Futuristic The Deep Dark: A Space-Age, Galactic Freeroam RP

[Jarkov Malachai]

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They were never Anti Dredge. I wanted to make one but I felt it would be unfair and disrespectful to you

To be honest I was expecting it, but the fact you didn't both relieved me and rose my opinion of you.

 

[Spacekitty]

[QUOTE="Jarkov Malachai]To be honest I was expecting it, but the fact you didn't both relieved me and rose my opinion of you.

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I have no desire to. They would be a species made to defeat yours, not a species that I have a true inspiration to create, like the Coit or the Liiku. Therefore I cannot make them as they will forever be a shallow creation.


Look at the Coit, I havent't even used them nor has their creation even begun. yet, they already are as deep and colorful as the Rovilans (ima drop then, they aren't as interesting to play as)

 

[Spacekitty]

[QUOTE="Jarkov Malachai]Ahh, see the man explains all and I in my ignorance have failed thee.
I've had people try and make anti-Dredge creations before and ive always found it funny. Some were pretty legit though, this one guy made up this whole faction dedicated to it and advanced technology and some cool spider like people to run it. Failed miserably in the end, all it took was one Dredge with the right Genome. He never suspected a thing. *nods sagely*


I was quite proud of that infiltration, set it up juuuust right with the Gm.

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See? THe Dredge are too flexible due to their genome. You MUST have a species AS FLEXIBLE in order to defeat them. Otherwise one will mutate in such a way to render your advantages useless.


Dravak is closest thing to an anti-dredge, as he is almost good enough to create creatures to fight each Dredge mutation. But he could never keep up with natural (or in this case un natural as dredge are man made) mutations/nature. Dravak may be a brilliant geneticist, but he does not compare to the Dredge's creator

 

[Spacekitty]

I have to read all that O.o Can someone post a tldr version for me? Jkjk it'll take me some time to get through all of it on my mobile
Ok, so I've read it and I think I more or less have an idea of what a dredge is.


@Bobisdead123 do you mind sending me the CS of a Liiku?

CS of Liiku:


They are called the "Quazurn D'u Liiku" which translates to "Creatures of Light" nut they simply call themselves "Liiku" (Light).


They came into existence some 4 billion years ago, in the form a small bipdel fox-like creature, They measured just over 3feet tall on average and weighed in at only 60 to 80 lbs. To make up for their small stature and therefore lack of strength that were incredibly agile and intelligent, allowing them to escape being hunted to extinction by the planets apex predators. Their top speed being 35mph and being able to turn on a dime helped them escape predators while their average IQ of 125 allowed them to outsmart them and invent tools relatively quickly, inventing basic tools and discover fire relatively quickly, only approx. 5 thousand years after their birth.


Within 50,000 years they came to dominate their environment completely, achieving technology on par with human technology in 2016 in a fourth of the time it took humanity to do the same. From there their technological growth increased exponentially, inventing their first FTL drivers 25,000 years later and Warp drives in another 15,000. And so on.


Sometime before the dinosaurs died they discovered a way to travel between dimensions. They discovered weird and strange dimensions where the laws of physics as we know them do not apply. They found a dimension they called "Killuki D'u Weasdin" or "Realm of the Gods" where god like creatures controlled the entire universe. Believing in their technology (for they thought they could subdue these creatures)these creatures to be the key to further advancement they started making the genetic changes needed for them to live in the dimension, as their bodies quickly shut down because of the strange way physics worked there.


1 million years ago they achieved their goal. The final transformation from the fox-like creatures they were before to non-physical beings was done by a Liiku geneticist named Dravak, who used information gained through studying the genome of many other species, including even the Dredge to make the transformations possible. They became what one would call "non physical brings". Yes, they still have bodies but they are merely vessels which they use to interact with the physical body. If they were to die their "soul" would live on unable to interact with the physical world until they found a new vessel, which of course had to uninhabited by a living soul. With this adaptation all save a few thousand migrated to the new dimension, shutting the portal behind them, never to be seen again.


Those who remained stayed for a variety of reasons, some did not believe their fellow's claims, others merely saw no point in leaving. Whatever the case the universe in inhabited by only a few thousand of these beings. They could be anyone, your garbage man or your president and you would never know.


But unlike the Ravens they are not an organization. They are separate and have no government. Some use their abilities and intelligence.to gain power but most are not capable of such a desire and mainly go through different roles in the life of "lower"" species with a vague interest.


Notes: While their bodies have been heavily changed, only a select few were granted with increased intelligence, most being left with their natural intelligence.


