Unconquered Sun and the Imaculate Faith

[Crow T Boy]

So, I'm still a bit o' a newbie and I've been flipping thru Games of Divinity and something strikes me as odd.  Does the Unconquered Sun give half a crap about the Immaculate Order and their world spanning (well, not totally, but it's the big religion) doctrine that the Elemental Dragons are the top of the food chain and all other gods are handled by the Immaculate Priests?  I know he's been kinda sulking playing the Games of Divinity (which is basically God Crack) and only now coming back, but there seems to be this *huge* discrepency between what mortals think is going on (mostly via the Immaculate Faith) and what actually goes on in Heaven.  Any enlightenment?

 

[Persell]

The UC is, as you say, on crack. I doubt he minds much that mortals have a hazy idea about heaven; Creation is, after all, the province of the Exalted, not of the Celestines.


Also, the Immaculate Order probably hasn't crimped his worship too much: although the cult of the Sun is outlawed, the Immaculate Order dedicates feast-days and so on to many celestial gods, the UC doubtless among them.


I imagine there's some hefty use of those special Sidereal prayers going on too, making some powerful incentive to keep his nose out of it: bribery.

 

[Seiraryu]

Not to mention that along with Sidereal bribery and some vaguely set up holidays and festivals, he gets a parcel of the general worship.  He's at the top of the pyramid, which means that a"parcel" is a lot.  Also, there's a whole bunch of cultures in Creation that consider the sun holy, whether as a god or not, and that, too, gives him power.


I doubt the change from Sun Worship to Dragon Worship has cramped him enough for him to be worried about losing any power.

 

[Jakk Bey]

And, the US is busy with the whole GoD thang. So long as he still gets his turn, and the Dragons aren't messing up his game, then what's to notice.


What is interesting is that the Immaculates haven't gotten the official backing of their supposed "patrons".  They are just as much AWOL which points to some hinkeyness in the Creation and the Heavens.

 

[Kajata]

And you've also got to remember that he takes a tax on all prayers sent to gods (as I remember), and there's also the share he gets from when the average mortal says "thank GOD!"

 

[Flagg]

and there's also the share he gets from when the average mortal says "thank GOD!"

Except that this wouldn't be a common phrase in Creation, what with it being massively polytheistic.


-S

 

[Forn Clakes]

and there's also the share he gets from when the average mortal says "thank GOD!"

Except that this wouldn't be a common phrase in Creation, what with it being massively polytheistic.


-S

I can imagine a phrase like this causing a breakdown in Yu-Shan as numerous gods each trying to take credit.  :lol:


~FC.

 

[riven5]

The Unconquered Sun doesn't give a good god damn what's going on in Creation.  Why should he?  He taxes the other gods and gets more than his fair share of Ambrosia outta the deal.  He doesn't bother with mortals...and so long as he keeps getting his sustenance, he won't.  Same goes for Luna and the 5 Maidens.  Gaia too, probably, though she may not require, or even want ambrosia or quintessence.


The Immaculate faith was a brutal check placed on the Gods of Creation.  Chejop Kejak saw that in the absence of the Solar Exalted, the most powerful denizens of Creation were the Gods, whether in Yu-Shan or not.  To keep Exalts in charge of Creation Kejak installed the Order, which effectively gave a shit ton of mortal worship to...nobody.  Plus the Sidereals can always call in a Wyld Hunt to bring especially irritating spirits down, or just have them censured...so all in all it's a good system.  That and the Order really helped spread the Empresses control.  So...everybody is happy!  Except for the spirits...but even they can gain power if they're careful and smart about it.

 

[Obsidian Soul]

My question is what are the five Terrestrial Dragons doing?  As far as I could tell from the sourcebooks, they aren't sniffing at the same crack that the Incarna are, so they should be a little more aware of what is happening.  Perhaps, if Gaia ever gets tired of Luna, she will send the Five Dragons on a rampage through Yu-Shan and take over the whole thing.  It's not like she isn't the most powerful thing in Creation right now.

