Superspooks And Batmen VS The Avatars

The Fuzz

Staberinde
Ok, had an idea. Been kicking around for a bit.


All superpowers come from one of two sources, either technological enhancement or elemental gift/enlightenment.


Technological enhancement means your power armour, your cyborgs, your bag of tricks espionage Jason Bourne murdermonsters, your Batmen and Iron Men. This path to power has really been a Thing since a little before WW2. WW2 saw squads of dudes with crude experimental power armour, drug-fuelled hypnotic skills training to turn normal soldiers into crack ninja commandos in a matter of weeks, and a number of other such things, on every side of the war. The groundwork for functional cybernetics came out of some extremely questionable research which was simultaneously developed by the Japanese, the Americans and the Germans.


The Cold War saw the extended use of heavily enhanced government operatives. They cut you up, they put you back together, you spend five or ten years as a cybernetic attack dog and then, if you're lucky enough to make it that long, they decommission you and you retire with an untouchable pension/trust fund, titanium lacing your bones and making you ache in cold weather, and a lifetime prescription for immunosuppressants to stop your body from going into shock and eating itself. Good job, soldier.


Meanwhile, some of that technology made it into, er, the private sector. It was in the late Fifties when the first rich, traumatised madman/genius got his hands on some of the castoffs of the WW2 weaponry systems. With enhanced Cold War materials and miniaturisation technology, and an iron will born of childhood loss, he declared war on the criminals who had destroyed his family. Having laid waste to several organised crime syndicates, he found that talent attracts admirers, and he took his first apprentice...


By the modern day 2020's, clans of Batmen range up and down the east and west coasts of the United States, linked by descendant lines of high tech suit designs and martial arts styles. By common law among the clans, they do not kill, for two reasons: one, it's what separates them from the criminals and renegades they hunt, and two, so long as they do not kill, the police do not make any real effort to apprehend them. In fact, there is a certain degree of cooperation, at the highest levels, and then again, down on the streets.


However, all of this technological savagery has provoked a response. The brutal megadeaths of the 20th century, and decades of nuclear testing in the atmosphere and below the ground drove the elemental essence of the Earth nearly mad. There's nothing resembling a mind in there, but there is a set of primal responses, and the Earth's response to feeling itself come under attack is to generate a defence system. The empowered began to emerge in the late Eighties, but only in truly tiny numbers. It wasn't until the early years of the 2010's that they became visible in real numbers. This is what the empowered are: self contained leylines, each one a walking nexus of elemental power, radiating chi (and ruining the feng shui of any building they enter).


People who survive disasters, who shrug off lightning strikes, escape forest fires, claw their way out of buildings leveled by earthquakes or tsunamis have a slim chance of being changed by the experience, of being touched by roiling strands of elemental power and emerging as a true superhuman. Typically, this has a dual effect. First, it boosts the metabolism and physical capabilities of the person until they go ding, and slip from being at the top of the human scale, to the bottom of the superhuman scale. Second, it grants some type of elemental power to the person. Suddenly, they can control the weather (Air) or throw fireballs (Fire), or something similar.


The sudden emergence of people who can be described as "Captain America, except also an earthbender" made the batmen and the government agencies shit bricks. For the very first time, there are people out there who have superpowers which, from the point of view of everyone else, they did not earn, did not spend years seeking and mastering, and they cannot be trusted.


The batmen, in particular, are bricking it. Having a bulletproof skintight suit which flatters your perfectly toned buttocks and then goes invisible through the marvel of thermoptics, and having a bag of tricks which includes things like miniaturised nightvision goggles, grapnel gun, taser baton and a selection of tranquiliser rounds and smoke bombs makes you terrifying to the Mafia, but it barely manages to level the playing field between you and a dude who is super strong, super fast, and wearing an inch thick layer of rock armour.