Dravak is primarily responsible for their adaptation but stayed behind for reasons only Jarky knows

 

[Jarkov Malachai]

See? THe Dredge are too flexible due to their genome. You MUST have a species AS FLEXIBLE in order to defeat them. Otherwise one will mutate in such a way to render your advantages useless.
Dravak is closest thing to an anti-dredge, as he is almost good enough to create creatures to fight each Dredge mutation. But he could never keep up with natural (or in this case un natural as dredge are man made) mutations/nature. Dravak may be a brilliant geneticist, but he does not compare to the Dredge's creator

... *in a soft whisper* That flexibility costs them their lives, their childrens lives, and so much more. Imagine being a creature who could love and yes, admittedly hate, as much as a Dredge does to loose those little precious creatures so often. Think mother's, human or otherwise are rabid when it comes to the protection of their children? Don't fuck with mamma Dredge. Cause not only will you unleash a power even satan cant stop or hold back, but the whole damn clan, even those at odds with the family will come from the darkness and hunt yo' ass down.


Tis one of the reasons that I for one think its just safer to hunt down full grown ferals. True they are harder to catch, but it is just one, you wont have the whole fucking clan after your.


If Momma ain't happy, ain't nobody happy. *nods sagely* be good to your mothers kids, cause even though she may piss you off, know that she will raise heaven and earth if need be to keep you safe.

 

[Spacekitty]

[QUOTE="Jarkov Malachai]... *in a soft whisper* That flexibility costs them their lives, their childrens lives, and so much more. Imagine being a creature who could love and yes, admittedly hate, as much as a Dredge does to loose those little precious creatures so often. Think mother's, human or otherwise are rabid when it comes to the protection of their children? Don't fuck with mamma Dredge. Cause not only will you unleash a power even satan cant stop or hold back, but the whole damn clan, even those at odds with the family will come from the darkness and hunt yo' ass down.
Tis one of the reasons that I for one think its just safer to hunt down full grown ferals. True they are harder to catch, but it is just one, you wont have the whole fucking clan after your.


If Momma ain't happy, ain't nobody happy. *nods sagely* be good to your mothers kids, cause even though she may piss you off, know that she will raise heaven and earth if need be to keep you safe.

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Yes but then they KILLED XANDREA (Dravaks lover) AND DISREGARDED THE BABY!


And all he did was have a couple Dredglings captured and killed in the name of science. He said sorry too

 

[Jarkov Malachai]

Yes but then they KILLED XANDREA (Dravaks lover) AND DISREGARDED THE BABY!
And all he did was have a couple Dredglings captured and killed in the name of science. He said sorry too

Xandrea? I thought it was Xaedra?


Eh, I like your's better, but on another matter you know what they say. Sometimes sorry. Just aint enough.

 

[Spacekitty]

[QUOTE="Jarkov Malachai]Xandrea? I thought it was Xaedra?
Eh, I like your's better, but on another matter you know what they say. Sometimes sorry. Just aint enough.

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yeah it was sarcastic "he even said sorry for murdering children and they still killed him. What monsters!"

 

[Spacekitty]

[QUOTE="Jarkov Malachai]Xandrea? I thought it was Xaedra?
Eh, I like your's better, but on another matter you know what they say. Sometimes sorry. Just aint enough.

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I honestly didn't remember the name

 

[Yesman]

So creature that can adapt to a dredge as quickly as a to be able to keep up with the dredge. What if I creat a race/monster like Doomsday from DC (the one who killed superman)

 

[Spacekitty]

So creature that can adapt to a dredge as quickly as a to be able to keep up with the dredge. What if I creat a race/monster like Doomsday from DC (the one who killed superman)

idk I don't know anything about Marvel/DC

 

[Yesman]

idk I don't know anything about Marvel/DC

Taken from the DC wiki:


Doomsday was created and evolved through cloning an infant and having it killed over and over again by one of the most dangerous species of the universe and in one of the harshest habitats in existence, prehistoric Krypton. As such, he returns to life every time he dies and becomes near invulnurable to what killed him before. His entire body is built as a defensive structure which continues to arm itself the more it is damaged.


So basically, although he can be killed, he will come back stronger

 

[Spacekitty]

Taken from the DC wiki:
Doomsday was created and evolved through cloning an infant and having it killed over and over again by one of the most dangerous species of the universe and in one of the harshest habitats in existence, prehistoric Krypton. As such, he returns to life every time he dies and becomes near invulnurable to what killed him before. His entire body is built as a defensive structure which continues to arm itself the more it is damaged.


