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1. When players &/or GMs don't pay attention to simple details in the Lore or people's posts and it creates these stupid inconsistencies you then have to edit or retcon after the fact, when they could've been avoided if everyone had simply bothered to read through things properly.
2. In group RPs, players who refuse to plot anything with anyone and who, when the RP is started and set up specifically so that the opening scene gives all characters a chance at interaction and involvement, deliberately choose to write their characters away from the scene and everyone else.
3. GMs who, if there is a dispute between players in their RP that starts to make things unpleasant and kill the vibe, sit back and watch it kill the RP instead of doing their job, stepping in, and intervening.
I don’t even know why people complain about this but when you’re told “you write too much” for a post. I’ve always seen that as someone feeling inspired and it makes me happy but others complain about it. Is it really a problem if someone wants to write detailed? I’m not gonna tell someone how they should post so why complain when I post the way I want to? I can understand if you want to do short, rapid fire post but then don’t interact with someone who prefers the opposite. It’s no fun for either side
Just my two cents, but I don't think anyone ever claimed that a RPer's insecurities about post length are the responsibility of people who write long posts. Nor that everyone in a RP needs to bend the knee when one person complains. Nor than a GM needs to change the format of their RP when this problem rears its head.Forum RP is a collaborative hobby centered around creative writing. If an individual does not want to read, or has such deep insecurities in regards to folks making larger, grander posts, how is that the problem of the player making the large posts?
I do not see this as something where any insight can be gained or that empathy can be applied to it. How does a situation involving a person who dislikes reading long posts require others to have to "step into their shoes?" If an individual does not like reading long posts, why be involved in a hobby that is all about creative writing and reading? That makes no sense to me at all. Sure, not everyone makes 1000+ word posts, but such posts are part of this hobby and should be expected. I consider it to be rude to tell someone that they post too much. Where is empathy to be had here?Just my two cents, but I don't think anyone ever claimed that a RPer's insecurities about post length are the responsibility of people who write long posts. Nor that everyone in a RP needs to bend the knee when one person complains. Nor than a GM needs to change the format of their RP when this problem rears its head.
Ploegy said they didn't know why people did something, and so a few common reasons were provided to help explain the thought process and maybe shed some insight and empathy.
I feel like saying that folks who struggle with insecurity should just cut out the hobby as a whole is maybe a bit extreme. I don't disparage any GM for setting boundaries and booting someone when they aren't taking things well - I agree that there are right and wrong ways to handle that insecurity - but a lot of people are still learning how to regulate their emotions. A lot of people will always struggle with it. Booting from a RP? Okay, reasonable. Telling them to leave the hobby as a whole? Idk. That seems far. These hobbies are often instrumental in helping people learn how to self-regulate, which can take years.
Sometimes it's worth it to make mistakes, stick around, and improve.
I do not see this as something where any insight can be gained or that empathy can be applied to it. How does a situation involving a person who dislikes reading long posts require others to have to "step into their shoes?" If an individual does not like reading long posts, why be involved in a hobby that is all about creative writing and reading? That makes no sense to me at all. Sure, not everyone makes 1000+ word posts, but such posts are part of this hobby and should be expected. I consider it to be rude to tell someone that they post too much. Where is empathy to be had here?
I can understand some shyness and insecurities, and making a genuine effort to improve, and that is no problem. Good on them for trying to overcome it! If that insecurity is so bad that someone feels the need to tell another RPer that their posts are too big and it kills their desire to continue RPing, then that's when I start to think that perhaps the individual should look into themselves and determine whether or not this hobby really is for them, and if the toll on their mental well-being is worth it. I see it as no different than believing that someone who flies into a violent rage every time they lose in an online video game should stop playing those video games. Not every hobby is meant for everyone. That's just reality.
All right, I'll bite.Point blank, I disagree with this in the strongest and most fervent of ways.
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One only needs to look as far as the Site Rules—the doctrine by which the site culture is built upon—to see that the sentiment that a significant portion of a community or those interested in a hobby should just accept it isn't for them due to a difference of boundaries or standards does not support the very foundation by which this site was built and continues to grow upon.
No one member of this community sets the standards.
There are rules and hard lines, such as that for e-RP, but there is no guiding principle that would ever state "you are not good enough" for the entirety of the site.
You may be a GM that would inform a player that if the posts as-is are too long, they may need to leave. And, this is fine. In fact, I agree that this is course of action to take. Why? Because I am that GM, too. Because I have done this exact thing time and time again. Because I have told players that hated how over-developed my game structure and/or world lore is that my game and its style may simply not be for them.
On the flipside, if you go into a game writing ten paragraphs while others write one-liners, you will likely either be ignored entirely or drive away the other players. In fact, it would be perfectly reasonable for the GM of that game to request you match post-length or just leave the game. Because in that scenario, just as the former player was not meant for your game or mine, you would not be meant for that one.
You do not set the expectations for every game. You do not set the expectations for the community. You do not get to draw the line and disparage people from the community claiming to know of some reality where they don't fit in.
That is my pet peeve here. People so bold, ignorant, and audacious to claim that this hobby isn't for others merely because they don't fit into some mold.
You're right that folks need to read the room before joining an RP. Where you're wrong is that there is no place for those that a want room with lower expectations and standards. This hobby is for them and there are means to both make room for them and co-exist, even if they don't game together.