The government, however, has sat up and taken notice. They have carried out a few experiments (and somewhere, a few doctors will never sleep at night without crying in guilt and horror) and now, they have a way to induce this empowerment. There are a few drawbacks, though. First off, it costs upwards of ten million for each candidate, and isn't guaranteed to work. The failures have had, on occasion, costly side effects. Simultaneously driving someone to the absolute peak of human physical capability while turning them into a murderous sociopath is regarded as "failure". The other point is that artificial empowerment produces the physical boost, but not the elemental capabilities. Still, far better than nothing, and such an agent can still be issued advanced armour and gear to take fullest advantage of their enhanced physicality.


So, notes on actual limits: Avatars get physically boosted to an incredible degree, either at peak human levels or noticeably superhuman.


In terms of strength, a wimpy Avatar picks up a motorcycle in one hand and moves it to a more convenient parking space. A beefy Avatar bench presses a car.


For agility, a wimpy Avatar juggles champagne flutes. A beefy Avatar runs through a rioting crowd without getting touched.


Toughness-wise, a wimpy Avatar walks off a hefty bare knuckle beating, and has only mild bruises the next day. A beefy Avatar shrugs off a beating with baseball bats and keeps coming.


On top of this tune up, they also pick up an elemental power. Fireballs! Or control of the wind! Or generating minor tsunamis! Or, as previously noted, being an earthbender!


The batmen don't have any inherent power except for being truly exceptional human specimens, and being at least a little batshit insane. Their toys tend towards the gamebreaking when you combine all of them into discrete toolboxes, though. As noted, slimline power armour which is bulletproof, optical camouflage, tiny little flashbangs and gas canisters which pack more punch than you'd expect, etc.


Batmen wounded or critically injured in the line of duty often return to active duty with improved capabilities, due to cybernetic reconstruction. There's only so much that cybernetics can do, though, and extensive reconstruction tends to come with associated health problems.


This being the 2020's, there is somewhat of a cape culture beginning to emerge...
 
Hundreds of batmen, in clans, with their power armour and their police connections and their ninja training.


And, in more recent years, starting to emerge, hundreds of avatars, who range from peak human ability to "Oh fuck he's not going down!"



And small numbers of very expensive government assets, who in some cases combine the physical power of an avatar with the toys, training and connections of the batmen.



What sorts of cultural artifacts do we see, as we move into the 2020's?



I don't feel equipped to guess. Cape culture, I believe you mentioned...






T-shirts. T-shirts and bumper stickers fukken everywhere.


Conspiracy theorists.



Prestige/intimidation by association, "you don't want to fuck with those guys. They're caped up."



Public institutions currying favour for powers. Universities offering avatar students scholarships, with accompanying protests of favouritism and corruption/cashing in.



Impressionable individuals worshipping avatars as, well, avatars.



Police retaining specialist squads who show up to work erry day with a relaxed, macho attitude...hoping not to get the call.



A renewed New Age movement, based on the fact that you literally see people with spiritual element powers, even if they're using those powers to shotput each other through walls.



As police officers move up through the ranks, they quietly learn when not to look too closely into a Thing. That's batman country. Give them your files and let them work.



Lawyers protest this sort of blatant corruption, but it never goes far. You see, the clans have training and skills and weapons....but the real source of their power is their wealth and connections.



Yesss...






New thought:


Each avatar is, as noted, a walking, self contained leyline, dragonline. I already noted that having one in a building destroys the local feng shui.



What happens if someone with some actual education in feng shui/geomancy/surveying/"magic" manages to persuade one to sit down for half an hour in this carefully prepared space while we raise energy and focus?



So what does happen after all the chanting?






A borrowed high? Temporary opening of awareness, so that people can /see/ the leyline, and to their eyes the avatar glows like a motherfucker? Temporary physical boosting, maybe a cleaning out as if they just went through detox?


Maybe if you do it wrong, it fucks you up.



Maybe one particular fuckup went so wrong, you wound up with the avatar of nature's malevolence.






Could be. I thinking that for a lot of folks they're all "Fuck off. Fuck off. No. I'm not putting on a cape. Fuck off. Yes, I have super strength, yes I will demonstrate, by removing you lot from my property. Fuck off and leave me alone."