So basically, although he can be killed, he will come back stronger

might work


but Dredge are damn strong

 

[Yesman]

might work
but Dredge are damn strong

Then whoever my make will just have to learn the hard way *dumb ways to die music*

 

[Jarkov Malachai]

Taken from the DC wiki:
Doomsday was created and evolved through cloning an infant and having it killed over and over again by one of the most dangerous species of the universe and in one of the harshest habitats in existence, prehistoric Krypton. As such, he returns to life every time he dies and becomes near invulnurable to what killed him before. His entire body is built as a defensive structure which continues to arm itself the more it is damaged.


So basically, although he can be killed, he will come back stronger

Yea, that would work the first couple of times but the Dredge are more than just killing machines. As Bob knows well eventually other alternatives would present themselves. I've already figured a way to screw that guy over and if I could figure it out, the Dredge sure as hell would to.


Ostruppens having a seizure in a pm I have with him over why he cant kill those Iron Mongers, I keep telling him having the biggest guns in the universe wont help for shit in this battle he will fight. (truthfully, blowing up the planet might, I mean that's blowing up a fucking planet. Shit dies when that happens)

 

[Jarkov Malachai]

might work
but Dredge are damn strong

Their strength, physically yes, but its irrelevant to their most powerful true strength. It is why I created them/made the Sybil do it. It is why I no longer play as the Foragers Corp, the Hand of the Damned One.

 

[Yesman]

[QUOTE="Jarkov Malachai]Yea, that would work the first couple of times but the Dredge are more than just killing machines. As Bob knows well eventually other alternatives would present themselves. I've already figured a way to screw that guy over and if I could figure it out, the Dredge sure as hell would to.
Ostruppens having a seizure in a pm I have with him over why he cant kill those Iron Mongers, I keep telling him having the biggest guns in the universe wont help for shit in this battle he will fight. (truthfully, blowing up the planet might, I mean that's blowing up a fucking planet. Shit dies when that happens)

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So if I do make a race of whatever these things are going to be, they'll never have a permanent advantage ove the dredge. However, I can totally picture these two having a hunter/hunter rivalry with my things winning one fight and dredges winning the next and so on

 

[Jarkov Malachai]

So if I do make a race of whatever these things are going to be, they'll never have a permanent advantage ove the dredge. However, I can totally picture these two having a hunter/hunter rivalry with my things winning one fight and dredges winning the next and so on

*shrugs shoulders* You can if you want to, but I'd advise against such. Thou has only scratched the tip of the ice berg on the Dredge subject and sharing much with those inanimate blocks of cold harsh ice, its 1/3 easily visible, 2/3 hidden death.


Then again, that would be a most intriguing scenario.

 

[Jarkov Malachai]

[QUOTE="Jarkov Malachai]*shrugs shoulders* You can if you want to, but I'd advise against such. Thou has only scratched the tip of the ice berg on the Dredge subject and sharing much with those inanimate blocks of cold harsh ice, its 1/3 easily visible, 2/3 hidden death.
Then again, that would be a most intriguing scenario.

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Advise against such in the way that you don't have all the information required to make an anti-dredge. There are many factors out there to consider, many things that must be balanced and etc. The Dredge took me almost 2 weeks to create just the bare bones and ive built them up from there.(I had nothing to do all damn summer, sue me) Creating their equal (a balanced equal) would be a significant challenge.


I felt as if I needed to clear that up as that above reply sounded slightly assholish.

 

[AlphaDraco]

You know what, looking at the dredge, I think the Rooktan actually could counter them pretty well. Sure, they are not biologically crazily superior to the dredge, but they do have a few counters to some basic dredge abilities.


Invisibility most likely wouldn't be that effective against the Rooktan. Their electro-reception could sense the change in EM fields as the dredge moved. Plus there is the question on whether the Dredge can actually be invisible to a quad-chromatic species, which allows them to see colors that trichromatic species can't even dream of, so they may be able to see flaws in the Dredge's camo. Male Rooktan reflexs work nearly instanteously on reception of sensory information, so they could probably avoid many of the Dredge's attacks.


However, what is truly the greatest advantage the Rooktan posses is their AI. While the Rooktan cannot change their form to meet up with new Dredge, their AIs can. They can create new drone bodies for themselves to target specific weaknesses of each new Dredge form. Add that to their incredible intelligence, near instant processing time, and the amount of sensor arrays, and the Dredge have someone who can counter them at nearly every point. In addition to that, the Dredge couldn't gain the changes of the AI drones from merging with them, since the drones do not have DNA.

 

[Spacekitty]

Drones would still be inferior to a dredge. Could work if you could make them good enough. The only ones who could actually cause the Dredge some headaches are the Liiku, but only because they have such advanced technology.