 

[Jakk Bey]

Possibly just doing their jobs.  If you're the incarnation of fire, and there are fires a raging, you're pretty much doing what you're supposed to be doing.  If someone is tithing you a little Essence, and mouthing some prayers, great, but water falling and the winds blowing isn't going to just happen...it's got to be managed. Just because a some Mortals and Terrestrials have decided that you're the Be All and End All doesn't change their jobs much.


Oi! Got some earthquakes on the schedule. So much work to do, and so few Elementals to do it with.


--Tell me about it. This labor shortage is a pain in the ass. I think I spend more time cracking the damn whip over my crew, and filling out the damn paperwork to get some Sidereals to get off their Celestial asses and get my boys back on the job, than I do, actually making waves.


Tell me about it. Have you heard that the Terrestrials are starting to worship us?


--Yeah. And they're doing it wrong too. Wish I had time to set them straight, but with Yu-Shan all screwed up, and so many gods and spirits goldbricking, who's got time?  Damn. Looks like we've got another storm scheduled for the West. I don't know what the hell that damn Farakhu thinks he's doing, but that hurricane isn't going to just swell itself. Off to work with Air again...good luck with that earthquake. See you next tsunami.

 

[Guest]

That was funny I fell out of my chair I was laughing so hard

 

[Silence In Daylight]

Doesn't the Immaculate Faith consider actual worship of the Immaculate Dragons as heretical?


 In that case, who's getting the post-tax prayer?

 

[Flagg]

I believe it's mentioned somewhere that the Dragons are asleep.


-S

 

[Kajata]

Well, when I said thank God, I meant some mortal saying "Thank the heavens!" or some such equivilent phrase.  I don't really know whether the mortals would know the word Yu-Shan

 

[Seiraryu]

Well, when I said thank God, I meant some mortal saying "Thank the heavens!" or some such equivilent phrase.  I don't really know whether the mortals would know the word Yu-Shan

Possibly some more occult driven people would know the heaven is called Yu-Shan.  I don't think it's a secret, really, nmbut the Immaculate Faith probably cracks down on the name.  The only gods are the 5 Elemental Dragons in the Immaculate Faith... everything else is either a Dragon-blooded or a lowly spirit who serves them.


Boy... they're really fucking arrogant, aren't they?

 

[StarHawk]

Well, when I said thank God, I meant some mortal saying "Thank the heavens!" or some such equivilent phrase.  I don't really know whether the mortals would know the word Yu-Shan

no, but I bet thay would say something like "Thank the Gods" then the Sun would get some kick-back. Or "Thank the Celistines" or "Thank the Maker."


Some barbarians, especially those with lunar leaders worship Luna. So I know she'd get some decent kick-back. But I think she'd be happiest with her children getting worship.


I remember reading somewhere that the Sun only cares when his children get worshiped. Then he's not happy. Of course I don't know where I saw this, it might have just been something specific to my ST.

 

[Seiraryu]

The way I run worship for the Incarnae is simple:  all incarnae get top-of-the-pyramid kick-back.  That much is simple.  The Five Elemental Dragons get plenty of kick-back, especially since fire, air, water, earth, and wood are generally used for many prayers, and that grants them some claim on the quintessence.


Luna gets direct worship from barbarian tribes, but when a Lunar takes the Cult background, the Essence and Willpower she's getting is the total after the kick-back that Luna gets.


"Thank the stars!" = kick back for the Maidens.


The Sun doesn't need direct worship.  Everything is tied to him.  If the Sun wasn't at the top of the food chain Creation would become so bleak that ity would be useless to die, since the Underworld wouldn't be much of a change.  Besides, the amount of kick-back he receives is probably equivalent to the amount of worship that gods directly under him receive in total.  Add to that the significant amount of direct worship, plus any kick-back from some random folks who worship Solars... oh yeah.  Big Daddy Sun is right up there.