Corporate sponsorship! Just how profoundly can one person with minor superpowers sell out?



Batmen, on the other hand, are relentlessly focused.



Eat. Train. Sleep. Surveillance. High powered brunch. Review legal situation. Sleep darts. Sleep gas. Sleep...truncheon (sorry boys).



Don't forget to consider the phenomenal impact of justice-by-batman on the public health service.



*crunch*



*smack*



*thud*



Whole lotta homeless guys with no marketable skills who will never walk right.



Oooh, differing philosophies across batman clans. Some clans are all about the kneecaps. Other clans are all about the sleeping gas and quietly supporting retraining opportunities.


You see those half dozen young men and women in sharp suits in that expensive bistro?



Notice how they're all built like Olympians, how their voices are perfectly controlled, how they watch all the corners, but never appear nervous.



Batman conference.



Makes sense.


Rogue clan hitting white-collar and corporate crime?



Yeessssssssss.


Geeky batman clan, who put in sliiightly less combat training, but pour lots of points into Bureaucracy and Computers.



Aye?



What kinds of numbers would you recommend?



For batmen and avatars?


Hmmm...



Batmen sound like they're in the low hundreds. Really gruelling standards.



Avatars maybe in the 100 range, with a smooth decline in numbers from weak to strong, even distribution of elements.



Government superspooks under 50.



Hmm. I didn't have numbers, really, I was thinking that in any large city in the continental US, you might find a couple of avatars, and in a large city with a criminal presence, a couple of batmen. Note on batmen: Unlike Bruce Wayne, they work in pairs. Established batmen train their apprentices, train them to appreciate each other and their shared training/bond.


Makes sense.


Government spooks, mang. 50 sounds appropriate.


Liek, the best of them are both expensive and dangerous to produce.



You have to replicate the permanent physical bosting of an avatar. Their regenerating bodies reject almost all cyberware, you have to built their tools and weapons custom.



When one of them comes to town, they come with a support staff.



Makes sense.


One superhuman combining avatar physical prowess with batman training and tools, supported by an entire operational staff.



Obviously, too, Avatars are a more global presence.


North Korea gets its hands on a high-tier Fire Bender.


Yar.


In terms of capability, I'd think a high end avatar could slap a SWAT team, provided they don't get sniped.



A batman could do the same, but with more emphasis on ninja'ing their support out from under them.



Yeah. Like, remember Arkham Asylum?


Radios jammed. Lights dead. A few members strung from convenient architecture. And then he drops into the middle of them with a flash bang.



Oh, oh!



The clans throw cash towards architectural firms to ensure cities are more accomodating to their antics.



Yes. This.


They've been at it since the sixties.



Batmen hate modernist architecture.



Yess..


Avatars don't have any sort of institutional memory or bond like the clans do. Each avatar stands alone, with whatever friends and support they can get together.


Batmen train their apprentices well. You respect your mentor, and her mentor, and his mentor before him, even when he hits his fifties and retired from direct field ops.



In fact, retired batmen are some of the best resources the clans have.



For training, research, analysis, supervising suit designs and consults.



I would imagine so. Picturing the end of Dark Knight Returns here.


Yup. The public doesn't know that the faces under the masks change every so often.


Government assets are sometimes approved for training under a clan. They are welcomed and respected, but never allowed near sensitive materials. Around ten of the fifty superspook motherfuckers are honorary batmen.



Neat.


Any divided loyalties on that?



They are highly trained. When you absolutely must detain or kill every enemy asset in the building, you send one of them in. And they will never have command rank.





@Grey


 
Presented:


Two female Batmen, and two male earth Avatars.


