Grim Wraithe Stjerna
The Víkíngr, reaver of the sea, hunter of Pirates.
Hmmmm.... Interesting idea. I think for that angle someone else should be the handler that way there could be genuine character response.
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HK Fifty
Jedi Historian
I don't know if that would exactly work out from a logistics standpoint , though. Just one channel for an entire order's (there's got to be thousands of Jedi at the very least) worth of secret/off-the-records communications would be chaos. Imagine an open channel during a large-scale battle.. except instead of yelling about the state of the battlefield and such , everyone is trying to communicate sensitive and important findings. It would be a logistics nightmare , and only make it to where people like Alashar and Costa can't function effectively. They'd have to consistently wait on each other , or not be able to focus as well because they're hearing something entirely unrelated. There'd have to be at least 10-20 of these Jedi Secure Channels , even if people like Alashar and Costa are rare among the Jedi. So personally , I don't think that's possible that they're on the same exact channel and able to hear each other. (That , and there's quite a difference between Spies and Shadows to begin with.. why would the two have the same channel?)
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TommyGun15
Teh Scawyest Wulf
Proletariat
Hater
Read world war Z. Instant battlefield communication on one channel does not go well.
Grim Wraithe Stjerna
The Víkíngr, reaver of the sea, hunter of Pirates.
So the difference between the two:
A Jedi Shadow was a Jedi Sentinel who had pursued a unique focus of training. Working directly under the Council of First Knowledge, Shadows were sent to destroy anything and everything connected with the Sith and their followers.
While a sentinel blended physical combat and Force techniques, along with a pursuit of non-combat related skills. They sought out information and actively tried to stop the dark side.
While they possessed considerable combat skills and had somewhat extensive knowledge of the Force, Sentinels blended both schools of teaching and amplified them with a series of non-Force skills, such as in the fields of security, computers, stealth techniques, demolitions, repair or medicine. These skills tended to take the forefront in their middle-road approach to problems; while a Guardian might bash down a locked door and a Consular simply knock, a Sentinel would instead use equipment available or ingenuity to pick the lock.
A Jedi Shadow was a Jedi Sentinel who had pursued a unique focus of training. Working directly under the Council of First Knowledge, Shadows were sent to destroy anything and everything connected with the Sith and their followers.
While a sentinel blended physical combat and Force techniques, along with a pursuit of non-combat related skills. They sought out information and actively tried to stop the dark side.
While they possessed considerable combat skills and had somewhat extensive knowledge of the Force, Sentinels blended both schools of teaching and amplified them with a series of non-Force skills, such as in the fields of security, computers, stealth techniques, demolitions, repair or medicine. These skills tended to take the forefront in their middle-road approach to problems; while a Guardian might bash down a locked door and a Consular simply knock, a Sentinel would instead use equipment available or ingenuity to pick the lock.
TommyGun15
Teh Scawyest Wulf
I've read it twice. : )
Ok, so the Shadows are like the Jedi version of the Spanish inquisition?
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Grim Wraithe Stjerna
The Víkíngr, reaver of the sea, hunter of Pirates.
To an extent yes. I'm sure HK can weigh in on this much more in depth. But basically Sentinels find and root out a problem and solve it, while Shadows just end problems.
HK Fifty
Jedi Historian
Shadows are very different from spies. Spies blend in to expose the Dark Side or inform on Sith plans so better Jedi can come and take care of it. Shadows travel the galaxy looking for the Dark Side wherever they can find it , and go in with an ignited lightsaber to thoroughly destroy it. Quite frequently they'll be sent to recover or destroy fallen Jedi when some kind of war isn't going on (like Alashar's been doing) , or sometimes they'll be sent after the next budding Dark-Side cult or much more commonly stashes of old Sith knowledge in forgotten temples. Now , that's not to say they can't be somewhat subtle.. but a Shadow trying to blend in like a spy would be caught in an instant and killed , or else have to light saber their way out of whatever situation they were in. Shadows are quite honestly closer to Guardians than they are actual Sentinels , but since they're more balanced with their powers and lightsaber skills they still count as Sentinels. Just imagine someone like Alashar trying to be a spy. Seriously , it's almost comical. And while not all Shadows are as.. orthodox as she is , they're definitely not going to be tolerating being around so many Sith without being allowed to start destroying things.
Sort of? The Shadows are closer to Knights Templar honestly , running around to places they already know Dark Side things are and screaming holy things while beheading people. The Spanish inquisition is more 'IS this stuff evil?' (Also , them being torture mad and harshly judgemental is likely an invention of protestants looking to demonize the papacy to begin with - in reality they were likely more a religious inquiry court than anything). Though they do quite a bit of inquiry and information gathering work to , most of the visible stuff is exactly what I said up there. So probably more like actual , medieval crusaders.