You see, the Dredge are in fact the most OP shit ever. They are one of those things a GM would BAN from the RP if it wasn't controlled by Jarkov. he plays them in such a way that does not utilize their full power- on purpose too. If anyone else controlled the Dredge I would say "Nope not happening". But Jarky doesn't abuse them like most would.


The Liiku, are technically too OP as well. But I only use them as a single characters and when I do use their actual nation, it'll be after their failure in the other dimension and right before the leaders of them kill them all. In the end the Liiku kill themselves (its possible to kill them completely) and seed a world with copies of their original form to "start over"


But If I used the Liiku at their full power.... only the Dredge could pose a threat

 

[Jarkov Malachai]

You know what, looking at the dredge, I think the Rooktan actually could counter them pretty well. Sure, they are not biologically crazily superior to the dredge, but they do have a few counters to some basic dredge abilities.
Invisibility most likely wouldn't be that effective against the Rooktan. Their electro-reception could sense the change in EM fields as the dredge moved. Plus there is the question on whether the Dredge can actually be invisible to a quad-chromatic species, which allows them to see colors that trichromatic species can't even dream of, so they may be able to see flaws in the Dredge's camo. Male Rooktan reflexs work nearly instanteously on reception of sensory information, so they could probably avoid many of the Dredge's attacks.


However, what is truly the greatest advantage the Rooktan posses is their AI. While the Rooktan cannot change their form to meet up with new Dredge, their AIs can. They can create new drone bodies for themselves to target specific weaknesses of each new Dredge form. Add that to their incredible intelligence, near instant processing time, and the amount of sensor arrays, and the Dredge have someone who can counter them at nearly every point. In addition to that, the Dredge couldn't gain the changes of the AI drones from merging with them, since the drones do not have DNA.

The Dredge are not invisible though, did I put that in there if so im sorry. True some can be but that's an adaption, most are just damn good at hiding. Reflex speed is important indeed, however there is a difference between being able to act on the information coming to you, like a fist into your face, you could react instantly, but would you be fast enough to avoid it in the first place?


Dredge in close quarters? Forget about, there are to many possible variables to take into account. Unless your an Iron Monger, they like open spaces with much explosions, yes yes explosions.

 

[Spacekitty]

Liiku use Nano blasters to kill dredge- and lots of allies by accident

 

[AlphaDraco]

[QUOTE="Jarkov Malachai]The Dredge are not invisible though, did I put that in there if so im sorry. True some can be but that's an adaption, most are just damn good at hiding. Reflex speed is important indeed, however there is a difference between being able to act on the information coming to you, like a fist into your face, you could react instantly, but would you be fast enough to avoid it in the first place?
Dredge in close quarters? Forget about, there are to many possible variables to take into account. Unless your an Iron Monger, they like open spaces with much explosions, yes yes explosions.

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I would give a number for the Rooktan's reaction movements, but I'm not good with translating speed to a measurable number. I'm better at giving in story examples of their speed than the numbers themselves, but they can dodge a punch to the face if they sense it coming in time.


As for the close combat, it truly depends on the arena. Dark cave or human ship, the Dredge will most likely win. However, in a swamp the Rooktan have the advantage, as well as a Rooktan Ship setting. In fact, it would be quite hard for a Dredge to stowaway on a Rooktan ship thanks to the ship being built for Rooktan physiology and psychology. Rooktan ships don't have air ducts like human ships do, mainly because the Rooktan preferring extremely humid environments, so the Dredge can't do a sneak attack that way unless they can fit through pipes several inches wide that recycle the air. Heck, they probably would not even be able to stay on a Rooktan ship long enough to hide thanks to the ship's AI. They monitor everything on the ship to make sure that nothing breaks and that there are no stowaways, so a Dredge that gets on board would probably be ejected into the vacuum of space.

 

[Yesman]

[QUOTE="Jarkov Malachai]Advise against such in the way that you don't have all the information required to make an anti-dredge. There are many factors out there to consider, many things that must be balanced and etc. The Dredge took me almost 2 weeks to create just the bare bones and ive built them up from there.(I had nothing to do all damn summer, sue me) Creating their equal (a balanced equal) would be a significant challenge.
I felt as if I needed to clear that up as that above reply sounded slightly assholish.

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It's fine, you didn't sound as mean as you think. The thing about a Doomsday-ish character is that I don't really need to make him a fully powered killing machine in the beginning. He could just be a 6', 180 lbs humanoid alien to begin with. It's not until you kill him a couple of times that he actually begins developing abilities to counteract what you killed him with.


I don't know too much about science-y stuff like genomes. Is it okay if I just BS my way through that?