Xerxes/Marion


Marion is confident and aggressive, but combines these traits with patience, and being a good planner. The fact that most of her plans have a component which involves putting someone in the hospital does not bother her. She is intensely loyal to her mentor and partner in notcrime. Marion is androgynous in build and facial appearance, presenting as female in every day life, but he identifies himself as male while suited up. The Xerxes armour is a rugged, burly powered carapace which effectively doubles his strength, provides a solid sensor suite, and is proof against most civilian issue ammunition. It has various sets of electrical discharge points, meaning that fighting him in close combat is going to hurt. The external features of the suit are modeled like classical Greek armour, but heavier on the matt black. He carries a heavy duty grapnel gun and a hefty selection of gas grenades.


Shikari/Helen


Helen is left handed, an architect and mathematician. Her knuckles are thickly calloused. Short, dark hair forms a mop at the top of a body built like a triathlete. She is relatively recently "graduated", and acts with a great deal of seriousness, tending towards being overly stern, possibly somewhat self-important. She combines a strong ability to plan ahead with a noted sense of when it is time to ditch the plan and improvise. If she has a flaw, it is her tendency to prioritise her own judgement even in cases where pausing to accept advice would be beneficial.


The Shikari armour is a slimline powered carapace, with night vision visor, powered joints, and a layered thermal/optical camouflage effect. She carries a grapnel gun for scaling, in addition to an extendable shock baton styled like a cavalry sabre, and a silent gas pistol loaded with nightmare darts (don't cause unconsciousness, cause paralysis combined with horrifying hallucinations).


Bryan Horner used to be a skinny white guy. These days, he looks like a person who went from being wiry to burly in less than a year. He avoids taking off his shirt in public because the way people react to him being a pillar of rippling muscle makes him uncomfortable. He's Earth element, having survived a building collapse, and manifests broad control over earth, stone, sand and concrete. The further away from him the effect goes, the less precise his control is. His two favourite tactics are to wrap himself in rock armour which moves with him, and generating sandstorms to allow him to quietly slip away. The fact that both of these are fundamentally defensive is a good hint at his general approach to things, he's a pretty quiet kid.


In addition to this, his strength is [on the avatar scale, as above] beefy, his toughness also beefy, and his general agility wimpy.


Gerry Li disappointed his family a bit by never really becoming fluent in Mandarin, like they wanted. He didn't think it was a big deal. He's very eloquent in English, and his verbal snarkiness is backed up by the fact that he's beautiful, all smooth golden skin and straight black hair. Like Bryan, he's Earth element, having been caught in the subway during a gas explosion.


His alterations, though, went the other way. Gerry is all about speed, with his strength being wimpy, his agility being beefy, and his toughness being no more than decent. He makes up for slightly less effective pure physical gifts by having a potent suite of electromagnetic control gifts. His power attenuates rapidly once it goes more than a meter from his body, but that much allows him to pull shards of any magnetic metal, and move them with incredible speed and force, making him capable of covering himself in ersatz power armour, and launching chains and projectiles as if by a rail weapon.


 
So, prospecting for ideas for villains, antagonists, disasters, and conflicts? Pitching NPC's?
 
Voting for Strands to support this.


We have Batmen, so should we try spins on some classic antagonists? Our mutual friend's idea for 'Joker Syndrome' feels like it might be at home here.
 
Also, what do the media call batmen? They don't call them batmen, because this isn't actually DC.


I figure the first, the solitary madman in about the 1940's, would have set the term. Call them Ghosts.
 
Other thought: something resembling a super soldier drug has been cracked. However, while it's effective, no-one said that it was safe....





I'm thinking that a dose of what is variously known as Crunch, Accelerator, Boost, and other names, would cost around ten thousand dollars for a guaranteed 90% pure hit. You shoot it up, you spend several days eating your own body weight in protein and carbohydrates, you drink your body weight again in water, and maybe you don't die. If you make it, you come out the other end instantly boosted to Olympic athlete levels of fitness and strength. Not at the superhuman level of an Avatar or a government super-asset, but enough to instantly make you one of the baddest asses in the neighbourhood....for six months. Once you're on the juice, you have to stay on it. Booster shots every six months will keep you at peak human physical capability, but withdrawal will kill you.


So, what does this mean? It means that rich guys who feel the need for it might juice themselves and go on a permanent 'roid.


