Solars - What about this reincarnation business?

Zaramis

Zaramis

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A Solar is chosen because he embodies some principle of one of the castes. however.. it is said that they are reincarnated. Does this mean they are meant to become principles of this castes?


My question is, are solars reincarnated as babies and grow up with a destiny to become a Solar exalted, or


Are solars "reincarnated" by a Solar Essence choosing a suitable body, popping up in a mortal?


If the first option, doesn't that waste a few essences if their lives dont live up to the US's expectations?
 
Every human soul in Creation (if it does not gravitate to the Underworld) reincarnates upon death. The shards of Celestial Exaltation also re-incarnate, in a sense, by returning to Yu-Shan until a new host is found for them.


These two processes are completely separate. When a Solar (for instance) dies, his shard returns to Lytek in heaven, and his soul is reincarnated into a new, unExalted person.


The only Exalts who are destined to exalt from birth are the Sidereals, but even then, they don't actually become exalted until they receive a shard,


-S
 
I believe it's left quite open. A solar Essence is something separate from a higher soul, capable of floating around and attaching to anyone with sufficient destiny who shows the right stuff at the right time. Just because you were a solar in your last life doesn't mean you'll be one again, and not having been a solar doesn't mean you can't. In most cases, Exaltation has nothing to do with which soul is actually in the body, only that soul's Destiny.


However, it is left perfectly open that a particular higher soul could very well always end up being a Solar, or a Lunar or whatever, because that's part of their Destiny. If two souls are destined to always be reborn as twins and always get Exalted together, then that'll happen. Perhaps a particular shard only seeks out particular kinds of heroic mortals, or whatever. It's definetely possible.


Of course, if the exalted essence isn't available for some reason- either because the normal higher soul who takes it hasn't shown themselves worthy enough this time, or because their exalted essence was sealed away or stolen or whatever, then they'll live their life as just another heroic mortal until circumstances change. They got along without an essence before the Exalted were made, after all.
 
Now I thought there was someone who chose who would be exalted, not the shard choosing. Am I wrong here?


Also, this discussion brought up another question in my mind. What happens if a particular solar advances in terms of spiritual purity. Is there another step? I know solars are top of the food chain, but it just seems there should be another step.


Though maybe that is just the materialistic, ladder climbing, American, just do it attitude coming out...
 
DeepFlowingRiver said:
Now I thought there was someone who chose who would be exalted, not the shard choosing. Am I wrong here?
Also, this discussion brought up another question in my mind. What happens if a particular solar advances in terms of spiritual purity. Is there another step? I know solars are top of the food chain, but it just seems there should be another step.


Though maybe that is just the materialistic, ladder climbing, American, just do it attitude coming out...
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There's a great explanation of this question here:


http://exalted.xi.co.nz/wiki/wiki.pl?Thus_Spake_Zaraborgstrom/LunarExaltation


In short, Lytek arranges for the spark of Exaltation to keep doing what it's doing, but in general it's something the spark does.


What other step would you like, and is right for your game?  And if you are not the ST, that your ST will approve?  Those are answers you need to provide.
 
The next step almost seems as though they would become gods in their own right wouldn't it?


I mean how many times can an exalted shard become a solar and not grow in terms of strength and power?
 
Infinity?


It seems that the power of the shards stems from their interaction with a human soul.


-S
 
DeepFlowingRiver said:
The next step almost seems as though they would become gods in their own right wouldn't it?
I mean how many times can an exalted shard become a solar and not grow in terms of strength and power?
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These are the sorts of answers the game (wisely!) leaves up to the ST and players to settle.
 
DeepFlowingRiver said:
The next step almost seems as though they would become gods in their own right wouldn't it?
I mean how many times can an exalted shard become a solar and not grow in terms of strength and power?
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As memesis said, it is up to you.  It would be a fantastic plot to work on as the Solars evolve into something more.  What would have to be thought upon however is whether the mortal's body, within which the shard has become attached, could take this metamorphosis.  I would consider this be an epic-style plot however, but should still have a really personal feel around it.


~FC.
 
There's something about Lytek "trimming back" each shard between incarnations, isn't there?


Regulation to prevent harmful throwbacks? Or oppression of power growth!?


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uh the siderals are BORN with their shard, I think


its just "turned off" when their born.


Kind of like the magical nature of a changeling, or garou in old WoD.


and then a sequence of events "turns it on"
 
uh the siderals are BORN with their shard' date=' I think[/quote']
No, it's just known to the Sidereals from birth who they are. They don't get the shard until later.


-S
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From an astrological point of view, all non-Siddie Exalts-to-be show their potential in the Loom of Fate. However, as it is still in their future, their threads can theoretically be manipulated so that said Exalt-to-be will no longer Exalt.


 A Sidereal, once born, will Exalt (assuming she survives to the destinied age); I don't believe that astrology (even the Siddie kind) can change this, no more than astrology can shift a Celestial's Shard or a Terrestrial's Second Breath once Exaltation occurs.
 
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