Terrestial Exaulted

[NamelessJoe]

Hello


so i was speaking with a friend about exaulted..... celestial theres like 4 types solar lunar sideral abyssal...


and terrestal one type dragon blooded... thats weak we think there should be other terrestial so maybe a dark brood or fallen(or not so fallen) god may have made his own terrestial exaults.. what simeleraties match the DB is it inhearated? or chosen or what? i just thought i'd ask you guys for your oppionions

 

[Gtroc]

well the power level, would be on par with the DBs. I am speaking dice pool maximums here, or they could be a little lower. with the DBs able manipulate essence slightly better than their other terrestrial exalts. the main thing I see as a problem is, what would be the themes and history of these "lost terrestrials"? and where have they been all this time. did they fight on the side of the gods or primordials? or are they newwer than that?

 

[Quchu]

Extraterristrial DBs!


Maybe they are DBs with their Essence twisted to fit foreign environments, and by that I mean Malfeas or the Underworld and such. Just change the name, how they regain Essence, adjust the effects and you have Terrestrials that aren't really DBs.


...is something I would do. I think DB is kinda... too neutral for some wicked change, and I don't think there would be anything that might create a race of Exalts beside Gaia...

 

[Jukashi]

I think DB is kinda... too neutral for some wicked change, and I don't think there would be anything that might create a race of Exalts beside Gaia...

I think something previously suggested was Terrestrials based on the Autocthonian elements. Another possibility is that, late in the primordial war, one of the beseiged entities saw what Gaia had done and tried to make their own Terrestrials from races which are now Underbrood, which were not numerous enough and ended up being sent down below with the rest of their race.

 

[Persell]

Actually, Abyssal Exalted aren't Celestial Exalted - they're Abyssal Exalted.  But that's a fine point that could lead to a threadjacking.

 

[Fruan]

Extraterristrial DBs!

You might want to check what the word "Celestial" means

 

[Ker'ion]

How about we go with the five base from the Exalted core.


Celestial Level:


1) Solar


2) Lunar


3) Sidereal


4) Abyssal*


5) Akuma


*Or the Unaspected Exalts...


I'm getting to them, I'm getting to them.


Terrestrial Level:


1) Dragon-Blooded


2) Dragon Kings?


3) Dragon-Born?


4) Underworld DBs?


5) Wyld Terrestrials (based on Virtues instead of Elements)?

 

[Persell]

I tend to think of where the Exalted get their powers as the basis for their categorization.  Therefore, I would have it:


Celestial:


Solar


Lunar


Sidereal


Terrestrial:


Dragon-Blooded


Abyssal:


Abyssal


Akuma are anybody, Exalted or God-Blooded or ordinary, who sell themselves to the Yozis for more power.

 

[DarkProphet]

That's how I tend to think of them as well, although Abyssals, power level-wise are roughly on par with Solars, so I suppose one could likewise classify them as Celestial.


As for adding a new terrestrial-level exalt type... I was originally against it, and I'm still not entirely fond of the idea.  (Although if someone wishes to do it and thinks it's a great idea, more power to you, it's just not my cup of tea)


As I was saying... I was originally against it... until I thought for a moment about how the number 5 has such a significance in Creation... and if you count the *original* Exalt-types created by the Gods, then you come up with 4. (Solars, Lunars, Sidereals and DragonBloods)  I'm aware that the Abyssals were created to be the ever-important 5th type... but they weren't (as far as the Gods planned it) part of the picture originally... so wouldn't it be possible that there could have been a 5th Exalt type?  (and keep in mind I'm not including the Autocthonian Exalts as they weren't originally part of the picture either)  


Of course, adding *another* Exalt to an already large collection of potential player character types might only bog things down... I could see there being a 5th original type, and could see it being terrestrial in origin.


As to WHO their patron/matron deity(ies) would be and what, exactly, their role would be... I can't righfully say.  What is left out that the Solars, Lunars, Sidereals and DragonBloods don't cover already? and Who/What could their source deity(ies) be?


Personally I'll keep it as-is since there really isn't a need for another Exalt type, terrestrial or otherwise.

 

[Jukashi]

Well, Autocthon made the Exalted really, so from his point of view there are five types.

 

[uteck]

Technically the Abyssal and Akuma are Solars, just corrupted and did not appear until long after the Usurpation.  So that only makes 3 Celestial types for most of history.


3 Celestial types, 3 major states of being, Yu-Shan, Creation, Underworld.  And each of the 3 is divided into 5, except the Lunars who are now 3, but then are are prone to change and fits their nature.


Since the Tresstrials look to each Dragon as their benefactor, they are essentially 5 different types, but just all of similar power.  


And it can also be this basic difference in the harmony of Celestial and Tresstrial Essences that helped to turn the Exalts against each other.

 

[DarkProphet]

Technically the Abyssal and Akuma are Solars, just corrupted and did not appear until long after the Usurpation.  So that only makes 3 Celestial types for most of history.
3 Celestial types, 3 major states of being, Yu-Shan, Creation, Underworld.  And each of the 3 is divided into 5, except the Lunars who are now 3, but then are are prone to change and fits their nature.


Since the Tresstrials look to each Dragon as their benefactor, they are essentially 5 different types, but just all of similar power.  