I preach this like gospel: every player and every GM should clearly and politely outline their expectations from what is ideal, what is acceptable, what they can compromise on, and what is a deal-breaker. In fact, I said it before in this very thread. What we shouldn't do is seek to ostracize, degrade, or excise those whose expectations and boundaries differ from our own. They have a right to enjoy this hobby just as much as anyone else.
This site has tens of thousands of users and rarely dips below two thousand active users at any time. It grew to that size and became the single largest roleplaying site on the internet due to being a safe haven and its staunch stance on inclusivity. There may be tens of thousands of players I am not compatible with on this site, but I still believe they have a right to be here and enjoy the hobby how they enjoy it. I care about them, I know the staff cares about its users, and while there may be fringe cases where perhaps this online medium truly is not for someone, I find it absolutely preposterous to claim this hobby isn't for someone based on their boundaries, trauma, or insecurities.
In short, if you lack empathy, that's your problem.
All right, I'll bite.
I never claimed that if people do not meet particular standards that they should be considered "not good enough," and "don't fit into a some mold," and need to leave. I did not say that at all. What I actually said is that if a hobby negatively affects your mental health, such as being so insecure that long posts upsets a person and kills their desire to continue in a game, then you should do some self-reflection and decide if this hobby is a good fit for yourself. What I actually said is that if you hate reading long posts to the point that you will outright tell another RPer something along the lines of "TLDR," then I am going to wonder why you are in a hobby that is about READING. That's like joining an anime club, then complaining that you dislike animation or shows with long on-going plotlines--You joined an anime club! Empathy is the ability to understand and share the feelings of another person. Of course I won't have empathy for that person in this type of situation. Where's the "empathy" for the person who put their time and effort into making such long, detailed posts only to be told that they write too much and their posts weren't read? Refusing to read long posts is simply laziness, which is no problem at all if that person joins a game that encourages shorter posts, but it certainly does not call for empathy or insight.
I will never advocate for bullying people out of a hobby, but I am definitely going to look at that individual and go, "Huuuuh?"
We already agree that people need to look through RP threads to make sure they are a good fit. If people who prefer short posts get together and make a game, and they're happy, good on them. If someone who wants 1000+ words per post joins a RP that is fast-paced and full of players that prefer one-liners, then I'd say that person should find another game. I've already stated such before, we agree on this matter, so I fail to see the problem here.
My peeve is the inability of some people to take personal responsibility for their own well-being and experiences, and putting their problems on the group. Expecting people to use their own discretion, and to recognize their own issues and not make them the problem of other people, is not a lack of empathy. I've said before that I have personal issues that keep me from playing TTRPGs. Those are my issues, not that of the other players. I've had to do some self-reflection and say to myself, "Okay, as much as I really want to be part of this hobby, it is not good for me, and it is unfair for me to dump my issues on other people. I cannot be a part of this hobby." That is called maturity, and having that expectation of maturity is not breaking the goal of diversity and inclusivity. The idea that a person telling another player "TLDR," and expecting the Long-Post RPer to "step into the shoes" of that person and empathize with them, is absurd to me, especially since that supposed empathy does not appear to be reciprocated.
I fully agree with this!These are like typical things that someone has probably mentioned but they still get me going so shush
One liners. One liners. One liners. ONE LINERS. These things are the very bane of my existence. I can understand when your character cannot do much and you literally cannot respond with anything else but I have been in one too many an rp where I am just carrying the entire interaction and getting the other character to react more outrageously and with more lines by doing crazy things that are terribly ooc.
Then there's shy/reserved/'blank' characters. You can do these characters well and in a very interesting manner, don't get me wrong. But a lot of people just write bland pieces of paper. Like she stuttered and hid in the corner and didn’t do anything else...like seriously? She doesn't do anything else? Also, these characters are usually weird caricatures of shy people. I have shy friends! They don't act like this. Also you don't have to write apathetic people as bland people!! If you're apathetic, you're probably somewhat if not very aggressive/violent, that's like actual psychology. If you never react to anything, you're probably severely depressed!! If your character is a psychopath/ASPD(First of all, do actual research on this and try to talk to someone with ASPD), they probably have some sort of goal. There is no completely bland or blank human being. Characters with few emotional reactions or apathy or ASPD can still be incredibly interesting characters and it hurts me that so many people are so uncreative with this archetype and just make a character that doesn't react to anything.
Then the person who attempts to write their characters into the history of the world/become more powerful than the already established most powerful character. Like I literally had someone come into a vampire rp I used to run and literally try to become as powerful, if not more than the literal oldest vampire who ruled the entire city the rp was set in. Like you can have powerful characters and you are more than welcome to try and usurp my characters and steal their power but don't just try and be like "Oh I'm the mafia boss around here so therefore I should be just as powerful as your character if not more even though I have not asked you about this or red any of the hard work that would have gotten my character to this point." Also please usurp if you have at least writing on my level. Like I'd appreciate it if the guy becoming the new leader in the rp has like decent dialogue.
This! I have seen it done very well, but it's so rare, it's a bit of a red flag for me. I'm not being arrogant, I am far from a perfect writer but I at least put in effort. in my experience, most people seem to use this trope as an excuse to be lazy, as they don't really have to write or contribute anything.Then there's shy/reserved/'blank' characters. You can do these characters well and in a very interesting manner, don't get me wrong. But a lot of people just write bland pieces of paper.
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