Lord Logis Sondra Kerdos

[Cashdash25]

Elitist and straw man. I keep hearing that. Can I have an example? Again, if I offended with my opinions on things I do wish to convey my apologies. 

Sure, for starters you've got this post;

I think you are referencing too much of the OVERTHETOP40KSHOOTYGRIMDARKMEMES 40k universe

Which escalated the discussion from friendly disagreement to an argument, which was preceded by the this one;

Titanicus, Dan Abnett


Mechanicum, Neil McGraham 


Both openly portray members of the Admech Cult living vastly different religious lives than the Imperium. In Titanicus it goes so far to treat Admech as a non human species in a sense. It's openly acknowledged that Mars portrays the Emperor as an Aspect of the Omnissiah. The Admech though does not follow Imperial Creed. http://warhammer40k.wikia.com/wiki/Cult_Mechanicus They have their own religion known as the Cult Mechanicus and follow a different dogma. It's imperial propoganda that the admech is an 'Imperial' Organization when in truth it is not. The Ruling caste of the Admech are highly aware of this and will often debate it in private. The Orthodoxy of the Admech is important to them, but not in a sense of 'heresy' as imperials see it. Just the mysteries and warnings alone in Admech Creed are 'heretical' to Imperials. 


I am not at all referencing hereteks or the Dark Mechanicus. There was nearly an all out war on a planet when information was divulged that the Emperor was not the Omnissiah and that information alone caused all Admech to retreat to themselves to sort it out while hinging on war with the Imperium. Only saner heads prevailed and a 'lie' was released to keep the population secure while fighting a war with Dark mechanicus forces. 

Which makes a number of points that have nothing to do with the argument as @Melissia already pointed out.


You also have this post;

Just look at the Inquisition alone, they have so many sects of belief it's incredible they don't go to war. 

Which ignores the massive number of civil wars that the Imperium and Inquisition have gone through in the past.


This one;

I mean, a Genetor and a Skitarii will have VASTLY different views on the Cult Mechanicus. Are you whitewashing the works of canon to further your viewpoint? There are literal scenes of Admech discussing religious differences. 


I have my justification. I think it comes down your viewpoint of 40k lite vs my view of 40k 

Which accuses us of "whitewashing" the two books you've used as a source, of which the events of one are 11 million years old and take place before the extreme dogmatization that followed the horus heresy and the numerous other civil wars that have cropped up between different factions in the Admech over disagreements on dogma that further extremized the Cult, which just leave Titanicus, which, and no offense to Dan Abnett here, is not about the theological differences between various sects of the Admech, it's about 60 story tall robots shooting at each other. And let's not forget the part where the population of Orestes riots over the revelation about the Emperor and the Omnissiah not being the same, which is being spread by a conspiracy within the ranks of the Admech for the purpose of one character trying to seize power, who may or may not have manipulated the data that caused the schism in the first place.


Which rather beautifully illustrates why the Admech doesn't like religious debate all that much.


And as @admiral9 notes, these debates general don't take place within galactic spitting distance of Terra itself, as enforcement of dogma is highest near the center of the Imperium.


And finally no one got upset because your opinion on the Admech differed from theirs, people got irritated because you tried to claim that we just didn't know as much about 40k as you while you were busily ignoring multiple aspects of canon, namely the massive amount of infighting that plagues all aspects of the Imperium and the brutal ways in which the Admech deals with anyone who goes against the dogma.

 

[Teh Frixz]

Actually since I was working I couldn't respond in time to your accusations of the ignorance of the 'wars' between the inquisitors. I'm well aware of that. 


But so what it basically comes down to is you got upset over me stating that quite possibly someone out there could have a different interpretation than another In an ambiguous setting to begin with? That my interpretation is different in that I don't agree with your black and white version of the Admech? I don't buy the rigid version of the Admech. Guess we will have to agree to disagree for the greater peace  

 

[Cashdash25]

I hasten to add that the character isn't unreasonable, it's mainly the proximity to Terra and the relatively high ranking position that would indicate that the character ought to be vastly more dogmatic and fanatical than they are, while also not leaning far enough on the heretical side to make it truly interesting that turns us, well me at least, off.

 

[Teh Frixz]

Oh yeah, I did want to mention that! I thought Necromunda was in Obscura and considering the state of Obscura I did think the amount of assumed Imperial control was quite less. 

 

[admiral9]

No one is offended, offense and criticism are not one and the same, there was/is a disagreement about the dogma of the members of the mechanicum and points can be brought up to support either idea.
Now that the location of necromunda has been clarified to you I hope you can understand why we are perplexed about some of the unlikely things happening.


Namely the fact that they didn't even know who she was and they didn't open an investigation to find out who she was and if she would be a subversive element, the imperium is just not a place where "my own personal believes" is an argument that you can use to deflect judgement cause if that believe varies from the standard in a place where the standard is actively enforced, like the segmentum solar, then odds are you won't just get away with some questions, more like random assassin pops up and kills you so you can be replaced with a hardline conservative that doesn't carry a believe that in essense the treaty of mars was based on false pretenses.

 

[Bone2pick]

In fairness to Melissia, she's not the one who responded to honest criticism of her character sheet with elitist putdowns and strawman arguments, which tends to rather sour the mood of a discussion.

In fairness to Teh Frixz, she's the one who had a team of people criticising her character immediately after it had been posted.  When your first interactions with folks in a roleplay are critical dogpiling, it can also sour the mood.  


Melissia then escalated the conversation to the point where it was openly hostile, then never returned to amend/deescalate the situation.  


Here's the takeaway folks, I'm not going to do this again.  If I have a player(s) that I don't trust to maintain an affable presence with other players, they'll be removed.  And if someone feels they offered criticsm to someone and it was then disrespected, either bring that to my attention privately or disengage, because burning up a thread with insults and comebacks isn't acceptable.  If any or all of what I just stated feels unfair, then this roleplay is simply a bad fit for you.