Sort of? The Shadows are closer to Knights Templar honestly , running around to places they already know Dark Side things are and screaming holy things while beheading people. The Spanish inquisition is more 'IS this stuff evil?' (Also , them being torture mad and harshly judgemental is likely an invention of protestants looking to demonize the papacy to begin with - in reality they were likely more a religious inquiry court than anything). Though they do quite a bit of inquiry and information gathering work to , most of the visible stuff is exactly what I said up there. So probably more like actual , medieval crusaders.
TommyGun15
Teh Scawyest Wulf
Oh, ok. Now I get it.
Also, I don't know why, but that comic is hilarious. : )
I think the funniest panel is the one where he's "jumping out the window", but it looks like he's just tumbling headfirst through the glass.
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HK Fifty
Jedi Historian
It's supposed to be hilarious! It's a joke about the Crusades and how most of Europe tended to go.. basically insane every time the Saracens returned.
That's also how I imagine a lot of the few pre-existing Shadows reacted when the Sith returned in 3681 (Alashar was all of 5 then , so she had really no idea what was happening and had only been part of the Jedi Order for 2 years on top of that). Headfirst through the glass and all!
Wintermute
Cyber-cowboy
I must say, the inquisition was pretty damn nasty. I won't go into detail, but as a Spaniard (and not a protestant), I can say that the Spanish inquisition didn't just go around inquiring if you were catholic or not. But that's my two cents because honestly I have no idea what we're talking about.
HK Fifty
Jedi Historian
I'm not disputing that they were nasty.. I'm saying that they've been demonized by later generations. They certainly did kill people , but they didn't kill as many as popular culture would have one believe. For the most part it's believed by many Historians of the modern era that they most commonly went after those that converted to Catholicism from Islam or Judaism , to make sure they truly were Catholic and not continuing to practice their previous beliefs and customs.
Though I do like that you care enough for History to comment! As a Historian , that's something I quite enjoy seeing.
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Wintermute
Cyber-cowboy
While I'm not a historian myself, I do dabble in it now and then, since my mother is a history teacher. You've sparked my curiosity now and I'm going to have to investigate further, but I have a feeling you're right.
Grim Wraithe Stjerna
The Víkíngr, reaver of the sea, hunter of Pirates.
Ok, so back to the topic at hand (though the inquisition is a fascinating diversion), should I play the anon Jedi counsel?
Or would someone else like to step in?
I'm willing, I just hadn't planned on being the entire counsel.
Or would someone else like to step in?
I'm willing, I just hadn't planned on being the entire counsel.
HK Fifty
Jedi Historian
Ok, so back to the topic at hand (though the inquisition is a fascinating diversion), should I play the anon Jedi counsel?
Or would someone else like to step in?
I'm willing, I just hadn't planned on being the entire counsel.
I'll have to think about it , but I may decide to do this one. Perhaps. I intent to post tomorrow , so I'll just have to see if a good NPC Council-type strikes me (the main reason I wanted one not controlled by me for Alashar to talk to is because I'd like to have an important interaction like that not be fully written by me). Warning , if it does it's 99.9% likely it'll be a Historian. That's just how I operate.
Also , apologies for being so slow with posts as of late. I'm going to try to pick it back up to the 'at least within a day and a half' thing again , or at the very least quicker than it has been. Writer's block has been a thorn in my side lately , heh..
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sheesh
it's all good
It's okay HK, we all have those moments.
sheesh
it's all good
What's this about site moves?
TommyGun15
Teh Scawyest Wulf
Just the site doing some technical changes. It'll be down a day or two, then back up again.
HK Fifty
Jedi Historian
Sorry @TommyGun15 , but by the time I was done typing up the rest of that post I kind of lost the ideas I had for a council member NPC.
TommyGun15
Teh Scawyest Wulf
It's cool. I still need to post with Iblen.
Grim Wraithe Stjerna
The Víkíngr, reaver of the sea, hunter of Pirates.
@TommyGun15 I should be able to get a council member post up for you when I post again. Which may be today but definitely Monday.
HK Fifty
Jedi Historian
This is so , so very relevant to my general situation right now. And it's also so very true in general as well , honestly. We've all been there , right? (Or do I have just a little of HK-50-09's narcissism?)
Proletariat
Hater
Could atali fit on HK's shoulder?
folclor
Resident Cripple
Fits on the shoulder of the thing holding him, more like.
Proletariat
Hater
Okey, I just needed to know that detail for how HK will respond