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I think I'll agree on disagreeing with you whole haertedly. I do think that the siddies had a lot of potential, but it failed. I even disagree with most of your arguments, except for the bureaucrat bit. However I respect that you strive as I do to bring out the most enjoyment for the players...

I could not care less whether they are perfect or not. Thank you for the personal attack by the way, how civil. I find that the siddies discription does not fit the theme of the game. I think they are a bunch of overthought overdone misfits. The reason I like for the Solars to have the same...

THNX for the extensive list. The "Essence Sight" I mean is mentioned  in the Unseen Assasin Armour in 2E in BoSv1/WotLA I really don't know the proper abriviation. And in the outcast book 1E in the desciption of the Crimson Unseen Assasin's Armour. It might be a hearthstone effect or...

I  have two questins: 1) Where can I find the discription of "essence sight 1E" I would apreciate a page number or general area. 2)And does anyone have something of a released list on 2E books. Which books are there in 2nd ed. THNX

Wasn't it the case that a Lunar needed a lower essence then other Exalted to make a Beastman. And I thought that the conception had to take place in a wyldzone isn't that in the Lunar book.

You could do a premeptive disarm charm the heron strikes taking the opponents weapon away.

I ahree that the cham isn't over the top. The wind bit might be fun to do once, but I think you should not try to aply normal science to the world of exalted. I think that if you want to have an existing philosofy for creation I'd use the Naturalistic view of the ancient Greeks. Many of the...

Wordman those 2 sites were very nice. I won't start playing Fair Folk very soon, but I am going to try this Saturday when playing Vampire. I have a very experienced set of players who are all excellent storytellers in their own right and this is so unusual that I am sure they are going to...

The other point that has merit is what Solfi said:

But I think you should look at it more from the perspective of the ancient Greeks where the elements can transform into each other. This means that if you add heat (fire) to seawater (water) you get salt (earth). So the salt isn't salt untill it is dried. The greeks did not think in terms of...

Yes, but I think I agreed with this, I just do not believe that the teacher should be allknowing know-it-all. I think he should be a guiding inspirational figure to the student. Someone who inspires the student to find the anwsers he needs and seeks. Again I think I said something to the same...

I humbly appologise Ker'ion. The quote is indeed yours and I thank you for lightening the discussion, but I was under the impression that everyone reading the thread would know it is yours.

I also think you should forget aplying normal science to the world of exalted. This is not reality and nearly everything works in the way you percieve it instead acording to the physical laws. So seawater is just that seawater, not water with a sollution of NaCl, Na+ Cl- and NaI, I- in it.

I agree with you on the point of linking MA with enlightenment. Although this is done in many cultures all over the world. I still think that their focus should be on anything but MA. I think also that the arts of the siddies are no more removed than all the other MA styles. If this was what...

In a nutshell yes, but I like to practise my English and usually get quite worked up about the way the siddies are portrayed. This tends to make me somewhat long winded and if I have offended anyone I asure you this has been unintentional and was in no way personal.

I think by how easily the wool has been pulled over her eyes that her mental stats should be a lot lower. All in all I thin all her stats should be a lot lower. The only thing that will have developed well is her social skills since she must have had enough training for that.

In my oppinion it would since the salt in the ward has to be in material form and not desolved in water. It's salt water in the the sea not salt chrystals.So yes.

Sorry when I posted my last comment I hadn't noticed the new page and replied only to the end of the previous one.

I have read through the PG I I find it presumptious to sugest that I didn't. And as I said it isn't about the physical prowess of the art I think I threw that argument out with the bit: However I think that in every book the Siddies are portrayed as master puppateers who control the strands of...

Thank you for making my point.