FBI director calling her " careless" which contradicted what HRC had said days earlier that she would be fine and the latest issues with her health does not engender much trust to the public.   Yes her stances mirror that of Obama's policies ( hence more of the same / establishment ) , but a lot of people including myself think that its just another way to win over votes( due to the trust issues) , that once she'll be in office she'll forget all of that, and just more or less carry out the same policies of military interventionism ( something along the lines of Somalia type actions that her husband carried out, just in Syria instead which would be another quagmire of a war to step into )  , deregulation for wall street ( as if the 2007/2008 crash didn't occur )  and outsourcing via more trade deals ( TPP, TTIP , which would negatively impact communities that are already on life support)   .... Which safe to say is barely " better" then " neo-conservatism " .


2016's an interesting election , I'll give you that . You have the worst candidates from either party running . Like they say " Trump is fortunate that he's running against Hillary since he can't beat anyone else " while the same can be said likewise with Hillary .


So VOTE for giant meteor 2016  !   Make the world.....great again O.o .....

 

[Omnimon]

To be honest, both are crap selections. There is proven history between the Trumps and the Clintons. I theorize, as well as many others, that they are working together to get Hilary in office, Trump was doing very well when Bill was in office.

I wish Bernie would have stayed on. *sadface*

Bernie could have run as third party candidate however that would effectively hand the election over to Trump, although if he had stayed on to  the end of August , due to the email scandals and the FBI's crowning indictment of how careless HRC was... that might have made a difference, maybe... ...... Really the FTFP voting system ensures that there's only two viable alternatives unfortunately . But i'm sure you probably tired of the mantra being parroted by HRC voters who oddly use fear as a tool to try to goad Bernie supporters over to their camp.....And to think that fear tactics are still being used in 2016...... a throw back from the 1930's eh ?

 

[Squirrel Man Huey]

Quite @Omnimon. However, I believe there is only one example of the vote being split which was Lincoln's campaign. Though that was some time ago.

 

[Omnimon]

Quite @Omnimon. However, I believe there is only one example of the vote being split which was Lincoln's campaign. Though that was some time ago.

True enough heh. The only instance where I've seen a 3rd party candidate almost win was Theodore Roosevelt's campaign....... and that election is closer to Lincoln's time then to ours...... >.> .

 

[Squirrel Man Huey]

That it is, though Teddy was a very popular guy, except within the Republican party. Bull-Moose all the way!

 

[Omnimon]

That it is, though Teddy was a very popular guy, except within the Republican party. Bull-Moose all the way!

heh yeah ....Its interesting seeing the past.... I'm guessing most would take anyone from the past, even those that lost versus today's candidates ..>.> ...


With that being said... despite the fact that I won't vote for neither. With the way Trump's changed his messaging ( the past few speeches) , if keeps this up he'll win in November . He's basically painting Hillary as someone who will sell out to the elite as soon as she's in office and has been on message ( the past few speeches at least ) about NAFTA and now the TPP . He's even gaining support amongst minority voters ( something unheard of so far in this campaign cycle ) . TBH Trump isn't intelligent however his speech RIGHT after ford announced that they were outsourcing ALL " small" car manufacturing to Mexico ... You really should see that speech ...Before Michigan was impossible to " flip" from democrat to Republican....now its looking more likely after that speech . Trump knows how to play the crowd really well and isn't dumb enough to let opportunities like the one Ford just gave him, pass on by.


That anti-trade message.... is unique since it cuts across all racial lines and some cases some economic classes ( low / low mid / mid ) type incomes . He's been hammering that the past few speeches now and its paying him dividends.... Might even see Michigan go red / Wisconsin ( in spite of scott walker's issues ) . If he gets one of those 2 states or even PA ( although Pa seems to be unlikely) he wins . If he assumes Bernie's message ( which looks like he's leaning towards that way at least some aspects economically ) and stays on message he'll win . Right now he's evolving and adapting which I have seen in the past few speeches as well as concentrating on converting working class democrats into newly minted republicans.


Clinton needs to do a better job at connecting instead of playing identity politics . Yes racism and xenophobia are real issues. But when it comes to social issues, they do little to alleviate the gaping holes in communities that are ravaged after companies like ford, ibm, etc pull out and outsource thousands of jobs to mexico / India, etc. When you don't have a job , or your replacing your decent paying job with a part time job that only pays min wage, your going to stop caring about racism , xenophobia or any of the social issues. You can always ref to Maslow's hierarchy of needs. No job ( or a poor paying part time job ) means that your first two BASIC needs aren't met at all....Trump's message appeals to that base. While Clinton's message appeals to the top two aspects of the pyramid. You can't achieve Self-actualization if your starving and your stressed out constantly having to worry if your able to pay for the next " event" that might occur , a surprise expense , car breaks down, or worse off doctor/ hospital bills ( No the ACA has not addressed this much if any at all ) .