And it can also be this basic difference in the harmony of Celestial and Tresstrial Essences that helped to turn the Exalts against each other.

Actually... The Akuma can be of any Exalt type, not just Solars.  The term Akuma, as far as Exalted is concerned, is a name for any Exalt who's turned his/her back on their patron/matron deity and has joined the Yozi's payroll for the lotsa power lotsa fast goodies that switching teams can get them.  and actually, the Akuma were around during the First age, before the Usurption.  (You might be confusing the Akuma with the 50 solar shards that the Yozis (or was it just the Ebon Dragon?) got from the Neverborn in exchange for the knowledge of how to make Abyssals)


If you're going to consider the DragonBlooded as being essentially 5 different Terrestrial Exalt types, just with similar power (using the 5 different Dragons as patron deities)... then using that same logic you should consider Sidereals as essentially being 5 different Celestial Exalt types... it's the same with Sidereals as it is with DragonBlooded... each looks to a different Matron Deity as a benefactor... so by that reasoning there are now 7 Celestial types and 5 Terrestrial types.


Really the only reason that there's 3 Celestial types and 1 terrestrial is that there's no reason for another Terrestrial type exalt... The Dragon Blooded do quite nicely without a need for another... and the magic number 5 that Exalted is so fond of is met with the Abyssal Exalted... with Alchemicals thrown in as a sort-of wild card.


All of that aside... I do sort of like your idea of 3 Celestial types - and the 3 planes of Yu-Shan, Creation and the Underworld (although Malfeas kind of tosses a wrench in the works.. since it's been around as long as the Underworld) and the Terrestrials with the 5 terrestrial elements.... although it doesn't really work, as far as I'm concerned, with the inclusion of Malfeas and the reasoning that you can't consider the DBs to be 5 Exalt types without the same being held true about the Sidereals... which, as I said above, brings the count to 7 and 5... so that ruins the idea of 3:3 Celestial Exaltslanes and 5:5 Terrestrial Exalts:Elements

 

[Haku1]

You know there could have been a 'fifth' type of exalted... only they got nuked by "She Who Lives in Her Name"'s fiery doom. And now... no one remembers them.

 

[Jeppe]

Yu-Shan, Creation, Underworld.

Well, technically speaking, didn't the Underworld spring into existance as a result of the death of the first Neverborn? IIRC, it was the death of something, that weren't suppose to die, which suddenly caused the Underworld to exist. And the Primordials weren't attacked, until all of the Exalted had been created and trained. Thus, by this reasoning, at the time of the Exalts' creation, there were only Yu-Shan and Creation, and your point of 3:3 does not hold.

You know there could have been a 'fifth' type of exalted... only they got nuked by "She Who Lives in Her Name"'s fiery doom. And now... no one remembers them.

This is what I think happened.

 

[Vanman]

You know there could have been a 'fifth' type of exalted... only they got nuked by "She Who Lives in Her Name"'s fiery doom. And now... no one remembers them.

This was kind of my thought as well. Maybe a Primordial, or a servant of a Primordial, saw what was happening with the Exalted in their fight with said Primordials and tried to do the same thing. Or there was a god who was opposed to the Unconquered Sun's plan and, in an effort to help out his/her masters, Exalted his/her own form of what was fighting the gods.


It could be a simple matter that, when the Primordials and their servants were defeated, these new type of Exalts met the same fate as their masters, or were destroyed entirely.


I have a question about that but I'll start another thread, so as not to 'jack this thread.

 

[Jakk Bey]

I sort of like the idea of a loyalist God who stuck by his Primordial Masters, but why would Autocthon teach that God how to make their own Exalt?  


Of course, that God could have been a secret traitor--goes along with all the cool kids, and then springs his boys into the fight, on the other side.  Perhaps that God being analogous to a "lost" planet, the remains of which makes up the asteroid belt--destroyed by a group of Solar and Sidereal assassins, its planet breaking up and shivering into so much spiritual debris, its Spirit servants shriveled, weakened, or destroyed by the destruction of their master.


A Night of Long Knives follows, and the servants of this God are hunted down along with the Primordials, and no quarter is asked or given.


Back in Yu-Shan, the Gods all swear to never utter the bastiche's name ever again, expunge them from the Celestial Records, and a great Sorcery cast over the Creation by Solar Sorcerers to wipe the memory of this God from the Creation, so that it could never be reformed, its name to never be spoken again--and even the Solars who cast the Unweaving of the Name were affected, to make its defeat complete.


The kicker is: a few of this Lost God's servants took a powder early.  Escaped before their treachery could be exposed--perhaps lost in a flux in the Wyld, perhaps even trapped by a foray in the deeps to contact the Underbrood and foul things that creep in the Between places.  


Forgotten by Mortals and Exalts alike, their God Unwoven entirely so not even its name remains, all that they have are their Shards--their brethren' Shards were Unwoven along with their Master--and Forgotten by Fate, these servants' only desire is revenge, and to Speak the Name again, ringing it back into the Creation, allowing their Master to reform around the Lost Name.  Already they work, deep in the dark places, whispering the syllables of the Name amongst the dark things, and one day, they will assemble their brood to bring back their God.


But first they need allies.  Strong allies who will be able to defend the Lost Name while it reforms, and the Primordials That Were, now Yozi and Neverborn, are the Lost Name's only hope...