It means that crimelords will have a couple of mini-hulks on staff.


It means that desperate junkies might try to use watered down, cut down, semi-poisonous stolen doses to try to get to somewhere better.


Shit's dangerous, yo.


What do the batmen/ghosts think of this?
 
I expect they're not happy, and likely making a coordinated effort to put a stop to it. It might be one of the few things you can reliably get a number of clans to work together on. I'm willing to believe there's a Ghost out there who experimented with a dose, or tried to refine it, too.

Also fancy Warfarming in a bit?
 
Prolonged use of Accelerator can have deleterious effects on mental health, even while its physical effects very slowly improve over time. Someone on their twentieth dose cycle, i.e. ten years of stable use, will have physical ability surpassing anything a baseline human can approach, and may be on par with a true Avatar, but they are also quite likely to be walking a knife edge between stability and sudden, extreme violence. The effects of use over a period longer than ten years can not be described, as there are no cases of any user making it that long before burning out. No confirmed cases. Someone who stabilised, who found a way to stave off the madness and ride the dragon along an infinite path, well. That would be someone to reckon with.
 
Entropy





Bracha Erishael used to hate math. That was before she discovered fractals and found god. Now it's more of a friendly rivalry.


The accelerator under Beersheba was supposed to be completely safe. The lunatics who thought it would create a black hole and swallow the universe were just that, lunatics. They were wrong, fortunately, but so were the scientists laughing at them. Something happened to the weak force, or the strong one, or one of those stupid names that don't tell you that left turns are going to become radioactive once gravity shifts into the visible spectrum. Physics is just applied math, and Bracha hated it all through the Glitch.


No one survived the event, officially. In deeply classified records, even. Total loss, the spooks say. 100% casualty rate. There's a Lekem project going to try to weaponize whatever happened, but first they have to sort out what happened. Bracha knows what happened, but she woke up in free fall, thirty miles above Stalingrad. Yeah, that Stalingrad. It wasn't a nuclear attack; she just shattered a few cobblestones down to the quark level when she hit. I bet Poland would have liked to know that.


Bracha didn't get the hale and hearty she was promised, as an avatar. Her bones are easy to count, and ache when the weather turns, though she's only twenty-five. Probably. The Glitch, you know. Re-entry burned her pretty bad, too, and no regeneration voodoo popped in to bring her hair back, or smooth her skin out again. On the other hand, she hasn't found anything that can kill her yet, and not for want of trying. The first couple of months were terrible. None of that super-strength, or speed, or grace, nothing she would have valued in another life, when she was a dancer. What Bracha got, beyond the worst kind of immortality, was perception. Everything can be broken down, you dig? And she knows where the faults are. Where the principle of rejection can overcome the principle of unity, maybe.


But think about what that's like, knowing with all eight of your senses the inevitable breakdown of everything around you. Seeing where rain can/will/must crumble a new brick wall, hearing the incoherent rambling of a baby's eventual Alzheimer collapse. Imagine smelling decay so advanced that new lichens are evolving just to clean up the mess, every time you happen to be near organic matter. Any except your own fucking indestructible prison-body.


Imagine you can taste every molecule in every breath you take, and all the atoms they could split into, and all the imaginary bullshit particles inside of those, and inside of those, and- And imagine that you can just... make it happen.


You'd have gone "bad", too. Whether the power-madness got you, or you just hoped one of the capes would eventually succeed where you couldn't, you'd do whatever cruel shit you could come up with, and even teach yourself to enjoy it. You'd have to find something to enjoy.
 
Disaster seekers. People who flock to tectonic hotspots, living in earthquake zones, on coasts vulnerable to tsunami, praying for hurricanes and tornadoes. That's the tasteless, but harmless, side of it.


The dangerous element comes with the people who want, no, need, to be in on the creation of more Avatars. These people blow up levees and sabotage subway lines, attempting to stir disasters to life, trying to bring more and avatars into existence. Only a few have been arrested in the act, but their numbers are growing. The idiots who are brought in babble on about the glory and power of it, but more and more of these people are hardcases who keep their mouths shut, wait for their lawyers, and get bailed out by some bottomless well of financial support.