What HRC needs to do to win is to take Bernie's anti-trade stance and more so provide a solution that actually solves the economic issues that unfortunately Obama hasn't really addressed ( RELEVANT retraining , UE support , and most of all a path way to gain a decent job that's relevant to the 21st century ) .


Clinton's last few speeches.... although she speaks of 12 dollar min wage and better childcare her last 2 speeches were directed at painting that she is " not " Trump and that he's a racist xenophobic individual ( Identity politics and labeling that panders to the crowd instead of a message that cuts across racial lines and economic status) . If she doesn't address her stance on trade and globalization as well as the trust issues she'll lose . As it is she's barely ahead , and Trump has momentum on his side.

 

[Life.]

The only issue I have concerning the elections and really anything with politics is that we only receive part of the whole image. Sadly the media is truly the easiest connection for citizens and the running of the elections. Sure there's debates and events in which the candidates can participate in but where can I see when these candidates are mostly being true to policies that they are wanting to implement. And I can tell you now that the media is a major portal for me considering I have not had access to television news for about three weeks and I have no clue as to what has been said and what is occurring. But it's probably still continuing the same pattern of the candidates bashing one another as it has always been in the past, but with this generation social media has been a key role in it. 


It is understandable that social media helps for the younger generations to start noticing politics yet most of us probably don't understand what we're saying. Politics is truly a tricky subject considering you might say Oh this policy should be efficient! But would that individual have the valid information of factors that could affect that policy and factors that the policy might affect. That's why whenever someone asks me who I might vote for it'll have to be no one at this point. What's been said and what might happen frighten me for America's future. 


(If anyone happens to know a wonderful source for me to read up on the latest politics please let me know. I'd be happy knowing what's going on.)

 

[Omnimon]

The only issue I have concerning the elections and really anything with politics is that we only receive part of the whole image. Sadly the media is truly the easiest connection for citizens and the running of the elections. Sure there's debates and events in which the candidates can participate in but where can I see when these candidates are mostly being true to policies that they are wanting to implement. And I can tell you now that the media is a major portal for me considering I have not had access to television news for about three weeks and I have no clue as to what has been said and what is occurring. But it's probably still continuing the same pattern of the candidates bashing one another as it has always been in the past, but with this generation social media has been a key role in it. 


It is understandable that social media helps for the younger generations to start noticing politics yet most of us probably don't understand what we're saying. Politics is truly a tricky subject considering you might say Oh this policy should be efficient! But would that individual have the valid information of factors that could affect that policy and factors that the policy might affect. That's why whenever someone asks me who I might vote for it'll have to be no one at this point. What's been said and what might happen frighten me for America's future. 


(If anyone happens to know a wonderful source for me to read up on the latest politics please let me know. I'd be happy knowing what's going on.)

Yeah , I agree with your point , due to how the media works ( short term profits , means you need more clickbait type articles or drama more or less )  its fast becoming apparent that the 4th estate that its often called is become obsolete in the 21st century oddly...... With how the 4th estate ( or rather collapsing faith in the news / media )  seems to continue1


Your better off turning towards the actual source(s) for the news . Instead of relying on Seth Meyers ,John Oliver , Morning Joe , Hannity , Bill O'Riley even TYT / Infowars  to deliver yet again more click bait news with regards to the election ( they focus more on the drama instead of the actual positions sadly ) .


This will take time, but listening to the actual source will open your eyes as to what and where the candidates stand for :


This is a youtube channel of EVERY SPEECH made thus far in the general election by the candidates , not so much their surrogates however ( although there are some in there as well )  :


https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCYE8GO8URXHt3eLkqeo3uSw 


A more biased view , yet one that would help you understand the candidate's positions would be :


For Donald Trump :


https://www.donaldjtrump.com/


For Hillary Clinton :


https://www.hillaryclinton.com/


Special mention(s) would go to :


Reuters - ( for now they haven't messed up ....too badly, just avoid the opinion pieces however ) 


http://www.reuters.com/


Personally, after tracking the election from last year I wouldn't trust any of the major news outlets as well as the  AP / NPR/ BBC/ PBS / NYTimes / Time / Newsweek / RT /Washington Post /. LA times, etc .  All of them in MULTIPLE ways or another ( be it the candidate i supported , or other candidates as well) have inaccurately reported just for " click bait"  .  Worst off is there are no " corrections" made for such errors.....used to be but not this election apparently .  I wouldn't trust any political / Comedy shows like Bill O'riley , Hannity  , Seth Meyers, John Oliver as well. They might be " slightly" more accurate then the major news networks, however your not getting the truth or the full picture.


Unfortunately, you need to take some time to listen to the candidate's speeches directly .  Get it directly from the source and nothing else and then make your judgement from there. I know I have... Giant meteor it is !  


1 http://www.gallup.com/poll/185927/americans-trust-media-remains-historical-low.aspx

 

[Lorsh]

 

[Omnimon]

 

[Lexx]

Erm.. yeah.. I would say trump is the best of both evils.. I still think bernie would have been the best.. but.. obviously.. corruption won.. at least people know or at least can smell that democracy is dead. But.. what do I know.. lol 

 

[Omnimon]

Erm.. yeah.. I would say trump is the best of both evils.. I still think bernie would have been the best.. but.. obviously.. corruption won.. at least people know or at least can smell that democracy is dead. But.. what do I know.. lol 

Yeah i'd agree that Bernie would have been the best.


Trump being the lesser of two evils, well its debatable, but if your arguing from an anti-trade viewpoint I could see that .  In particular with NAFTA ( and the upcoming TPP  ) trade deals.  Ditto with the corruption angle .... given how shady the Clinton Foundation has been.... that argument can be made . Its like that Wells Fargo CEO testifying a few days ago that as the Ceo, he downplayed the problem;then he minimized his ability to fire the executives who let it happen; he passed the buck to his company’s board — a board that, by the way, he leads. 1


Clinton Foundation reeks of that kind of....issue, similar to Wells Fargo ...... Plus  given the fact that there's ALOT of smoke..... The old Enron tactics of  " I didn't know what they were doing therefore i'm innocent even though I'm the leader" , type deal .....yeah people would be fed up with that .....passing the buck so as they say ....


1http://www.bostonglobe.com/opinion/2016/09/25/american-capitalism-lousy-lousy-week/2OfeLeuKvGvWy01nyZrW0N/story.html

 

[Archie]

Oh divine lord meteor, please cleanse this earth

 

[Omnimon]

Oh divine lord meteor, please cleanse this earth

I'm sure if you follow him here : https://twitter.com/votegiantmeteor  .


He can always use the extra sustenance   ....... I mean support O.o ........


MWGA  > MAGA ?  O.o ........

 

[Miracleist]

Yeah i'd agree that Bernie would have been the best.


Trump being the lesser of two evils, well its debatable, but if your arguing from an anti-trade viewpoint I could see that .  In particular with NAFTA ( and the upcoming TPP  ) trade deals.  Ditto with the corruption angle .... given how shady the Clinton Foundation has been.... that argument can be made . Its like that Wells Fargo CEO testifying a few days ago that as the Ceo, he downplayed the problem;then he minimized his ability to fire the executives who let it happen; he passed the buck to his company’s board — a board that, by the way, he leads. 1


Clinton Foundation reeks of that kind of....issue, similar to Wells Fargo ...... Plus  given the fact that there's ALOT of smoke..... The old Enron tactics of  " I didn't know what they were doing therefore i'm innocent even though I'm the leader" , type deal .....yeah people would be fed up with that .....passing the buck so as they say ....


1http://www.bostonglobe.com/opinion/2016/09/25/american-capitalism-lousy-lousy-week/2OfeLeuKvGvWy01nyZrW0N/story.html

Oh yeah, I think Bernie does resonate well with millennials. And perhaps not just in the US. If I were in the US, I'd have been one of them Bern-ed fellas. With Clinton and Trump, I'm not too sure. It's really sad when you have two candidates that you choose simply because the other one is worse. That said, I'm more inclined to side Clinton if it really came down to the wire - the whole lesser of two evils argument comes into play here too. If I were a US citizen, I'd sure as hell not want someone like Trump representing the US.


As a non-US person though. I'd like to see Trump win for the lulz. I'd hope he meets Duterte or something. Maybe trash-talk China. Generally, it'd be fun to see the world burn for a little while. I guess that's why my vote went to Lord Giant Meteor.


Would've preferred the true Lord and Savior Cthulu though.

 

[Omnimon]

Oh yeah, I think Bernie does resonate well with millennials. And perhaps not just in the US. If I were in the US, I'd have been one of them Bern-ed fellas. With Clinton and Trump, I'm not too sure. It's really sad when you have two candidates that you choose simply because the other one is worse. That said, I'm more inclined to side Clinton if it really came down to the wire - the whole lesser of two evils argument comes into play here too. If I were a US citizen, I'd sure as hell not want someone like Trump representing the US.