What the hell is happening?


@Silvertongued
 
You know, weirdly enough, I have been heavily researching various forms of Feng Shui recently, albeit for a vastly different purpose.


Some points of clarification:

  • Feng Shui is broad as all fuck. There are various different types, and it is based on not only eastern geomancy, but also astrology, number theory, medicine, and geology. The form which is heavily used in the placement of items and structure in buildings to alter and control the flow of energy within them is known as Flying Star or Xuan Kong Feng Shui, but there are a wealth of others.
  • Feng Shui does not use the Western Classical Elements, instead using the Wu Xing or Five Movements, being Fire, Water, Metal, Earth, and Wood. These five elements function like a cosmic game of rock paper scissors, in that each one feeds into and creates the next, while destroying what comes after that. Each Element is broadly defined not so much as the element itself, but the energies associated with these elements.
  • Feng Shui means Wind-Water, and at its core, is about the movement and flow of Energy. Movement that is balanced and efficient is good, whereas movement that is weak or stagnant, or overtly strong and violent, is bad.


What does all this mean for our setting? Well, it means an Avatar needs to be an entity of balance, or at the very least, one of change. Too much either way, and the power that makes them what they are will fuck them up six ways to Sundays. No quiet life for you Ms Flamethrower, you gotta continue the flow of that energy or it will literally burn you up from the inside out. That goes just as much for the busy-body Mr Electromagnetic over there, 'cause you roll up on empty in that energy tank, you're going to drop dead without a mark on you.


In addition to that, certain locales would wax and wane in energy certain avatars at certain points in the year. In one place, Ms Flamethrower can hurl about fire like there's no tomorrow without being afraid she'll run on empty, whereas in another, she's running lower in the tank as the place is literally draining her strength.


As for the cultural impact? As you've said, the actual Feng Shui industry itself, once something for traditionalist Asia, New Age Hippies, and rich bored Americans, would explode. You'd have "genuine" sites saying that they commune with the Elements, and that resting here will slowly give you a taste of Avatarness, artifacts designed around bringing you "the good chi" and the like, days where the disasters tend happen on purpose to align with the "celestial calender".


It would also give a convenient way to contain an Avatar. Sure, you can wrench metal with your bare hands, but because of the formation and shape of this room, the natural lines of energy you draw from are disrupted, and are leeching your strength from you till you're little more than a regular human being. A human being in the peak of physical health, granted, but now one who no longer benefits from crazy boulder fists or insane regeneration.
 
I have thoughts about this that really belong in a different setting.


Though I am stoked about the idea of a Ghost rigging the geomancy of a place to help take down a dangerous avatar.
 
Thus, it would behove an Avatar to learn some of the principles of essence flow, learn a little bit of acupuncture, feng shui, possibly some form of magical tradition, Eastern or Western, with an underlying truth to it regarding the movement of natural energies. Perhaps they might even study some of Reich's work on orgone. As much for their own health as any other reason, really. Also, the only way for an Avatar to escape such a trap would be to learn how to spot such an arrangement before it can take hold of them and start draining.


On the other side of things, crucial to constructing such a trap is understanding the nature of the specific Avatar whom you are trapping. Avatars 'draw' from the world around them and act as a spring, an upwelling of their own energy, in equal measure. The trick is to sever their connection to the world, while draining the constant flow of their own power. Get them into the room, get them to sit down, keep them talking for a minute or two, wait for it, wait for it.....


For obvious reasons, the Ghost training and education regimen has begun to incorporate such principles. These days, a Ghost must be a detective, martial artist, engineer, computer hacker, EMT, and now also a, for want of a better word, 'magician'.


 
Also, a new question: what can an Avatar do that a sufficiently cybernetically enhanced operative cannot?


The answer is....not much, but they can do it without a support staff and constant maintenance.