As a non-US person though. I'd like to see Trump win for the lulz. I'd hope he meets Duterte or something. Maybe trash-talk China. Generally, it'd be fun to see the world burn for a little while. I guess that's why my vote went to Lord Giant Meteor.


Would've preferred the true Lord and Savior Cthulu though.

Yeah Trump would be similar to Duterte . With that being said the election really is coming down to what your pov is . If you've been hit hard due to the outsourcing and trade deals Trump's message is going to resonate with you( which is not unreasonable given that your basically left for dead in terms of trying to obtain another job due to the lack of any real meaningful support). If your lucky enough to have prepared by choosing the exact right path for your college degree and you have connections , Hiliary's position would resonate with you better then Trump's. 


That's why your seeing Trump winning over democrats , life long democrates because what remains of the labor left movement , more or less is gone. Outside of Bernie sanders , no one ( not Hillary or  O'Malley or Webb or Chafee ) actually represents what the old guard of the democrats were / are which would be to look out for the interests of labor.


All Hillary needs to do is take a stance against nafta and the  TPP admit that her husband was wrong in those aspects but she won't so this race is coming down to the wire. So long as Trump stays on message and hammers home the trade deals he'll win the election . Right now Trump has momentum on his side since he's already winning over those who have voted for Obama in the previous elections with the anti trade talk( just calling everyone who supports Trump racists and msygonists isn't any better then those on the right calling the left terrorist sympathizers without actually taking things into context )After last night's debates...... it'll be a fairly good barameter to see who wins or not . If Trump comes out on top it's because economic issues triumph over social issues . If Hillary is ahead then it'll mean that social issues have more weight then economic issues. 


Still though giant meteor ftw ! Best debater the world ..... has ever seen 0.0

 

[Miracleist]

Yeah Trump would be similar to Duterte . With that being said the election really is coming down to what your pov is . If you've been hit hard due to the outsourcing and trade deals Trump's message is going to resonate with you( which is not unreasonable given that your basically left for dead in terms of trying to obtain another job due to the lack of any real meaningful support). If your lucky enough to have prepared by choosing the exact right path for your college degree and you have connections , Hiliary's position would resonate with you better then Trump's. 


That's why your seeing Trump winning over democrats , life long democrates because what remains of the labor left movement , more or less is gone. Outside of Bernie sanders , no one ( not Hillary or  O'Malley or Webb or Chafee ) actually represents what the old guard of the democrats were / are which would be to look out for the interests of labor.


All Hillary needs to do is take a stance against nafta and the  TPP admit that her husband was wrong in those aspects but she won't so this race is coming down to the wire. So long as Trump stays on message and hammers home the trade deals he'll win the election . Right now Trump has momentum on his side since he's already winning over those who have voted for Obama in the previous elections with the anti trade talk( just calling everyone who supports Trump racists and msygonists isn't any better then those on the right calling the left terrorist sympathizers without actually taking things into context )After last night's debates...... it'll be a fairly good barameter to see who wins or not . If Trump comes out on top it's because economic issues triumph over social issues . If Hillary is ahead then it'll mean that social issues have more weight then economic issues. 


Still though giant meteor ftw ! Best debater the world ..... has ever seen 0.0

Heck yeah, Giant Meteor silences all voices of opposition... permanently. Also ends all wars and bad stuff and life as we know it 


But yeah, you're right. That's another layer of interestingness to add to the whole affair - seeing which issue stands out as more important after all. Whatever happens, it'll still be an entertaining ride. Now I can't wait for Kanye 2020

 

[Donder172]

Are we absolutely sure Obama can't have a third term...

 

[Strawberry Ink]

I wish Deez Nuts was still running. 

 

[Omnimon]

Heck yeah, Giant Meteor silences all voices of opposition... permanently. Also ends all wars and bad stuff and life as we know it 


But yeah, you're right. That's another layer of interestingness to add to the whole affair - seeing which issue stands out as more important after all. Whatever happens, it'll still be an entertaining ride. Now I can't wait for Kanye 2020

Yeah I'd give it a week or so to see if that's true or not.....Kanye 2020 eh ? Of course, who can deny that the brotherhood of the NOD doesn't exist eh ?   


Or... Giant Meteor .....time to hit the reset button O.o

Are we absolutely sure Obama can't have a third term...

I'm sure everyone's thinking about that given the current .....selections.....