Blokes like Adam Jensen (yes, yes, never asked for this, got it, yes, thank you) exist, and in a real, bhalls to the whalls engagement they can match the strongest, fastest Avatars. However, any fight an Avatar walks away from, they can recover from over the weekend. At most, they take a few days off work, lie on the couch, sleep a lot, and within a week or so, barring the loss of limbs or having their entire rib cage shattered or something similarly large scale, they'll be fighting fit.


In comparison, a major conversion cyborg (over 50% body mass and internal systems) is expensive to build, and their combat systems require several hours of maintenance just to compensate for twenty minutes of action. It's not uncommon for such an asset to be deployed from a detachment consisting of two armoured trucks, one to hold the maintenance crew, trauma crew, and emergency spare parts, and the other truck to hold the command section and several non-cybernetically enhanced soldiers for backup. Given a sufficient degree of enhancement, some such assets have their 'civilian' arms and legs, and their combat limbs and interlocking body armour. Their 'civilian clothes' merely contain concealed vibroblades and a couple of one-shot hold out shotguns.


All that aside.....cyborgs are not cheap, to build, maintain, or deploy, but they are reliable in a way that essence-powered operatives are not. In this world, attempting to create Captain America has a 5% chance of creating the Joker....with Captain America's strength, speed, and toughness.
 
Question: If human beings can be infused with the essence of the planet, can so too animals or inanimate objects?
 
Silvertongued said:
Question: If human beings can be infused with the essence of the planet, can so too animals or inanimate objects?
I would suggest that it can only be done with a living thing, and probably only one complex enough that it is sentient. So....yes. You could do it with any sufficiently smart and biologically hardy creature, where 'sufficiently smart' means any creature of dog intelligence or higher, and 'sufficiently hardy' means any organism which can survive the procedure. Many humans do not.


Also, as noted above.....the artificial version of the process is real, and permanent, and produces honest to God superstrength, speed, and toughness/stamina. It does not, however, produce the manipulation of elements and natural forces which characterises a 'trueborn' Avatar.


Also, I lul at the idea of the faces of the doctors involved when they realise that the latest procedure has resulted in what I described above as 'the Joker, but with Captain America's physical stats'.


Also, cyberisation, plus very expensive, carefully monitored, purified, and controlled doses of Accelerator, is how you produce the Winter Soldier.


Hey Silvertongued, Adam Jensen VS Bucky Barnes, throw down. My money is on Jensen.
 
Yeah, but what if animals got caught in these kind of events? Jesus Christ, can you imagine Awakened Panda Bears rampaging across mainland China, the biggest baddest, terrasaurian gator eating its way through Southern United States, a mountainous rhino leveling the majority of central Africa, some god-like Jaguar literally fighting the Drug Wars in Northern South America, and something haunting the seas of the Pacific Ocean? How horrifying.


Also, with regards to super serums creating Jokers, what you do with that is that you put up a bunch of failsafes (Read: Killswitches) situated around the super soldier, and you don't tell them about it. Either solves the problem real quick, or weeds out all but the most insidiously intelligent ones.


 
Oh, and Soldier might put down Jensen, but he'll get away. Jensen'll come back, and eventually he'll win the fight methinks.
 
Yes, Avatar animals, yes, this, more of this.


Was thinking that the first few tests of the procedure were less likely to succeed, and also less militantly controlled against the 'soft' failures. See, a 'hard' failure is one where the subject dies. Tragic, but they just weren't as ready as everyone, including themselves, thought. A 'soft' failure is one where the subject survives the transformation, but comes through with severe mental warping. No-one on the project says it, but they all prefer a hard failure to a soft failure. The joke, you see, is that a hard failure means one immediate funeral. A soft failure means several funerals, but you might not have them all right away.......


These days, it's more controlled, and a little better understood. A single run at the procedure, once you include the selection process for the best candidates, and then the full eighteen month preparation cycle, the psych evals, the medicals, the fitness building, the carefully monitored life style, the drugs, clean food, all of it, plus prepping the facility itself, would cost tens of millions, for about a sixty, seventy percent chance of success. Good odds, says the Department of Defence.


Also, how do we feel about the upper limits of the physical enhancement as described?

In terms of strength, a wimpy Avatar picks up a motorcycle in one hand and moves it to a more convenient parking space. A beefy Avatar bench presses a car.


For agility, a wimpy Avatar juggles champagne flutes, and never breaks one. A beefy Avatar runs through a rioting crowd without getting touched.


Toughness-wise, a wimpy Avatar walks off a hefty bare knuckle beating, and has only mild bruises the next day. A beefy Avatar shrugs off a beating with baseball bats, that's baseball bats plural, and keeps coming.
 
Without going all hard sci-fi on the thread...


Humans are about the toughest, most resilient mammals going. If we can't survive it routinely, the panda is going into systemic shock at the 5% completion mark. But "lesser" creatures, the ones we hate to have near us, they come close. Cockroaches, toads, rats (our closest mammal competition), fungi, the gestalt intellect of an empowered MRSA lineage. These vermin seem to me like the best candidates for non-human avatars, if the sapience requirement is ever relaxed.
 
Quietly writing siege-rats into something.


Also, does that mean you can end up with government superspook K0 squads? One empowered, cyberized dude with his pair cyberized, empowered mutts?
 
Assuming that you don't get one of the kinds of empowerment which comes with the massively enhanced toughness*, you could probably do it. Dogs would always be a riskier bet than humans for the process, but you can breed dogs for it. You can't breed humans for it**.


*In which case their enhanced regeneration would overheal and reject the implants.


** Or can you?



 
Proposition: unlike in either DC or Marvel's settings, I'm more interested in strictly limiting the timeline. What I mean by this is: Superpower emerges in the twentieth century. The Ghosts are functionally clans of techno-ninjas.....but there are no ancient clans of actual ninjas a la the League of Shadows. The Avatars erupt with massive supernatural power which can (to a certain extent) be channeled by using the more practical techniques from some cultural magical traditions, but there are no wizards.


How does the world react to superpower which is genuinely new, and has not been lurking in the shadows for centuries?
 
[QUOTE="The Fuzz]How does the world react to superpower which is genuinely new, and has not been lurking in the shadows for centuries?

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By assuming that they've always been there, and thinking that it explains things like historical heroes, the construction of the pyramids, secret societies that control the world.


Basically, imagine how the discovery of such a thing would rock even a normally stable human being with a mostly average understanding of history and the world. They'll be a little shocked, and might start to wonder what other weirdness is out there, and what else the world is capable of. Now imagine how much a Conspiracy theorist will fucking explode, now that part of their stuff has been "vindicated".


In my estimation, the world will react in the same way that it reacts to something interesting and new; by exploiting it in popular media for money and fame. You know, such as:

  • Movies, television, comic books, ("Shadow War on the Eastern Seaboard, a True Story of Vigilante Heroes")
  • Cult of celebrity ("We interview Avatar Dharma James on their recent move from the Major Leagues to focus on their upcoming single "No Wind but Love". Complete with cheeky pictures of their latest jaunt out on the town with a mysterious lucky lady~!")
  • Action figures, ("Now with kung fu grip and shootable boulders!!!")
  • As you mentioned, sponsorship and cashgrabs ("Feel your inner Fire with new Fire Aspect Coca Cola! Brewed in special geomantic locations, it's guaranteed to help revitalise your Chi! The only drink sponsored by the Red Tyrant herself, Maria Chu!")
  • A host of misinformation, ("Wait, shit, I thought Ghosts weren't allowed to do shit outside of city limits!?" - "Don't Fire Aspect lose most of their powers during the night?" - "Nu-uh, I know for a fact that Earthies can't bend bronze. Something about the funny "leylines" of the metal.")
  • And probably one of my favorite additions to any setting, slang, ("Dude, you gonna get ghosted," "This country used to be a damn sight better before those goddamn VT started popping up," "Now, I'm not saying it was Earthlines, but... it was Earthlines man,")
 

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